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Wolfman · Joined: 24 Mar 2006 Posts: 11

Leon Czolgosz:

That’s the problem with families that “adopt” pets, i.e., they never really accept the responsibility for the care of the animal. It is the reason why so many animals are abandoned or surrendered to shelters to be mercifully put out of existence.

Wolfman

Leon Czolgosz · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 190

Winchester wrote: Wolfman wrote: When I took my dog into my home, it was with the implicit promise that I would care for him, not just as a pet but a member of my family; for in domesticating him, I have made him completely dependent upon me. In this respect, the rule is simple: I will do without everything, before my dog wants for anything.

When I took responsibility for my dog, the first thing I did was to obtain insurance with VPI (Veterinary Pet Insurance). The policy costs approximately $700.00 per year, including coverage for cancer. Happily, in the eight years that I have had my dog, I have never had to use it; and I shall have no regret for the expense, for my dog is priceless.

Wow, you've spent $5,600 to date on health insurance for your dog? At that rate it seems you'ld have been better off self insuring. I do applaud your dedication to your pet though.

but self insuring wouldn't allow the animal lovers to tell people how much they love their pets.

$5600 invested would go further, but I suppose, if a dog is worth mortgaging my kid's future... :roll:

Protostar · Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:46 pm Post subject:

Leon Czolgosz wrote: Winchester wrote: Wolfman wrote: When I took my dog into my home, it was with the implicit promise that I would care for him, not just as a pet but a member of my family; for in domesticating him, I have made him completely dependent upon me. In this respect, the rule is simple: I will do without everything, before my dog wants for anything.

When I took responsibility for my dog, the first thing I did was to obtain insurance with VPI (Veterinary Pet Insurance). The policy costs approximately $700.00 per year, including coverage for cancer. Happily, in the eight years that I have had my dog, I have never had to use it; and I shall have no regret for the expense, for my dog is priceless.

Wow, you've spent $5,600 to date on health insurance for your dog? At that rate it seems you'ld have been better off self insuring. I do applaud your dedication to your pet though.

but self insuring wouldn't allow the animal lovers to tell people how much they love their pets.

$5600 invested would go further, but I suppose, if a dog is worth mortgaging my kid's future... :roll:

Not everyone has kids!!! To me a dog > kids. I agree with Wolfman on dogs. I would never pay for insurance for him, but then again I wouldn't pay for insurance for myself. :lol: I do so love my dog and will do all in my power to insure that he is fed, watered, and all around properly taken care of. However if the time came that he was in excruciating pain, I would simply have him put down. No need to allow him to linger on suffering (I also find it funny how so many people support that position with animals, but call it murder when a human does it to another human)

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

Protostar wrote: Leon Czolgosz wrote: Winchester wrote: Wolfman wrote: When I took my dog into my home, it was with the implicit promise that I would care for him, not just as a pet but a member of my family; for in domesticating him, I have made him completely dependent upon me. In this respect, the rule is simple: I will do without everything, before my dog wants for anything.

When I took responsibility for my dog, the first thing I did was to obtain insurance with VPI (Veterinary Pet Insurance). The policy costs approximately $700.00 per year, including coverage for cancer. Happily, in the eight years that I have had my dog, I have never had to use it; and I shall have no regret for the expense, for my dog is priceless.

Wow, you've spent $5,600 to date on health insurance for your dog? At that rate it seems you'ld have been better off self insuring. I do applaud your dedication to your pet though.

but self insuring wouldn't allow the animal lovers to tell people how much they love their pets.

$5600 invested would go further, but I suppose, if a dog is worth mortgaging my kid's future... :roll:

Not everyone has kids!!! To me a dog > kids. I agree with Wolfman on dogs. I would never pay for insurance for him, but then again I wouldn't pay for insurance for myself. :lol: I do so love my dog and will do all in my power to insure that he is fed, watered, and all around properly taken care of. However if the time came that he was in excruciating pain, I would simply have him put down. No need to allow him to linger on suffering (I also find it funny how so many people support that position with animals, but call it murder when a human does it to another human)

Because who are you to decide when someone should die?

Protostar · Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:52 pm Post subject:

OneZero wrote: Protostar wrote: Leon Czolgosz wrote: Winchester wrote: Wolfman wrote: When I took my dog into my home, it was with the implicit promise that I would care for him, not just as a pet but a member of my family; for in domesticating him, I have made him completely dependent upon me. In this respect, the rule is simple: I will do without everything, before my dog wants for anything.

When I took responsibility for my dog, the first thing I did was to obtain insurance with VPI (Veterinary Pet Insurance). The policy costs approximately $700.00 per year, including coverage for cancer. Happily, in the eight years that I have had my dog, I have never had to use it; and I shall have no regret for the expense, for my dog is priceless.

Wow, you've spent $5,600 to date on health insurance for your dog? At that rate it seems you'ld have been better off self insuring. I do applaud your dedication to your pet though.

but self insuring wouldn't allow the animal lovers to tell people how much they love their pets.

$5600 invested would go further, but I suppose, if a dog is worth mortgaging my kid's future... :roll:

Not everyone has kids!!! To me a dog > kids. I agree with Wolfman on dogs. I would never pay for insurance for him, but then again I wouldn't pay for insurance for myself. :lol: I do so love my dog and will do all in my power to insure that he is fed, watered, and all around properly taken care of. However if the time came that he was in excruciating pain, I would simply have him put down. No need to allow him to linger on suffering (I also find it funny how so many people support that position with animals, but call it murder when a human does it to another human)

Because who are you to decide when someone should die?

If someone decides that they don't want to live anymore (execruciating pain, etc) what is wrong with contracting with another human being to help them achieve such a goal?

Leon Czolgosz · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 190

it's the same as putting a contract out. Hired killers are still killers, whether or not the person killed put the contract out or someone else did.

it's different from animals because animals don't have souls.

Protostar · Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject:

Leon Czolgosz wrote: it's the same as putting a contract out. Hired killers are still killers, whether or not the person killed put the contract out or someone else did.

it's different from animals because animals don't have souls.

It is different. There is a difference between taking someones life w/o their permission, and helping them do it with their permission.

KOV-14 · Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 133

My 13 year old dog has cancer and we pay about $200 everytime we take him to the vet for treatment/threapy. (which is about 3 times a week.) No one in my family ever questioned if it was worth it.

George W Bush · Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject:

you know whats not unbelievable: the attitude that animals are as expendable as used magazines.

This position doesnt surprise me.

What surprises me is the what suprises those that have the philosophy that animals are house ornaments, that I - as an animal lover - would sacrifice alot to keep an animal alive.

I say to them, look around you. We have zoos, "animal planet" channel. Theres people that live for animals.

Regardless of how THEY see animals, I just cant believe they would think that caring for them was some alien characteristic.

Are they looking for some magic perception that will open their mind? Or are they looking to argue about the virtues of animals versus their well being.

Without animals, were just people - and that s*cks.

Like someone else said before, if you are that stupid to own an animal you cannot afford to keep alive - your judgements screwed up - I doubt you should even have kids.

Thats just my opinion. So, I could care less how you feel about my affinity towards animals.

George W Bush · Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject:

KOV-14 wrote: My 13 year old dog has cancer and we pay about $200 everytime we take him to the vet for treatment/threapy. (which is about 3 times a week.) No one in my family ever questioned if it was worth it.

Hows he holding up? Wish the best for him.

I know you know this but dont let these fools bully you into thinking any less about your decision to care for your pet. Pets are family and thats a good thing.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

Protostar wrote: OneZero wrote: Protostar wrote: Leon Czolgosz wrote: Winchester wrote: Wolfman wrote: When I took my dog into my home, it was with the implicit promise that I would care for him, not just as a pet but a member of my family; for in domesticating him, I have made him completely dependent upon me. In this respect, the rule is simple: I will do without everything, before my dog wants for anything.

When I took responsibility for my dog, the first thing I did was to obtain insurance with VPI (Veterinary Pet Insurance). The policy costs approximately $700.00 per year, including coverage for cancer. Happily, in the eight years that I have had my dog, I have never had to use it; and I shall have no regret for the expense, for my dog is priceless.

Wow, you've spent $5,600 to date on health insurance for your dog? At that rate it seems you'ld have been better off self insuring. I do applaud your dedication to your pet though.

but self insuring wouldn't allow the animal lovers to tell people how much they love their pets.

$5600 invested would go further, but I suppose, if a dog is worth mortgaging my kid's future... :roll:

Not everyone has kids!!! To me a dog > kids. I agree with Wolfman on dogs. I would never pay for insurance for him, but then again I wouldn't pay for insurance for myself. :lol: I do so love my dog and will do all in my power to insure that he is fed, watered, and all around properly taken care of. However if the time came that he was in excruciating pain, I would simply have him put down. No need to allow him to linger on suffering (I also find it funny how so many people support that position with animals, but call it murder when a human does it to another human)

Because who are you to decide when someone should die?

If someone decides that they don't want to live anymore (execruciating pain, etc) what is wrong with contracting with another human being to help them achieve such a goal?

That's different than what you originally said, that is the person themselves deciding.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

KOV-14 wrote: My 13 year old dog has cancer and we pay about $200 everytime we take him to the vet for treatment/threapy. (which is about 3 times a week.) No one in my family ever questioned if it was worth it.

Your dedication to your dog is admirable, just don't necessarily expect me to do the same thing.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

George W Bush wrote: KOV-14 wrote: My 13 year old dog has cancer and we pay about $200 everytime we take him to the vet for treatment/threapy. (which is about 3 times a week.) No one in my family ever questioned if it was worth it.

Hows he holding up? Wish the best for him.

I know you know this but dont let these fools bully you into thinking any less about your decision to care for your pet. Pets are family and thats a good thing.

Gotta question for you George; choice between your dog and your kid, which do you pick? Why?

KOV-14 · Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 133

George W Bush wrote: KOV-14 wrote: My 13 year old dog has cancer and we pay about $200 everytime we take him to the vet for treatment/threapy. (which is about 3 times a week.) No one in my family ever questioned if it was worth it.

Hows he holding up? Wish the best for him.

I know you know this but dont let these fools bully you into thinking any less about your decision to care for your pet. Pets are family and thats a good thing.

Thanks man :-D

He's doing great, the doctors suggested we amputate his leg (back, left side) but my mom said she'd rather die than to see our beautiful dog jumping/hopping around with his leg cut off. I mean he's 13 already and whether he amputated his leg or not, he wasn't going to live any longer than a year anyways we concluded. (Golden Retriever = usually dies at age 12.)

Before we discovered that he had cancer, I had donated money to various animal sanctuaries/shelters (I volunteered at one of them for a month, full-time) and some donations were to treating elderly Golden Retrievers with cancer, so I guess God is now rewarding me for my past good deeds by keeping my dog alive and well ;) (Perhaps)

"The more people I meet... More I like my dog." (j/k but I generally like dogs more than people...)

KOV-14 · Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 133

OneZero wrote: George W Bush wrote: KOV-14 wrote: My 13 year old dog has cancer and we pay about $200 everytime we take him to the vet for treatment/threapy. (which is about 3 times a week.) No one in my family ever questioned if it was worth it.

Hows he holding up? Wish the best for him.

I know you know this but dont let these fools bully you into thinking any less about your decision to care for your pet. Pets are family and thats a good thing.

Gotta question for you George; choice between your dog and your kid, which do you pick? Why?

I know my name isn't George but if it was between my dog or my cousin, I'd save my dog. lol.

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

KOV-14 wrote: OneZero wrote: George W Bush wrote: KOV-14 wrote: My 13 year old dog has cancer and we pay about $200 everytime we take him to the vet for treatment/threapy. (which is about 3 times a week.) No one in my family ever questioned if it was worth it.

Hows he holding up? Wish the best for him.

I know you know this but dont let these fools bully you into thinking any less about your decision to care for your pet. Pets are family and thats a good thing.

Gotta question for you George; choice between your dog and your kid, which do you pick? Why?

I know my name isn't George but if it was between my dog or my cousin, I'd save my dog. lol.

haha, good point, but that's why I didn't say cousin. :wink:

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

KOV-14 wrote: OneZero wrote: George W Bush wrote: KOV-14 wrote: My 13 year old dog has cancer and we pay about $200 everytime we take him to the vet for treatment/threapy. (which is about 3 times a week.) No one in my family ever questioned if it was worth it.

Hows he holding up? Wish the best for him.

I know you know this but dont let these fools bully you into thinking any less about your decision to care for your pet. Pets are family and thats a good thing.

Gotta question for you George; choice between your dog and your kid, which do you pick? Why?

I know my name isn't George but if it was between my dog or my cousin, I'd save my dog. lol.

And btw, just to set the record straight I do applaud and admire you for your dedication, I truly do! If I had money and was faced with a similar situation I would pay for the treatments as well. If it was a choice between the dog and my kid's future, well, hard as it may be at the time I'd have to choose the kid. :)

Protostar · Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject:

OneZero wrote: Protostar wrote: OneZero wrote: Protostar wrote: Leon Czolgosz wrote: Winchester wrote: Wolfman wrote: When I took my dog into my home, it was with the implicit promise that I would care for him, not just as a pet but a member of my family; for in domesticating him, I have made him completely dependent upon me. In this respect, the rule is simple: I will do without everything, before my dog wants for anything.

When I took responsibility for my dog, the first thing I did was to obtain insurance with VPI (Veterinary Pet Insurance). The policy costs approximately $700.00 per year, including coverage for cancer. Happily, in the eight years that I have had my dog, I have never had to use it; and I shall have no regret for the expense, for my dog is priceless.

Wow, you've spent $5,600 to date on health insurance for your dog? At that rate it seems you'ld have been better off self insuring. I do applaud your dedication to your pet though.

but self insuring wouldn't allow the animal lovers to tell people how much they love their pets.

$5600 invested would go further, but I suppose, if a dog is worth mortgaging my kid's future... :roll:

Not everyone has kids!!! To me a dog > kids. I agree with Wolfman on dogs. I would never pay for insurance for him, but then again I wouldn't pay for insurance for myself. :lol: I do so love my dog and will do all in my power to insure that he is fed, watered, and all around properly taken care of. However if the time came that he was in excruciating pain, I would simply have him put down. No need to allow him to linger on suffering (I also find it funny how so many people support that position with animals, but call it murder when a human does it to another human)

Because who are you to decide when someone should die?

If someone decides that they don't want to live anymore (execruciating pain, etc) what is wrong with contracting with another human being to help them achieve such a goal?

That's different than what you originally said, that is the person themselves deciding.

Thats actually what I meant in my original statement, but I guess I wasn't specific enough.

KOV-14 · Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 133

OneZero wrote: KOV-14 wrote: OneZero wrote: George W Bush wrote: KOV-14 wrote: My 13 year old dog has cancer and we pay about $200 everytime we take him to the vet for treatment/threapy. (which is about 3 times a week.) No one in my family ever questioned if it was worth it.

Hows he holding up? Wish the best for him.

I know you know this but dont let these fools bully you into thinking any less about your decision to care for your pet. Pets are family and thats a good thing.

Gotta question for you George; choice between your dog and your kid, which do you pick? Why?

I know my name isn't George but if it was between my dog or my cousin, I'd save my dog. lol.

And btw, just to set the record straight I do applaud and admire you for your dedication, I truly do! If I had money and was faced with a similar situation I would pay for the treatments as well. If it was a choice between the dog and my kid's future, well, hard as it may be at the time I'd have to choose the kid. :)

Thanks :)

But actually, because of this, my credit card is maxed out ($10,000/month) and my rent is 3 months overdue...

Leon Czolgosz · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 190

George W Bush wrote: you know whats not unbelievable: the attitude that animals are as expendable as used magazines.

This position doesnt surprise me.

What surprises me is the what suprises those that have the philosophy that animals are house ornaments, that I - as an animal lover - would sacrifice alot to keep an animal alive.

I say to them, look around you. We have zoos, "animal planet" channel. Theres people that live for animals.

Regardless of how THEY see animals, I just cant believe they would think that caring for them was some alien characteristic.

Are they looking for some magic perception that will open their mind? Or are they looking to argue about the virtues of animals versus their well being.

Without animals, were just people - and that s*cks.

Like someone else said before, if you are that stupid to own an animal you cannot afford to keep alive - your judgements screwed up - I doubt you should even have kids.

Thats just my opinion. So, I could care less how you feel about my affinity towards animals.

Because they are expendable. a replacement dog is as cheap as shots for worms and the cost of spay or nuetering. They aren't disposable, but they are expendable.