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Freeyourmind · Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Posts: 74

Am I the only one who stands dumbfounded at the decision by the Senate to allow oil drilling in an Alaskan nature reserve?

How can the American people just stand by while Bush seeks to strip every last resource from the planet?

What is wrong with everyone? Has apathy become the latest trend?

ForestGump · Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 2611

THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

Freeyourmind · Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Posts: 74

ForestGump wrote: THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

So let me get this right. You would actually agree with drilling in nature preserves to get a few million barrels of oil, instead of researching alternative energy sources to break your countrys reliance on oil?

I can see it now. Your grandkids will come to you and say, 'Grandad, what does a moose look like? Whay are there no trees in America anymore?'. And you'll sit there and wonder when it was you stopped caring about your planet and why you let it happen.

ForestGump · Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 2611

Freeyourmind wrote: ForestGump wrote: THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

So let me get this right. You would actually agree with drilling in nature preserves to get a few million barrels of oil, instead of researching alternative energy sources to break your countrys reliance on oil?

I can see it now. Your grandkids will come to you and say, 'Grandad, what does a moose look like? Whay are there no trees in America anymore?'. And you'll sit there and wonder when it was you stopped caring about your planet and why you let it happen.

I can see it now, your grandkids are going to look back and laugh at your retro-stupidity (similar at how we look back at the 1920s communist party in America). Innefectual, weak willed, weak theories.

Diogenes · Joined: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 682 Location: USA

Freeyourmind wrote: How can the American people just stand by while Bush seeks to strip every last resource from the planet?
Whether you leave the resource in the ground or use it up, the end result is that you don't have the use of it any more. Why do environmentalists think it is better to suffer the shortages sooner rather than later?

Foxtrot · Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 160 Location: Northeast Oklahoma

And Bush is the only person on the planet going after oil. Ho Hum

Go back and read the fine print when they established Anwar. Oil production was in there at that time.

And anyone who has any knowledge about modern drilling wouldn't be making these idiotic statements. Do a little research and be informed instead of doing a knee jerk reaction.

So we drill there, we create more American jobs and help our economy and maybe not have to buy some foreign oil. The location of the site and the conditions don't make it a Yellowstone with pump jacks at Old Faithful.

David · Joined: 28 Dec 2003 Posts: 12385 Location: Louisiana

Freeyourmind wrote: ForestGump wrote: THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

So let me get this right. You would actually agree with drilling in nature preserves to get a few million barrels of oil, instead of researching alternative energy sources to break your countrys reliance on oil?

I can see it now. Your grandkids will come to you and say, 'Grandad, what does a moose look like? Whay are there no trees in America anymore?'. And you'll sit there and wonder when it was you stopped caring about your planet and why you let it happen.

There are no Moose there.They are reindeer and it's a proven fact that they thrive more arouind the technology we install.The herds have grown where the pipeline was built and the same will happen in the Anwar.

DMG2FUN · Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 349 Location: AZ

Freeyourmind wrote: instead of researching alternative energy sources to break your countrys reliance on oil?
This is exactly what is wrong with tree huggers. Now tree huggers if you want alternative energy sources then develop them yourselves. When the automotive and electric systems of this country were developed there was no cry of develop alternative energy sources. People seen the need for these industries and developed them.
So tree huggers if you want solar power and electric cars then you put up the needed money and develop them yourselves.
Freeyourmind wrote: I can see it now. Your grandkids will come to you and say, 'Grandad, what does a moose look like?
This happens a lot when grand kids ask where are the dinosaurs. Extinction is part of the evolutionary process.
Freeyourmind wrote: Whay are there no trees in America anymore?'.
There are more forest now then before this country was a nation.
Freeyourmind wrote: And you'll sit there and wonder when it was you stopped caring about your planet and why you let it happen.
Sure whatever! Most people that chant this all ready have their homes in the forest, they chant save the earth bs to keep others from putting a home next to theirs in the forest.

newton · Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Drilling in Alaska

Freeyourmind wrote: Am I the only one who stands dumbfounded at the decision by the Senate to allow oil drilling in an Alaskan nature reserve?

How can the American people just stand by while Bush seeks to strip every last resource from the planet?

What is wrong with everyone? Has apathy become the latest trend?

The reserve is big...The drilling station is small. It doesen't hurt if you stick the giant with a sewing needle

JDnCoke · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 1153 Location: Oxford, Queen's

Mmmm the smell of denial with a dash of ignorance in the morning. Don't worry lads, one day.

newton · Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:18 pm Post subject:

Quote: 1. Only 8% of ANWR Would Be Considered for Exploration Only the 1.5 million acre or 8% on the northern coast of ANWR is being considered for development. The remaining 17.5 million acres or 92% of ANWR will remain permanently closed to any kind of development. If oil is discovered, less than 2000 acres of the over 1.5 million acres of the Coastal Plain would be affected. That¹s less than half of one percent of ANWR that would be affected by production activity.

www.anwr.org

ReelBigSpikey · Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 1877

I'm not completely up to date on the new bill, but if it is anything like the old bill, that 2000 acres line is pure and complete bulls**t. That 2000 acres only counts the acrage of ground DIRECTLY TOUCHED BY EQUIPMENT, not including roads. So if there is a 1000 acre area fenced off and crisscrossed by roads and pipelines, only the acre or so that is actually covered by equipment is counted as developed area. It is really a sham.

ForestGump · Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 2611

ReelBigSpikey wrote: I'm not completely up to date on the new bill, but if it is anything like the old bill, that 2000 acres line is pure and complete bulls**t. That 2000 acres only counts the acrage of ground DIRECTLY TOUCHED BY EQUIPMENT, not including roads. So if there is a 1000 acre area fenced off and crisscrossed by roads and pipelines, only the acre or so that is actually covered by equipment is counted as developed area. It is really a sham.

Yeah, all in the name of "progress"

GTTofAK · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 5968 Location: Alaska

Freeyourmind wrote: I can see it now. Your grandkids will come to you and say, 'Grandad, what does a moose look like? Whay are there no trees in America anymore?'. And you'll sit there and wonder when it was you stopped caring about your planet and why you let it happen.

Can you tell me where the largest moose population in the world is? Well as the boards resident Alaskan and moose murderer I can. The largest moose population in the world is within the city limits of the developed city of Anchorage Alaska pop 260283 and thats only year round. Some suspect the summer population is as high as 750,000.

ReelBigSpikey wrote: So if there is a 1000 acre area fenced off and crisscrossed by roads and pipelines, only the acre or so that is actually covered by equipment is counted as developed area. It is really a sham.

I drive down a road with a pipeline parreling it every time I go to murder moose. It ins't fenced off nor does it seem to be effecting the environment at all. In fact I love to take that rout because the of the view of the pipeline.

poly_nightmare · Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 474 Location: New York

Is opening ANWR going to lower our prices in the short term? Say one year. You really can't based over a couple of months since the summer is coming and prices will go up during the summer. So will gas prices be lower in a year?

newton · Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:13 am Post subject:

poly_nightmare wrote: Is opening ANWR going to lower our prices in the short term? Say one year. You really can't based over a couple of months since the summer is coming and prices will go up during the summer. So will gas prices be lower in a year?

Nothings going to happen in the short term. nothing ever happens in the short term, especially when it involves the government.

Sostratos · Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 15 Location: New Mexico

Drilling in ANWR is a form of extreme stupidity. It will not even help us with our oil situation. It will take ten years for the operations up there to become functional so we start getting oil from those 2000 acres in 2015. At its best ANWR will only produce 875,000 barrels a day compared to our need of 83.5 million barrels right now. And the needed amount of oil is expected to rise to 120 million by then with the US needing 35 million barrels a day. And also ANWR will only be producing those 875,000 barrels a day around 2025. So is drilling in ANWR a solution. No it only continues to destroy the environment. And it will only lower gas prices by fifty cents for a short time.

DMG2FUN · Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 349 Location: AZ

Sostratos wrote: Drilling in ANWR is a form of extreme stupidity. It will not even help us with our oil situation.
This is tree hugger logic for you. The oil business does what? Look for places to drill for oil to not make a profit?
How do you figure it will not help our so called situation?

next_exit · Joined: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 54 Location: Wilmington, NC

ANWR drilling will help in the short term but isn't worth the long-term damage, both literally and to the American way of thinking. If we keep searching for quick fixes such as this then we're going to keep heading toward oblivion. While I'm not as convinced of the destruction as most environmentalists, I do think drilling is a bad idea and that we need to look for alternatives before it IS too late.

JDnCoke · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 1153 Location: Oxford, Queen's

DMG2FUN wrote: This is tree hugger logic for you. The oil business does what? Look for places to drill for oil to not make a profit?
How do you figure it will not help our so called situation?

This is typical short-termist logic for you. Whats the point in finding a permanent and logic solution to our energy problems, with all the research thats been done? Nah too sensible, lets live on the edge and use all our available resources up while at the same time dooming the planet to catastrophic climatic change. Wow we're such rebels!