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[BastionOfSanity]

As a student at a Catholic school, I'm obviously faced with "GOD GOD GOD ZOMG IT'S GOD" wherever I go. We have 2 semesters of Religious Studies classes every year. They've got me thinking, and I believe I have developed some unique religious ideas. I was wondering the views on these beliefs by the toher religious/anti-religious, if there is already a "Religion" or set of beliefs similar to this, and ya know, just what people think of them in general, and debate on the validity of my points.

1. God is existance. Everything that is, is God. Part of God. God is what is. This is a commonly accepted belief amongst religious scholars. God is existance, God does not exist. (This belief, as I've stated, ain't so unique.)

2.Free Will. When God makes man "in His image" he, as my teachers have told me, is giving man the power to create and destroy, the power of free will. This, in my belief, cancels out any notions of "human nature," things humans are naturally expected to do. Because we have total free will, we can make descisions however we want, influenced only by our environment, our peers, and what's been in-grained into our heads from those around us. There is no "natural descision." There may be a "best descision" that everyone usually coems to, because it is an easy way to do it, and easy to think of. But it's not "natural." We can easily do it by ourselves.

3.f**k the Doctrine. f**k the laws. Because of the above proposed free will, it is clear that the idea of "religious laws" is unthinkable. Of course, this can get technical. The idea of a natural law set up by God is flawed, because of the proposed free nature. But, this can vary depending upon your beliefs of what exactly a law is. laws, often created by humans, are voluntary. You can break a law, easily. It is then thought that perhaps, these laws are just guidelines, to live a good life, to create a utopian society. We can adhere to them, and them, we can be happy. But if we don't, God won't do anything. God won't send a hurricaine into LA because there's "too many God damned Gays." God doesn't care.

4.God cannot prevent human suffering. God cannot cause it. This is self-explanatory. Since God gave us free-will, God cannot interfere in the realm of humanity. "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" "I was never helping you in the first place."

5.The only thing God controls is nature. Nature, science, etc. etc. was not granted free will by God, to the furthest extent of my knowledge. Therefore, nature was set up by God. Of coruse, since God is transcendent, he does not feel the effects of time or space. This raises an issue. Does God control nature at every point in time? He can't, can he? He doesn't feel time. This again negates the idea that God is doing something in nature to "kill the gays" or whatever. Perhaps, then, when God made creation he gave it a set of instructions, called "science" by humans. This runs it's natural course. This is truly God's plan. He has none for humans, but nature, it's been planned. We're just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

6. The Prophets. The prophets were humans God talked to, and suggested spread his teaching. God cannot make us do anything. The words spoken by prophets were either:
a. bulls**t made up by humans for power.
b. God's "guidelines" for utopia.

7. Christ. No, thanks. The idea of a savior, that is of God, negates the idea that God does not physically interfere with the course of humanity.

8. The "Kingdom of God" is within us. It is a common theme in the Gospels that Jesus' disciples are, well, idiots. They have no clue what's going on. They do not understand Jesus, they view him as the ancient Jewish idea of a messiah, as a warrior-political savior. This, Jesus insists over and over, is wrong. But, perhaps Jesus was, like the disciples, also wrong. He did not understand the Kingdom of God, either. This is shown clearly when he shouts his last words "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?!" He doesn't even beleive his own views that the annointed one must suffer and die. I propose, as the title of this section suggests, that the Kingdom of God is within us. Jesus' healing? We can all do that. It is shown that, too, when the disciples heal. It is the idea that if you are faithful, moral, and good, you ahve these "healing abilities." You have the abiltiy to live out heaven by following the guidelines. Jesus isn't going to come back and wtfpwn all of the infidels to save us all. It is up to us to create the Kingdom of Heaven, by voluntarily following The 10 Guidelines.

9. The Afterlife. There is little to no legitamite ideas pointing to what exactly the afterlife is like, or if there is one at all. What is important, then, is our conduct on earth, in life.

10. Doctrine, continued. There is also this problem with the Catholic church and others: Where the HELL do they get most of their doctrine? Cultural traditions, political laws, poor interpretation of scripture, and s**t pulled out of their collective asses. Most of this man-made doctrine cannot be remotely trusted, and is usually inspired by bigotous church leaders. This, in conclusion, shows there should be no church. Who says your views of God are right? Does going to a church REALLY make God favor you? Why are most Catholic priests so uneducated in even the true Catholic view of God?
A blasphemy a day keeps the doctrine away!

11.Prayer. Again, God won't interfere. Praying to Him, begging for something, will not do ANYTHING.

So, in brief, the 11 points of bastionofsanityism state simply that God gave us free will, and He therefore does not interfere. The only thing in "God's plan" is nature, which only effects us when we are in certain situations not anticipated, or a better word may be planned, by God.

[wormwood]

I think you might like Kabbalah (cabala) 8:) I would say there is a 70-80% similarity (as far as the issues discussed).

[Duchifas]

wormwood wrote: I think you might like Kabbalah (cabala) 8:) I would say there is a 70-80% similarity (as far as the issues discussed).

:lol:

[perdidochas]

BastionOfSanity wrote:
11.Prayer. Again, God won't interfere. Praying to Him, begging for something, will not do ANYTHING.

Well, yes and no. First, part of the whole thing is getting to a mature prayer state. Asking God for something external IS futile, for the most part. yes, occasionally He may answer, but that's few and far between. Hopefully, after doing this for years, you realize the truth, whcih is the appropriate form of prayer is thanksgiving and giving up your will for specific things to "what's best." I used to pray for trivial things like getting a date with a certain woman, or a raise, etc. After a while, I realized that wasnt the thing to do, and I stuck to praying for thanksgiving, and for "God's will to be done and for assistance in accepting it."


BastionOfSanity wrote: So, in brief, the 11 points of bastionofsanityism state simply that God gave us free will, and He therefore does not interfere. The only thing in "God's plan" is nature, which only effects us when we are in certain situations not anticipated, or a better word may be planned, by God.

I have a different point of view. I don't believe God controls nature often. I think He leaves it up to the processes He set up. I think I'm even more free will on nature than you are.

I am, however, a devout Catholic. In terms of the doctrine, etc., it makes more sense than anything else I've seen, and is based on not only scripture but also on knowledge handed down. From reading some of the early church fathers, I concluded that Catholics are closest to the first Christians.

[Tracker]

Why would your 'god' discriminate 'free-will' to only certain living entities and not others? The idea that a 'god' CONTROLS 'nature' is illogical, IMHO. Either all is controlled by a PuppetMaster, or nothing is.

As for 'free-will,' that is an overly-intellectualized sound-bite because it's disproven with one word: "gender."

bastionofsanity wrote: 9. The Afterlife. There is little to no legitamite ideas pointing to what exactly the afterlife is like, or if there is one at all. What is important, then, is our conduct on earth, in life.

Got that correct. Life takes real physical ACTS ... not wishful thinking or babbling at the air. Seems to me there's a book titled after it, "ACTS," demonstrative that the horrid and inactivity is NOT the way to live.

bastionofsanity wrote: Where the HELL do they get most of their doctrine?

Throughout the ages, in order to be more 'inclusive,' rituals and ceremonies were included by the Church in order to assist the 'audience' in transitioning to the ROOT -- the MESSAGE -- because the rituals and ceremonies are IRRELEVANT, and exist without bearing on the ROOT: the EquationOfLife. These rituals and ceremonies were never meant to be HOLY-i-DAYS, but have in fact punched holes in the WHOLE (think about it ... and visit the Vaticans website, "Holy-See," and that's where the meaning comes from -- of 'holy' -- because without guidance, punching wholes in the whole-message of "negativePositive-ism is the formula of hate so don't live that way or holocaust results' is COMMON. That's what the ancient stories were collected for -- as examples of HowNotToLive NegativePositive so real life is BETTER equally for the LIVING).

If you've never read me before, that's difficult to understand. The ROOT of Catholicism and ALL other religions is the gathering of stories about societies that divided into PositiveKingdoms, declaring all others 'negative,' in order to HATE them, and do FigurativeCarpentry against them, hammering them ruthlessly on self-made 'positive-cross-signs,' their own CrossOfShame. The Church was commanded and they PROMISED to protect exactly that and onlye xactly that. All religions, all denominations, all sects, all cults, all cabals. Same root. Same exact root. Isolation and power-grabbing deceived the masses by taking the 'positive' portions out-of-context and teaching how to hate 'negatives' and do FigurativeCarpentry. How? By teaching the masses how to 'aspire' to be that which is IMPOSSIBLE, water-walkers ... and nobody can walk on water, and that's the point ... you CAN'T ... but the zealots are teaching the masses to learn to 'aspire' to be something impossible and the masses end up learning how to hate themselves because they can't do it. Then, they voodoo-project their inner-hate against others in FigurativeCarpentry, shaming and blaming all 'negatives' ... re-inacting the formula of HATE, the exact OPPOSITE of the FormulaOfLife, which the Church and all religions PROMISED to protect.

The Pope is going to fix it ... marrying all religions in peace. It's not about pomp and ceremony. It's about PeaceOnEarth, not 'off' ... ON .... just like you described ... this life, not a fictional one, this life on this earth. PeaceOnEarth.

Thanks for sharing your personal viewpoints. Too few do -- merely goose-stepping in lock-step with holes punched in the whole message, to hate 'negatives,' in so-called 'positive-goodness.' Thank you for not doing that. I thank you with all my heart.