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[connermt]

What is the Christian opinion of ghosts?

[perdidochas]

connermt wrote: What is the Christian opinion of ghosts?

They don't exist.

[Todd D.]

perdidochas wrote: connermt wrote: What is the Christian opinion of ghosts?

They don't exist.
Answer.

Reminds me of a quote from Dogma said by Alan Rickman (playing the "Voice of God"): "Anytime someone claims that they were speaking to God they were speaking to me......or they were just talking to themselves."

I believe in Marian Aparitions/Manifestations of Christ/etc (though I should point out that I don't believe ALL of them are legit), but "ghosts"? No, not real.

[connermt]

perdidochas wrote: connermt wrote: What is the Christian opinion of ghosts?

They don't exist.


To say they don't exists infers that there is proof of such - where is it?

[Todd D.]

connermt wrote: perdidochas wrote: connermt wrote: What is the Christian opinion of ghosts?

They don't exist.


To say they don't exists infers that there is proof of such - where is it?
Um, no it infers that there is a lack of proof of such. You can not prove a negative. There is no evidence of ghosts existing, thus I conclude that they do not exist.

[John]

connermt wrote: What is the Christian opinion of ghosts?

I believe that they're demons.

[perdidochas]

connermt wrote: perdidochas wrote: connermt wrote: What is the Christian opinion of ghosts?

They don't exist.


To say they don't exists infers that there is proof of such - where is it?

Ok, I should have said, there is no evidence that they exist.

[feederband]

Hmmm ghost, I think I would put that in the same group as Toothfairy, Mr. clause, chupacabra, easterbunny, god, E.T... Just more usless crap to fill your brain up with....

[connermt]

Todd D. wrote: connermt wrote: perdidochas wrote: connermt wrote: What is the Christian opinion of ghosts?

They don't exist.


To say they don't exists infers that there is proof of such - where is it?
Um, no it infers that there is a lack of proof of such. You can not prove a negative. There is no evidence of ghosts existing, thus I conclude that they do not exist.

But there is no proof to show 100% that they don't exist either. Thus I could conclude that there is no REAL answer, one way or the other
Actually, in a way, there is more proof that they DO exists (pictures, videos, witness accounts, EMFs, EVPs, etc.) than there is showing they DON'T exists (people saying so).

To say Quote: They don't exist. is a definate response. In order to rightly & definately say this, there needs to be proof. This statement doesn't "...infers that there is a lack of proof of such."

[Todd D.]

Quote: But there is no proof to show 100% that they don't exist either. Thus I could conclude that there is no REAL answer
No, that's not how it works. You need evidence before you can suggest something, otherwise it is merely fictitious conjecture. You can't 100% prove that I am not right behind you wearing an invisibility cloak, but you would say that is "not true" because there is no evidence to support it.

Quote: Actually, there is more in the way of proof that they DO exists (pictures, videos, witness accounts, etc.) than there is showing they DON'T exists (people saying so).
Other than cons, photographic errors, etc, there is not ONE verifiable piece of evidence to support the existence of ghosts.

[perdidochas]

connermt wrote: Todd D. wrote: connermt wrote: perdidochas wrote: connermt wrote: What is the Christian opinion of ghosts?

They don't exist.


To say they don't exists infers that there is proof of such - where is it?
Um, no it infers that there is a lack of proof of such. You can not prove a negative. There is no evidence of ghosts existing, thus I conclude that they do not exist.

But there is no proof to show 100% that they don't exist either. Thus I could conclude that there is no REAL answer
Actually, there is more in the way of proof that they DO exists (pictures, videos, witness accounts, etc.) than there is showing they DON'T exists (people saying so).

The evidence isn't very strong for their existence. There is no way to prove they don't exist. We just presume it unless the preponderance of evidence shows that they exist.

[connermt]

Todd D. wrote: Quote: But there is no proof to show 100% that they don't exist either. Thus I could conclude that there is no REAL answer
No, that's not how it works. You need evidence before you can suggest something, otherwise it is merely fictitious conjecture. You can't 100% prove that I am not right behind you wearing an invisibility cloak, but you would say that is "not true" because there is no evidence to support it.

Quote: Actually, there is more in the way of proof that they DO exists (pictures, videos, witness accounts, etc.) than there is showing they DON'T exists (people saying so).
Other than cons, photographic errors, etc, there is not ONE verifiable piece of evidence to support the existence of ghosts.

Pics & videos are more than enough evidence to some. So do you (general term) want to discount evidence because you don't agree it is genuine?

I can prove you are right behind me, cloak or not, if I swing a bat at you & hit you. :wink:

What is verifiable evidence? There is evidence out there that can be explained & some others that can't be explained. Verifiable seems to be a relative term then.
If I have a picture that is not expalined & someone telling me it is not true because they say so, what, logically, would a person believe?
'The proof is in the pudding' as they say. While a pic only suggest what might be, someone saying NO is even less valuable

[connermt]

perdidochas wrote: connermt wrote: Todd D. wrote: connermt wrote: perdidochas wrote: connermt wrote: What is the Christian opinion of ghosts?

They don't exist.


To say they don't exists infers that there is proof of such - where is it?
Um, no it infers that there is a lack of proof of such. You can not prove a negative. There is no evidence of ghosts existing, thus I conclude that they do not exist.

But there is no proof to show 100% that they don't exist either. Thus I could conclude that there is no REAL answer
Actually, there is more in the way of proof that they DO exists (pictures, videos, witness accounts, etc.) than there is showing they DON'T exists (people saying so).

The evidence isn't very strong for their existence. There is no way to prove they don't exist. We just presume it unless the preponderance of evidence shows that they exist.
Well said. I agree there isn't much 'good' proof of their existance, simplying saying NO w/o any reason is no more effective prooving they DON'T exists than the pics that aren't great at prooving the DO exists

[perdidochas]

connermt wrote: perdidochas wrote: connermt wrote: Todd D. wrote: connermt wrote: perdidochas wrote: connermt wrote: What is the Christian opinion of ghosts?

They don't exist.


To say they don't exists infers that there is proof of such - where is it?
Um, no it infers that there is a lack of proof of such. You can not prove a negative. There is no evidence of ghosts existing, thus I conclude that they do not exist.

But there is no proof to show 100% that they don't exist either. Thus I could conclude that there is no REAL answer
Actually, there is more in the way of proof that they DO exists (pictures, videos, witness accounts, etc.) than there is showing they DON'T exists (people saying so).

The evidence isn't very strong for their existence. There is no way to prove they don't exist. We just presume it unless the preponderance of evidence shows that they exist.
Well said. I agree there isn't much 'good' proof of their existance, simplying saying NO w/o any reason is no more effective prooving they DON'T exists than the pics that aren't great at prooving the DO exists

Your initial opinion was what was the Christian opinion of ghosts. I told you this Christian's opinion about ghosts, which is that they don't exist. I can't fit them into Christian theology. Personally, I'm with John, I think most are demons. I don't deny that there are spirits that interact with the living. My doubts are that ghosts, which are the spirits of once living humans, exist. That photographic evidence of ghosts, IMHO, is photographic evidence of a demon.

[Todd D.]

Quote: Pics & videos are more than enough evidence to some. So do you (general term) want to discount evidence because you don't agree it is genuine?
No, I go further than that, I'll call the people that think it is geniune to be stupid. 99.999 times out of 100, any amateur photographer can tell you what is wrong with the pictures provided. Shoot, I can show you pictures of Brittney Spears gettin raw and dirty with Lindsay Lohan, but it is an obvious forgery and nobody would take it as "genuine" proof. It takes more than that to assert the existence of the paranormal.

Quote: I can prove you are right behind me, cloak or not, if I swing a bat at you & hit you.
Yes, if you hit me the it is proof of the assertion, but if you "miss" is it proof that I am not there? Of course not. I could say that I moved, I could say that I am a hologram, I could say that you did hit me and just didn't feel it. Again, absense of proof, yet you can safely say that I am not there.

Quote: What is verifiable evidence? There is evidence out there that can be explained & some others that can't be explained. Verifiable seems to be a relative term then.
Verifiable means that it was in a controlled environment where the elimination of the various variables have been eliminated. It is not "relative" in any way.

Quote: If I have a picture that is not expalined & someone telling me it is not true because they say so, what, logically, would a person believe?
Depends on the evidence presented.

John, you said something that interests me. You said that you believe "Ghosts" are in actuality Demons. Would you include Marian Apparitions in that category as well?

[feederband]

Todd D. wrote: Shoot, I can show you pictures of Brittney Spears gettin raw and dirty with Lindsay Lohan,

:lol: Please do... :wink:

[John]

Quote: John, you said something that interests me. You said that you believe "Ghosts" are in actuality Demons. Would you include Marian Apparitions in that category as well?

I dunno...but I'm convinced that UFO and Alien abductions are.

[Gilbert1908]

connermt wrote:

But there is no proof to show 100% that they don't exist either. Thus I could conclude that there is no REAL answer, one way or the other
Actually, in a way, there is more proof that they DO exists (pictures, videos, witness accounts, EMFs, EVPs, etc.) than there is showing they DON'T exists (people saying so).

To say Quote: They don't exist. is a definate response. In order to rightly & definately say this, there needs to be proof. This statement doesn't "...infers that there is a lack of proof of such."

All of the above is a perfectly non religious argument for the existence of God, which would eliminate atheism as a choice.

[Enoch]

Todd D. wrote: No, I go further than that, I'll call the people that think it is geniune to be stupid. 99.999 times out of 100, any amateur photographer can tell you what is wrong with the pictures provided. Shoot, I can show you pictures of Brittney Spears gettin raw and dirty with Lindsay Lohan, but it is an obvious forgery and nobody would take it as "genuine" proof. It takes more than that to assert the existence of the paranormal.

I have a lot of personal experience with ghosts (or spirits, if you will). I have personally felt them, communicated with them, seen manifestations of their presence, and taken photographs of them.

I don't care, one bit, whether or not you believe me. But, rest assured, I am not stupid.

[Gilbert1908]

feederband wrote: Todd D. wrote: Shoot, I can show you pictures of Brittney Spears gettin raw and dirty with Lindsay Lohan,

:lol: Please do... :wink:

There are more sins here than I can count. LOL