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Wolverine · Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 10835 Location: Podunk, Colorado

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We recommend the following varieties to give you the most squash for your cash:

Rambo Red
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Cherry Bomb
Explodes into a pulpy mess on impact.

The "Terminator"
"I’ll be back"—exactly the body part this juicy number likes to land on.

Beefsteak
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Salad
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Hmmm..... is it just me or is PETA encouraging the destruction of private property? Isn't that a bit extreme?
Don't they realize that people will buy more fur coats, thus encouraging more insignificant animal to be killed for their fur?

I don't see the NRA posting on the NRA homepage ".... the 7.62 NATO will punch a hole in Level III body armor, use this for when they come for your guns....".

George W Bush

Wolverine wrote: Quote: Choose Your Tomato Torpedo!
We recommend the following varieties to give you the most squash for your cash:

Rambo Red
This veteran of the fur wars is guaranteed to generate the highest dry-cleaning bills.
Cherry Bomb
Explodes into a pulpy mess on impact.

The "Terminator"
"I’ll be back"—exactly the body part this juicy number likes to land on.

Beefsteak
A prime favorite in steakhouse cloakrooms

Salad
Best when tossed, of course

Apple
An extra-squishy cultivar packed with shower power.
http://www.peta.org/feat/petatomato/

Hmmm..... is it just me or is PETA encouraging the destruction of private property? Isn't that a bit extreme?
Don't they realize that people will buy more fur coats, thus encouraging more insignificant animal to be killed for their fur?

I don't see the NRA posting on the NRA homepage ".... the 7.62 NATO will punch a hole in Level III body armor, use this for when they come for your guns....".

its just you.

Leon Czolgosz · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 190

no, it's just you W.

It seems your PETA supporting, animal rights agenda is corrupting your reality. YOu have place animals on a pedestal equal to humans.

Let me ask this, do you think humans own pets, or do you think humans are the pet's gaurdians?

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

Leon Czolgosz wrote: no, it's just you W.

It seems your PETA supporting, animal rights agenda is corrupting your reality. YOu have place animals on a pedestal equal to humans.

Let me ask this, do you think humans own pets, or do you think humans are the pet's gaurdians?

Wow, good question!

Infinite911911 · Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject:

Leon Czolgosz wrote:
Let me ask this, do you think humans own pets, or do you think humans are the pet's gaurdians?

No one "owns" any living thing (animal), if you believe otherwise then you'd make a great slave owner. We are a pets guardian, we are there to ensure the pet has the very best life possible.

The friendship of a dog is a precious gift demanding no less binding moral responsibilities than the friendship of a human being.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15326 Location: Florida

Infinite911911 wrote: Leon Czolgosz wrote:
Let me ask this, do you think humans own pets, or do you think humans are the pet's gaurdians?

No one "owns" any living thing (animal), if you believe otherwise then you'd make a great slave owner. We are a pets guardian, we are there to ensure the pet has the very best life possible.

The friendship of a dog is a precious gift demanding no less binding moral responsibilities than the friendship of a human being.

Bull. Legally, I'm the owner of two cats and a dog. I have legal evidence of it.

Infinite911911 · Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject:

perdidochas wrote:

Bull. Legally, I'm the owner of two cats and a dog. I have legal evidence of it.

Law is something made by man, life isn't.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15326 Location: Florida

Infinite911911 wrote: perdidochas wrote:

Bull. Legally, I'm the owner of two cats and a dog. I have legal evidence of it.

Law is something made by man, life isn't.

Practically speaking, I own them as well. My dog can't leave my yard without my letting him. My cats can't either. I own them. If I wanted to, I could have all three of them put to sleep within a few hours. They are totally under my control.

Also, under what guidelines does this apply to me. "We are a pets guardian, we are there to ensure the pet has the very best life possible. "

I guarantee that I don't do the above. I intentionally buy the cheapest dogfood and catfood I can. My dog stays outside, even when it's thundering and lightning outside.

My pets are my property, plain and simple. I treat them like I do my TV and computer--things for my enjoyment.

BastionOfSanity · Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject:

perdidochas wrote: Infinite911911 wrote: perdidochas wrote:

Bull. Legally, I'm the owner of two cats and a dog. I have legal evidence of it.

Law is something made by man, life isn't.

Practically speaking, I own them as well. My dog can't leave my yard without my letting him. My cats can't either. I own them. If I wanted to, I could have all three of them put to sleep within a few hours. They are totally under my control.

Also, under what guidelines does this apply to me. "We are a pets guardian, we are there to ensure the pet has the very best life possible. "

I guarantee that I don't do the above. I intentionally buy the cheapest dogfood and catfood I can. My dog stays outside, even when it's thundering and lightning outside.

My pets are my property, plain and simple. I treat them like I do my TV and computer--things for my enjoyment.

Just like I treat my slaves!

Infinite911911 · Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject:

perdidochas wrote: My dog stays outside, even when it's thundering and lightning outside.

That's nice, PM me your address as that’s against the LAW in many places as you are endangering that animal.

perdidochas wrote: BLAH BLAH BLAH

Let me ask you something, do you own your Daughter or Son, if you don't have kids then do your parents own you?

OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

I own a gecko, it cannot eat or drink unless I give it food and water. I can easily kill it without fear of legal prosecution.

My parents do not own me, they had legal guardianship up till a certain age, when I could be expected to make my own decisions.

Wolverine · Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 10835 Location: Podunk, Colorado

Infinite911911 wrote:
No one "owns" any living thing (animal), if you believe otherwise then you'd make a great slave owner. We are a pets guardian, we are there to ensure the pet has the very best life possible.
If you take a shot, but you aim too high, it flies over the hill, and kills Fluffy, Fluffy's owners can use you for property damages. If you steal someones animals, they sue you for property theft. Is it just me, or does that sound like animals are property?

Quote: That's nice, PM me your address as that’s against the LAW in many places as you are endangering that animal.
Do you know how many ranchers leave their livestock outside during storms?

Infinite911911 · Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject:

OneZero wrote: I own a gecko, it cannot eat or drink unless I give it food and water. I can easily kill it without fear of legal prosecution.

The assumption that animals are without rights (where you can you can just leave it without food or water if you wish) and the illusion that our treatment of them has no moral significance is an outrageous example of Human crudity, barbarity and stupidity. You are it's Guardian, thus vowing to give it the best life possible, why else would you have gotten that gecko? Universal compassion is the only guarantee of morality, remember that.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15326 Location: Florida

Infinite911911 wrote: perdidochas wrote: My dog stays outside, even when it's thundering and lightning outside.

That's nice, PM me your address as that’s against the LAW in many places as you are endangering that animal.

It's not against the law here. If it were, no animal would ever be allowed to live outside. Thankfully I don't live where that is against the law.

Infinite911911 wrote: perdidochas wrote: BLAH BLAH BLAH

Let me ask you something, do you own your Daughter or Son, if you don't have kids then do your parents own you?

I do have kids. I don't own them, but then again, I didn't buy them from anybody, my wife and I made them (mainly her, but I was involved in the ordering process). Since humans have a soul (and are made in God's image), we cannot legitimately buy them. However, animals are ours. I bought the animals, so they are mine.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15326 Location: Florida

Infinite911911 wrote: OneZero wrote: I own a gecko, it cannot eat or drink unless I give it food and water. I can easily kill it without fear of legal prosecution.

The assumption that animals are without rights (where you can you can just leave it without food or water if you wish) and the illusion that our treatment of them has no moral significance is an outrageous example of Human crudity, barbarity and stupidity. You are it's Guardian, thus vowing to give it the best life possible, why else would you have gotten that gecko? Universal compassion is the only guarantee of morality, remember that.

I believe in human compassion, but it's not for the animal's sake, it's for our sake. Cruelty to animals leads to cruelty in people. Animals are without rights, however, humans do have responsibilities. We are responsible to take a certain care for the animals that we do own. We need to feed them adequately, water them, provide them shelter, etc. We are not required to give them the "best life possible." However, this is because of our responsibility, not their rights. I have the right to put them all to sleep today.

Your "guardian" nonsense, is some of that Singerian philosophy that animal and human life is somehow equal. It's not. Animals are a lower rung of life, if only because they dont' have a sense of self.

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OneZero · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 3413

Infinite911911 wrote: OneZero wrote: I own a gecko, it cannot eat or drink unless I give it food and water. I can easily kill it without fear of legal prosecution.

The assumption that animals are without rights (where you can you can just leave it without food or water if you wish) and the illusion that our treatment of them has no moral significance is an outrageous example of Human crudity, barbarity and stupidity. You are it's Guardian, thus vowing to give it the best life possible, why else would you have gotten that gecko? Universal compassion is the only guarantee of morality, remember that.

:lol: I didn't vow anything!

Ok, animals ARE without rights, but that doesn't mean we should treat them cruelly! I am as opposed to animal cruelty as you are, we just have different definitions of cruelty. Leaving a dog outside is not cruel, imo, unless it is overly hot or cold.

Leon Czolgosz · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 190

Infinite911911 wrote: perdidochas wrote: My dog stays outside, even when it's thundering and lightning outside.

That's nice, PM me your address as that’s against the LAW in many places as you are endangering that animal.

Someone call the animal police, I own an outside dog. Lock me up and throw away the key.

Animals are for humans needs, whether they are for food, entertainment, companionship, or tools to aid humans, (cadaver dogs, seeing eye dogs, ect)

But do not ever think that a dog will be put on the same level as a human as far as equality goes

If there is even a remote possibility that my dog has the secret cure to cancer in me or my family. I will slice and dice in a heartbeat and never worry about it, even if it's a dead end path it leads down

Wolverine · Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 10835 Location: Podunk, Colorado

It rained for the first time this year today...... oh my...... we left the ducks and geese out to fend for themselves. Someone call animal control! :lol:

Anyways, its nice to see that you ignored my posts Infinite911911, so I guess I will ask again.

If someone accidentally shoots your dog, are you going to sue them for the destruction of private property?
What if they purposely shoots your dogs?

Stygma · Joined: 28 Sep 2005 Posts: 1346 Location: Boulder, Colorado

Wolverine wrote: It rained for the first time this year today...... oh my...... we left the ducks and geese out to fend for themselves. Someone call animal control! :lol:

Anyways, its nice to see that you ignored my posts Infinite911911, so I guess I will ask again.

If someone accidentally shoots your dog, are you going to sue them for the destruction of private property?
What if they purposely shoots your dogs?

No, you prosecute them for manslaughter. :lol:

Wolverine · Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 10835 Location: Podunk, Colorado

Stygma wrote: Wolverine wrote: It rained for the first time this year today...... oh my...... we left the ducks and geese out to fend for themselves. Someone call animal control! :lol:

Anyways, its nice to see that you ignored my posts Infinite911911, so I guess I will ask again.

If someone accidentally shoots your dog, are you going to sue them for the destruction of private property?
What if they purposely shoots your dogs?

No, you prosecute them for manslaughter. :lol:
Or murder if they meant to do it... wait... that would be premeditated murder. :lol: