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Leon Czolgosz · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 190

I'm not talking about taking it down to the vet. I'm talking about shooting it because of necessity (injured or sick)

I have, once.

My dog was hit by a car and broke it's back. It was conscience but resting quietly. Another pet was trying to attack it, a third had to be restrained because it was protecting the first dog from the second. Either way, it was late one Saturday night.

So here were my options.
1. Emergency vet visit where I would have been charged up to $500 dollars for him to tell me what I already knew. Broken back=expensive surgery, or put the dog to sleep. Price tag=$100 - a couple of grand for surgery

2. Put the dog down without the vet visit. Price tag - price of 3 bullets and gas for truck to get us into the woods.

3 shots is what I put into my dog's head. The way I looked at it. A surgery was out of the question, and since it was a weekend at night, a vet visit was also, out of the question. Had it been a Thursday afternoon, I would have had a vet put the dog to sleep, but like I said, the time it happened made the gun shot more reasonable.

How many have had to shoot their pet?

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

Leon Czolgosz wrote: I'm not talking about taking it down to the vet. I'm talking about shooting it because of necessity (injured or sick)

I have, once.

My dog was hit by a car and broke it's back. It was conscience but resting quietly. Another pet was trying to attack it, a third had to be restrained because it was protecting the first dog from the second. Either way, it was late one Saturday night.

So here were my options.
1. Emergency vet visit where I would have been charged up to $500 dollars for him to tell me what I already knew. Broken back=expensive surgery, or put the dog to sleep. Price tag=$100 - a couple of grand for surgery

2. Put the dog down without the vet visit. Price tag - price of 3 bullets and gas for truck to get us into the woods.

3 shots is what I put into my dog's head. The way I looked at it. A surgery was out of the question, and since it was a weekend at night, a vet visit was also, out of the question. Had it been a Thursday afternoon, I would have had a vet put the dog to sleep, but like I said, the time it happened made the gun shot more reasonable.

How many have had to shoot their pet?

I would have done the same. It would have taken too much suffering to get to any vet.

I've never had to do it, but I did once help my dad kill a "rescued" stray that my folks had adopted, but started growling at my kids, and hanging around my female dog. My kids and my dog were worth more than that POS dog. My dad did the shooting, but I would have if he hadn't.

grim · Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 1366 Location: Ottawa

Leon Czolgosz wrote: I'm not talking about taking it down to the vet. I'm talking about shooting it because of necessity (injured or sick)

I have, once.

My dog was hit by a car and broke it's back. It was conscience but resting quietly. Another pet was trying to attack it, a third had to be restrained because it was protecting the first dog from the second. Either way, it was late one Saturday night.

So here were my options.
1. Emergency vet visit where I would have been charged up to $500 dollars for him to tell me what I already knew. Broken back=expensive surgery, or put the dog to sleep. Price tag=$100 - a couple of grand for surgery

2. Put the dog down without the vet visit. Price tag - price of 3 bullets and gas for truck to get us into the woods.

3 shots is what I put into my dog's head. The way I looked at it. A surgery was out of the question, and since it was a weekend at night, a vet visit was also, out of the question. Had it been a Thursday afternoon, I would have had a vet put the dog to sleep, but like I said, the time it happened made the gun shot more reasonable.

How many have had to shoot their pet?

Hmm. Another pet killing thread mere moments after your first. Odd. Did you stroke his dorsal fin while bathing him in warm soapy water?

Leon Czolgosz · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 190

I was just trying not to hijack a differnt thread. Just wondering how many has had this situation.

Trying to get a feel for different people's opinions. A few are moving up in my book, a few are falling down. I have a feeling that those falling down in my book, will follow me around the site for a little while from thread to thread insulting me, so I need to understand their thinking.

grim · Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 1366 Location: Ottawa

Leon Czolgosz wrote: I was just trying not to hijack a differnt thread. Just wondering how many has had this situation.

Trying to get a feel for different people's opinions. A few are moving up in my book, a few are falling down. I have a feeling that those falling down in my book, will follow me around the site for a little while from thread to thread insulting me, so I need to understand their thinking.

A clean dorsal fin is the secret to a healthy dogfish.

Wolverine · Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 10899 Location: Podunk, Colorado

Its your dog, your property, you can do what you want as long as it is not extensively cruel. Which what you did, was not cruel at all.

I don't know why people think that vets are any more qualified to end an animals life, if a vet does it, its fine, if you do it its abuse. :roll:

JLChrista · Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 74

I had a pound dog, he was going to be put to sleep the next day if I didn't take him. He was HUGE and had been really mistreated and responded by not responding at all. But I had a little talk with him, and he looked me in the eyes, so I took him home. Within a month or so of realizing he was in the "good" life, he was much more responsive, but still untrainable and didn't have the love most dogs show to owners. If I even raised my voice a little he rolled over and peed himself. (Fortunately he was a bit more aggressive about barking and growling at strangers.) Anyway, 10 years later, he quits eating, quits going out, just nothing. Then he started going out and peeing ALOT and OFTEN. From previous animals I knew this was kidney and/or liver failure. Like you I had a few choices. Mine was not exactly an emergency but after the following incident which had happened MANY years before, I have decided to put down my own animals. (Incident below) Anyway, I gently took him outside and scratched and loved and cuddled him in the warm sunshine for about two hours till he had fallen deeply asleep. Then I shot him once in the head. That was it. I have put down two cats and three dogs this way. No guilt, but you have to read what the last cat that was "euthanized" by a vet went through to understand my perspective.

I took my very old cat to the vet, that I had spent $1000's on her in her last years due to chronic kidney and liver failures. At one time even force feeding her for five months just to keep her alive. Anyway, it was well past time to put her down, I realize now how unfair keeping her alive so long was to her. So I take her to the vet, go into the exam room, and while I'm waiting, I have her situated in my lap, petting and caressing her. In comes the vet. "We'll take her now." "No," I say, "she is all relaxed, just do it now." Well after a fight with the vet, he finally agreed. He had his assistant come in and this is what happened. It happened so fast I didn't even have time to react. She, the assistant, snatched the cat rudely, slammed her on the exam table, very roughly grabbed her legs in hand and her head/face in the other. The vet stepped up, the cat is wide awake, in a panic, and virtually hysterical, as was I; but the vet didn't care, he just shoved a needle in her and plunged the plunger.

Apparently, had I left her, as requested, she would have had that same treatment only at the end of the day after being caged and scared all day. (BTW, the vet TOLD me to bring her in at 9:30am, it wasn't my idea to just show up.)

Anyway, after seeing that, I decided that I wanted my animals to be loved and caressed before they were euthanized, not terrorized and treated like crap.

I have another dog now, he is just wonderful. Got him as a pup, instead of a grown dog like the one mentioned above. When I say outloud, "What did I ever do to deserve such a great dog?' My darling daughter always answers, "You loved one that needed loving for so long, though he couldn't return it." She knows how the dog went down (I also had to put her old dog down for her last year as she has never shot a gun and doesn't ever want to), so it really means a lot to me that she understands and agrees that it is humane and loving.

George W Bush · Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject:

again, only if it was suffering.

but, ive got enough knowledge to understand when/what is required.

some of your get giddy at the thought of killing someone with your "nine".
Its easy. and your life has to be easy because challenges, well, "hell, who likes them there life challenges. get er done!"

JLChrista · Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 74

George W. Bush, I don't understand your post. Are you saying that euthanizing an animal that is actively dying or in crippling pain is the "easy" thing to do?

If so I would have to say first it isn't easy. Physically pulling a trigger is easy, but the choice and the whole doing of it isn't easy at all. Secondly, you say "killing someone," it was an animal, not a "someone." Livesaving for animals has to be weighed with the expense, the likely outcome for the animal, and ultimately the long term sensibility of it. Besides the cat that I spent $1000's on, I also spent $1000's on my first dog who got cancer in her hip joint and muscles. Had it all cut out, paid for radiation, the whole nine yards. . .six months later it all came back. That was when I decided that extreme care for animals is not seemingly worth the end results and is so much harder on the pet than killing it. Sure if it makes a full recovery, but usually that can take months and years if it happens at all. I think quality of short term situations is more important to an animal's life whereas the long term situation tends to be more important to us humans that can intellectualize and rationalize the interim pains, agonies, and such.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

Leon Czolgosz wrote: I'm not talking about taking it down to the vet. I'm talking about shooting it because of necessity (injured or sick)

I have, once.

My dog was hit by a car and broke it's back. It was conscience but resting quietly. Another pet was trying to attack it, a third had to be restrained because it was protecting the first dog from the second. Either way, it was late one Saturday night.

So here were my options.
1. Emergency vet visit where I would have been charged up to $500 dollars for him to tell me what I already knew. Broken back=expensive surgery, or put the dog to sleep. Price tag=$100 - a couple of grand for surgery

2. Put the dog down without the vet visit. Price tag - price of 3 bullets and gas for truck to get us into the woods.

3 shots is what I put into my dog's head. The way I looked at it. A surgery was out of the question, and since it was a weekend at night, a vet visit was also, out of the question. Had it been a Thursday afternoon, I would have had a vet put the dog to sleep, but like I said, the time it happened made the gun shot more reasonable.

How many have had to shoot their pet?

I agree, I would have done the same thing, as hard as it may be.

connermt · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 1526 Location: CMH OHIO

Very sick & disturbing thread.... :x

George W Bush

grim wrote: Leon Czolgosz wrote: I'm not talking about taking it down to the vet. I'm talking about shooting it because of necessity (injured or sick)

I have, once.

My dog was hit by a car and broke it's back. It was conscience but resting quietly. Another pet was trying to attack it, a third had to be restrained because it was protecting the first dog from the second. Either way, it was late one Saturday night.

So here were my options.
1. Emergency vet visit where I would have been charged up to $500 dollars for him to tell me what I already knew. Broken back=expensive surgery, or put the dog to sleep. Price tag=$100 - a couple of grand for surgery

2. Put the dog down without the vet visit. Price tag - price of 3 bullets and gas for truck to get us into the woods.

3 shots is what I put into my dog's head. The way I looked at it. A surgery was out of the question, and since it was a weekend at night, a vet visit was also, out of the question. Had it been a Thursday afternoon, I would have had a vet put the dog to sleep, but like I said, the time it happened made the gun shot more reasonable.

How many have had to shoot their pet?

Hmm. Another pet killing thread mere moments after your first. Odd. Did you stroke his dorsal fin while bathing him in warm soapy water?

this poster is a sicko. He gets off on what he writes.
Look at his signature below his name "My wife is sick" or something like that. I spare myself from looking.

But, he probably a serial animal abuser. These types end up as serial killers.

George W Bush · Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject:

JLChrista wrote: George W. Bush, I don't understand your post. Are you saying that euthanizing an animal that is actively dying or in crippling pain is the "easy" thing to do?

If so I would have to say first it isn't easy. Physically pulling a trigger is easy, but the choice and the whole doing of it isn't easy at all. Secondly, you say "killing someone," it was an animal, not a "someone." Livesaving for animals has to be weighed with the expense, the likely outcome for the animal, and ultimately the long term sensibility of it. Besides the cat that I spent $1000's on, I also spent $1000's on my first dog who got cancer in her hip joint and muscles. Had it all cut out, paid for radiation, the whole nine yards. . .six months later it all came back. That was when I decided that extreme care for animals is not seemingly worth the end results and is so much harder on the pet than killing it. Sure if it makes a full recovery, but usually that can take months and years if it happens at all. I think quality of short term situations is more important to an animal's life whereas the long term situation tends to be more important to us humans that can intellectualize and rationalize the interim pains, agonies, and such.

We have differing value systems.

Pets are as important to me as people thus I would spend what I had on their survival.

The original posters a flake who gets off on animal cruelty. Just look at his passed posts. He purposely attempts to inflame other posters.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

George W Bush wrote: JLChrista wrote: George W. Bush, I don't understand your post. Are you saying that euthanizing an animal that is actively dying or in crippling pain is the "easy" thing to do?

If so I would have to say first it isn't easy. Physically pulling a trigger is easy, but the choice and the whole doing of it isn't easy at all. Secondly, you say "killing someone," it was an animal, not a "someone." Livesaving for animals has to be weighed with the expense, the likely outcome for the animal, and ultimately the long term sensibility of it. Besides the cat that I spent $1000's on, I also spent $1000's on my first dog who got cancer in her hip joint and muscles. Had it all cut out, paid for radiation, the whole nine yards. . .six months later it all came back. That was when I decided that extreme care for animals is not seemingly worth the end results and is so much harder on the pet than killing it. Sure if it makes a full recovery, but usually that can take months and years if it happens at all. I think quality of short term situations is more important to an animal's life whereas the long term situation tends to be more important to us humans that can intellectualize and rationalize the interim pains, agonies, and such.

We have differing value systems.

Pets are as important to me as people thus I would spend what I had on their survival.

The original posters a flake who gets off on animal cruelty. Just look at his passed posts. He purposely attempts to inflame other posters.

It is sad that a mouse has the same value as a person in your eyes.

Leon Czolgosz · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 190

no, rats aren't cute, so I'm sure GWB doesn't value them as high. His animal pecking order, like many animal activists, are based on cuteness factors.

GWB, how low down the animal kingdom scale do you go before you don't worry about a life. Can you swat a mosquito? Can you kill a rodent in your house? Is it vehicular animal slaughter if you are speeding down the road and hit and kill a dog? a deer? you could go to jail for the same reason if it were a human you hit? By your reasoning, should people who speed, hit and kill an animal, who you put as equal to humans, be tried by a jury of their peers and face possible prison sentances? Just like they would if they would if the victim was human?

Your reasoning is flawed and I showed how. Animals are not equal to humans. And while I'm sure you haven't killed an animal, I'm willing to bet, you won't think of animals as equal if and when you kill one while driving over the speed limit (that you admit to doing all the time)

George W Bush · Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject:

Leon Czolgosz wrote: no, rats aren't cute, so I'm sure GWB doesn't value them as high. His animal pecking order, like many animal activists, are based on cuteness factors.

GWB, how low down the animal kingdom scale do you go before you don't worry about a life. Can you swat a mosquito? Can you kill a rodent in your house? Is it vehicular animal slaughter if you are speeding down the road and hit and kill a dog? a deer? you could go to jail for the same reason if it were a human you hit? By your reasoning, should people who speed, hit and kill an animal, who you put as equal to humans, be tried by a jury of their peers and face possible prison sentances? Just like they would if they would if the victim was human?

Your reasoning is flawed and I showed how. Animals are not equal to humans. And while I'm sure you haven't killed an animal, I'm willing to bet, you won't think of animals as equal if and when you kill one while driving over the speed limit (that you admit to doing all the time)

I speed because I can. And I get away with it. You think I care about you and your anal retentive need to drive below the limit? I'll pass you and will either flip you off, or blast my speakers loud enough for you to cringe.

Because I can.

As far as the animal cruelty goes, I dont need to abuse anyone for the purer enjoyments in life. Hurting anything, wether it be human or animal (they are synonymous, but i'll dumb it down just for you) - gains nothing for you but makes you look like a demented retard.

Now, move over old man, speed boy is coming through.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

George W Bush wrote: Leon Czolgosz wrote: no, rats aren't cute, so I'm sure GWB doesn't value them as high. His animal pecking order, like many animal activists, are based on cuteness factors.

GWB, how low down the animal kingdom scale do you go before you don't worry about a life. Can you swat a mosquito? Can you kill a rodent in your house? Is it vehicular animal slaughter if you are speeding down the road and hit and kill a dog? a deer? you could go to jail for the same reason if it were a human you hit? By your reasoning, should people who speed, hit and kill an animal, who you put as equal to humans, be tried by a jury of their peers and face possible prison sentances? Just like they would if they would if the victim was human?

Your reasoning is flawed and I showed how. Animals are not equal to humans. And while I'm sure you haven't killed an animal, I'm willing to bet, you won't think of animals as equal if and when you kill one while driving over the speed limit (that you admit to doing all the time)

I speed because I can. And I get away with it. You think I care about you and your anal retentive need to drive below the limit? I'll pass you and will either flip you off, or blast my speakers loud enough for you to cringe.

Because I can.

As far as the animal cruelty goes, I dont need to abuse anyone for the purer enjoyments in life. Hurting anything, wether it be human or animal (they are synonymous, but i'll dumb it down just for you) - gains nothing for you but makes you look like a demented retard.

Now, move over old man, speed boy is coming through.

I wish you wouldn't resort to name calling and would answer Leon's question, would you like someone who is speeding down the road and kills an animal to be tried and potentially sentenced the same punishment if it was a human? If you were in control of the world would that be something you would enact?

George W Bush · Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:24 pm Post subject:

OneZero wrote: George W Bush wrote: Leon Czolgosz wrote: no, rats aren't cute, so I'm sure GWB doesn't value them as high. His animal pecking order, like many animal activists, are based on cuteness factors.

GWB, how low down the animal kingdom scale do you go before you don't worry about a life. Can you swat a mosquito? Can you kill a rodent in your house? Is it vehicular animal slaughter if you are speeding down the road and hit and kill a dog? a deer? you could go to jail for the same reason if it were a human you hit? By your reasoning, should people who speed, hit and kill an animal, who you put as equal to humans, be tried by a jury of their peers and face possible prison sentances? Just like they would if they would if the victim was human?

Your reasoning is flawed and I showed how. Animals are not equal to humans. And while I'm sure you haven't killed an animal, I'm willing to bet, you won't think of animals as equal if and when you kill one while driving over the speed limit (that you admit to doing all the time)

I speed because I can. And I get away with it. You think I care about you and your anal retentive need to drive below the limit? I'll pass you and will either flip you off, or blast my speakers loud enough for you to cringe.

Because I can.

As far as the animal cruelty goes, I dont need to abuse anyone for the purer enjoyments in life. Hurting anything, wether it be human or animal (they are synonymous, but i'll dumb it down just for you) - gains nothing for you but makes you look like a demented retard.

Now, move over old man, speed boy is coming through.

I wish you wouldn't resort to name calling and would answer Leon's question, would you like someone who is speeding down the road and kills an animal to be tried and potentially sentenced the same punishment if it was a human? If you were in control of the world would that be something you would enact?

If it were my animal, I would enact justice myself because animals are not protected under those circumstances.

For a person, I would question what the idiot was doing in the road anyway.

If I hit an animal, which is not as smart as human beings, how could I get pissed at the animal?

If you think there are answers to these variably tainted situations, you are probably someone who is YOUNG are never finished high school.

When I get these questions, I do not answer directly because they are so sophmoric that its like playing a game of candyland with some simple minded adults.

I need more variables for the situations. If you dont know what I mean, thank you and have a nice day and dont quit high school.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

George W Bush wrote:
If it were my animal, I would enact justice myself because animals are not protected under those circumstances.

For a person, I would question what the idiot was doing in the road anyway.

If I hit an animal, which is not as smart as human beings, how could I get pissed at the animal?

If you think there are answers to these variably tainted situations, you are probably someone who is YOUNG are never finished high school.

When I get these questions, I do not answer directly because they are so sophmoric that its like playing a game of candyland with some simple minded adults.

I need more variables for the situations. If you dont know what I mean, thank you and have a nice day and dont quit high school.

Good grief, how many more variables do you need? You hit an animal or you don't while speeding, that's all there is! I think these "I need more info" stupid excuses are just that, stupid excuses because you don't want to face the truth that humans are more important than animals. WHY you can't just admit this is beyond me.

Leon Czolgosz · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 190

you're avoiding the question in typical fashion GWB.

whether you agree with the speed laws or not, if a person is speeding down the road, and hits a pedestrian and kills that person, the driver can be tried and go to prison for vehicular manslaughter...

you say animals are equal to humans, then do you think that if a person was speeding down the road (wreckless driving), and hits and kills an animal, do you think that driver should be tried and face prison, just like he could if he had hit a person.