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| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: direct scientific link between meat diets and cancer |
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for the interest of your health....i have known the following info for along time but just thought i would share it with you people.....what is below is from a medical report, the full study can be found at http://www.vegsource.com/harris/cancer_vegdiet.htm
and before you jump the gun and roar "but its from a veg website, it must be biased!!!!" i have pasted the sources of the information below the Conclusion, which as you can see, comes from many different places, many of them with no vegetarian purpose/association whatsoever.
Conclusion
Evidence from a broad scientific literature suggests:
A. Rates for at least six common types of cancer, country by country, correlate with the consumption of animal source food.
B. There is a modest negative correlation with these cancers and plant source food consumption.
C. A variety of phytochemicals present in plant foods have been demonstrated to be protective against the DNA damage that leads to cancer.
D. The veg*n diet, extolled by its advocates for at least 150 years as a cancer preventive strategy, is the logical end point of the dietary recommendations, now made by scientific organizations, to reduce animal food consumption.
E. A recent clinical review (49) concluded: "Up to 80% of bowel and breast cancer may be preventable by dietary change... Diet contributes to varying extent to the risk of many other cancers, including cancers of the lung, prostate, stomach, oesophagus, and pancreas... Generally, fruit, vegetables, and fibre have a protective effect, whereas red and processed meat increase the risk of developing cancer."
There are no logical arguments for the continued use of animal source food in the human diet. However, logic is not the key factor here. The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) has shielded the meat and dairy industries from normal market forces since at least the beginning of the Commodities Credit Corporation (CCC) in 1933 (50), by giving direct price supports to dairy production, and de facto supports to the meat industry in the form of feed grain price supports (51, 52).. In 1998 USDA Secretary Dan Glickman bought up at least $250 million worth of beef, chicken, dairy, eggs, fish, lamb, and pork that could not be sold on an already flooded market. These goods will be dumped into public feeding troughs such as the National School Lunch Program (53).
This is contrary to advice given by the National Cancer Institute, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), and the USDA itself, to consume daily at least five servings of fruit and vegetables. Only a third of the U.S. public is aware of the "5-A-Day" recommendation (54).
Vegetable and fruit growers have for the most part been excluded from support programs..."All crops may be harvested on flex acreage except...fruits and vegetables..." (55), and apparently don't want government assistance or large ad campaigns(56) to market their products. Evidence indicates that animal industries have exerted enormous pressure on the government for continuation of their supports (57). These industries then plow their profit margins into massive ad campaigns, nutritional "education", and political action to insure that their benefits will continue.
A glance at IRS Corporate Income Tax Form 1120 and most state corporate tax forms shows also that advertising is a tax deductible business expense. There is little doubt that the animal food interests are taking full advantage of this as they suborn the media, the nutritional establishment, and the government to push their wares on a naive public.
Until the government stops using public tax moneys to bail out the animal food interests and stops giving tax breaks for their massive advertising programs that virtually freeze vegetarian information out of the public consciousness, there is not much chance that we will see a reduction in cancer rates.
William Harris, M.D.
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i think its about time the Health Departments of different governments, particuarlly in the western world, make use of this common evidence so less people get sick and their budgets are not swallowed up by heathcare and hospitals not crammed with the elderly, many of whom have cancer. This can be prevented in our futures as long as the media co-operates and stops propogating lies concerning diet and what is actaully good for people!!!![/i][/code] |
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mathurin
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not even doctors have yet determined what causes cancer, for a statistical study to make claims is a joke
"I included additional vital statistics from The Book of World Rankings (6,7) for birth rate, female life expectancy, GNP/caput($), infant mortality, male life expectancy, male/female cancer ratios, meat consumption (kg/caput/yr early 70's), sugar consumption (kg/caput/yr -1976), and total population."
nowhere do i see him state that he correlated for alcohol or drug consumption, heredity, pesticide and herbicide, radiation present, location or any number of things which have more impact on cancer than diet |
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jasonireland
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:27 am Post subject: |
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did you click the link? no.
do you realise what you are saying?emmmm?
mathurin, do i have to draw a diagram for you? no actually why dont you click on the link(or paste it to your url)and see the diagrams for yourself.
and if you cannot see a pattern, then i am dumbfounded and totally and utterly lost on you. |
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thintheherd
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Even if it IS true, people DO have to die you know. The cancers you hope to prevent will merely be replaced by some other catastrophy if eliminated, in order to maintain the balance of nature.
So IF a vegan diet squeezes out a few more years.. what good does that do anyone? Prolonging the inevitable is wrought with consequenses to those lingering, as well as any fellow survivors, as I'm sure you'll agree.
Personally, I don't want to live beyond my usefullness to my family and/or society. Death is not something I fear. Billions have gone before me, I think I'll be just fine. Nature will take it's course and I shall welcome it. |
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jasonireland
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you do have a weird way at looking at things thintheherd. so you think just because a few million vegans live longer than others, suddenly mother nature is going to whip up a tidal wave or a hurricane and knock some more off to balance it out? thats a bizarre theory.
you dont necessarily get cancer just when you are old. my mothers best friend died of cancer before she was 50. but, hey if you are prepared to welcome death (your words) so be it. its very manly of you have such an attitude towards dying prematurely, i dont wholly believe you though. but how can we prove this? we cant , but if you are that sure about it its fine with me.
i find it hard to believe that you will kill yourself("I don't want to live beyond my usefullness to my family and/or society"-) and your loved ones will be accepting of that decision.have you ever witnessed a fully intended suicide? its illegal in the US right? surely you are a law abiding patriot? somehow, i just dont believe you.
you sure are going to some lenght to TRY to come up with some sort of case against what i said. most people , surely, want to live longer healthier lives? right? |
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Pebble
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Quote: not even doctors have yet determined what causes cancer, for a statistical study to make claims is a joke
Erm. Yes they have.
Cancers are cause by the uncontrollable mitosis of cells, which in turn cause uncontrolled growth or tumours to appear. These spates of uncontrollable mitosis are caused when the gene in a cell responsible for that function is damaged, leading to the gene being called an oncogene, this can be caused by a cancer causing factor or carcinogen, for example the tar in cigarette smoke.
In a nutshell. |
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jasonireland
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| you see once again, mathurin claims to know what he is talking about when he really doesnt have a clue, and even if he did, is it not a strange coincidence that the more people eat animal fat in a country , the higher rate of cancer there is?(see graph on webpage, there is a link at the top of my OP) seems more than a coincidence to me, yet once again people will choose what to not believe and what not to believe cause it makes life easier than actually thinking about things for a change. |
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jasonireland
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| its ironic your name is thintheherd when eating meat is exactly what that will do. did you pick that name on purpose? |
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thintheherd
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jasonireland wrote: you do have a weird way at looking at things thintheherd. so you think just because a few million vegans live longer than others, suddenly mother nature is going to whip up a tidal wave or a hurricane and knock some more off to balance it out? thats a bizarre theory.
Not necessarily a natural disaster :roll:, could be a disease. The point is nature has a way of taking care of herself.
jasonireland wrote: you dont necessarily get cancer just when you are old. my mothers best friend died of cancer before she was 50. but, hey if you are prepared to welcome death (your words) so be it. its very manly of you have such an attitude towards dying prematurely, i dont wholly believe you though. but how can we prove this? we cant , but if you are that sure about it its fine with me.
Don't really care if you believe me or not. It wasn't made as a manly statement nor did it reference anything about premature death. I simply believe there is no real good reason to prolong ones life simply because they fear death.
BTW, my use of the word 'cancers' was a euphemism for 'anything that might hurt jason unless he only eats leaves'.
jasonireland wrote: i find it hard to believe that you will kill yourself("I don't want to live beyond my usefullness to my family and/or society"-) and your loved ones will be accepting of that decision.have you ever witnessed a fully intended suicide? its illegal in the US right? surely you are a law abiding patriot? somehow, i just dont believe you.
Again, I don't care if you believe me and once again, you've twisted my words.. I said nothing of killing myself. I stated that I have no desire to outlive my usefulness. I gave no details beyond that.. How you equated that statement to illegality, patriotism or suicide is troubling. Perhaps you should not read too much into things [read:OP]
jasonireland wrote: you sure are going to some lenght to TRY to come up with some sort of case against what i said. most people , surely, want to live longer healthier lives? right?
Actually, I've expended no more energy than I would frying up a hamburger for a single lunch. I wouldn't call that 'great lengths' by any stretch of the imagination. All your fear documents above immediately inspired me to look at it from a slightly different direction and I have stated as much.
On the other hand, the research you have apparently invested heavily in speaks volumes as to how much time you are willing to commit to your desire to live longer and 'healthier'. Sure a lot of people want to live longer for whatever reason.. I tend to live for the moment as any one of us could be 'hit by a bus' later this afternoon and all of that time spent trying to extend our time here would have been for naught.
I see my time worth a bit more than that. |
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thintheherd
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jasonireland wrote: its ironic your name is thintheherd when eating meat is exactly what that will do. did you pick that name on purpose?
No, ironic would be having my nickname and not eating meat.
Not one to be ironic, yeah.. I chose it, for a wide variety of reasons thank you. |
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jasonireland
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so to clear things up how do you plan to not live past your usefulness to society? if you do not commit suicide what do you do,i am only left to assume thats what you meant, what else could you mean?
"Not necessarily a natural disaster , could be a disease. The point is nature has a way of taking care of herself. " yes, but how does nature calculate vegans live longer and then do something to cancel that out. please elaborate, you are not really making a point here.
"I simply believe there is no real good reason to prolong ones life simply because they fear death" so you would prefer die of cancer than live a longer life? you are not making much sense here. |
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thintheherd
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jasonireland wrote: so to clear things up how do you plan to not live past your usefulness to society? if you do not commit suicide what do you do,i am only left to assume thats what you meant, what else could you mean?
Don't get ahead of yourself here jason...Just because I said I don't want to live beyond my time doesn't mean I am planning any escapes. I'm simply saying that nature should be allowed to take it's course.
jasonireland wrote: "Not necessarily a natural disaster , could be a disease. The point is nature has a way of taking care of herself. " yes, but how does nature calculate vegans live longer and then do something to cancel that out. please elaborate, you are not really making a point here.
Please read what I said before. Your propensity to put a face on everything is disturbing. Calculate? Nature? :roll:
jasonireland wrote: "I simply believe there is no real good reason to prolong ones life simply because they fear death" so you would prefer die of cancer than live a longer life? you are not making much sense here.
No...I was quite clear, I would prefer not to waste my precious time worrying about, and attempting to prolong, the inevitable only to be hit by the proverbial bus one sunny day in my fifties. (or cancer, or plague etc. the point is clear) |
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ieatfood
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all of these are retrospective studies
that means they look at correlations between meat eaters and cancer
that does not necessarily mean that meat causes cancer
correlation does not prove causation
a more powerful study would be a prospective study like the one recently done that showed lowering fat intake will not affect women's risk of heart disease. entirely counter-intuitive, but true.
i don't know that any of those have been done on meat and cancer.
when you do retrospective studies, you introduce all sorts of bias
for example, people who are vegans may also tend to have some other trait (ie different patterns of living, exercise, genetic background, environment, etc). These traits may cause there to be a correlation with cancer reduction--it may not necessarily be because of the meat. Of course, it could be the meat as well. That's why these studies aren't as powerful. |
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TNBiologist
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| Ok, I make my living as a scientist and this study is so full of wholes it isn't funny. They make correlation between meat products and cancer compared to vegen diets and cancer but do not show any of their statistical data, do not show which type of statistical test they used (anova, p-tail, t-tail, etc) and do not even mention significant difference which is the basis of statistical analysis. Even with out those errors there are flows with what they are claiming. The countries with low cancer rates in their graphs tended to be japan and mexico. Japan's seafood intake is several times more than the average american and there are studies to show that seafood in the diet helps fight cancer. Mexico is a poor country in which only the upper class get regular madical treatment and the poor die with a cause of death know. Too go futher, America has a much high alcohol comsumption rate than most countries which has been shown to increase the risk of cancer but no where in the study was alcohol mentioned or smoking or radiation levels, etc. Your study is crap. |
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X-Shocker
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Jason of Ireland,
So, according to your post, by eating plant matter, the benefictial properties of plants would cancel out the harmful properties of meat. Therefore, omnivores are safe and cancers come from other causes.
Not to be mean, but you should try adding some animal protein into your diet. Tatse great going down. :lol: :lol: :lol: |
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Leon Czolgosz
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I might very well die of cancer, in fact, I'd be suprised if I didn't die from cancer. But melanoma will beat out 'meat cancer' by about 20 years. So forgive me if I don't give a rats' patoot that red meat 'might' give me cancer.
like thintheherd says, if cancer doesn't get you, something else will. Think of how many more cases of alzheimers (sp?) we'd have if not for cancer. And I'd rather go with cancer than lurk around being a burden to my family |
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ieatfood
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i have done a bit more research and have found that some studies do indeed link meat to various types of cancers. But other studies show no such link.
Thus, I think the bottom line is that meat MAY increase risk of certain cancers but the evidence is not 100%.
The evidence that meat causes cancer is pretty much akin to the evidence that Sadaam had WMD's. There's some evidence, but no smoking gun.
From a recent study:
Several prospective studies have been conducted to evaluate the relationship between a high fat diet and colorectal cancer and between meat consumption and colorectal cancer.......The results were inconsistent.
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From another study:
Previous cohort studies have yielded conflicting results with regard to red meat and prostate cancer risk, with some studies suggesting a positive association (21–24), whereas others have found no association (25, 26). The results from this study do not support the hypothesis that red meat intake per se is a risk factor for prostate cancer. link
Another study:
we did not observe an association of ovarian cancer risk with dietary fat intake, including saturated, monounsaturated, and polyunsaturated fatty acids, protein, carbohydrate, dietary fiber, fruit, dairy products, meat products, fish, chicken, grain products, nut products, baked desserts, margarine, butter, mayonnaise, and supplement of multiple vitamins, vitamin A, vitamin C, calcium, iron, zinc, and selenium.
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OneZero
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| Oh crap, I might get cancer if I eat meat! Oh crap, I might get cancer if I'm a vegan. Oh well, I'll stick with meat. |
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Leon Czolgosz
Joined: 05 Apr 2006
Posts: 190
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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my dog didn't eat meat, and it got cancer.
I guess dog food is also off my menu at home. :( |
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GTTofAK
Joined: 09 Jan 2005
Posts: 5968
Location: Alaska
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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All I' getting from this study is that is a bad idea not to eat your vegetables.
Well Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :gdgf: |
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