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John
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:56 am Post subject: |
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feederband wrote: John wrote: feederband wrote: John wrote: I think I'll continue to depend on God for EVERYTHING in my life. He only answers prayers that are in His will anyway.
Then why waste a prayer on you getting a home cooked meal when a good chunk of the planet is starving...Is this the best your god can do ?
Give a home cooked meal!!!! Pray for something that has real meaning instead of these petty things....Ask your god to do some of the great things...Supposabley he's done great things for people in the past...Why hasn't he done anything lately....? If he's involved in everything then he has only brought misery to his people...
You asked me to give you one example..and I gave you the latest example that I've personally experienced.
Why attack me? All I did was answer your question.
Do you think it would be wise to share something really personal with you?
You attacked me over little things....
Not attacking you ....Attacking what you pray for...Does it make much sense to pray for a home cooked meal when millions are starving....I'm just saying I think alot of people pray for such petty things and when they come true like the home cooked meal prayer the say it was a act of god...I had sister in law pray for a low interest rate on a car ...She got it...This is one of the reasons she says God exsists.. :roll: Pray for something with real meaning see if it happens... I'd be willing to bet it wont....
Why do you assume to know what I do and don't pray for?
And who are you to say what has real meaning and what doesn't?
Maybe a low interest rate was what your sister needed at that time. Who are you to say what kind of magnitude it will have in the long run. If it has changed her outlook on God. Who knows who she will have an effect on..over something as trivial as a car loan. |
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superchick
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:59 am Post subject: |
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http://www.exn.ca/Stories/2001/11/20/52.asp
OH looky, this one had the direct opposite outcome.
http://www.exn.ca/Stories/2001/11/20/52.asp |
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superchick
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For the Cynical-The Prayer Experiment
Spend 10 minutes each day in a quiet place, free from distractions and interruptions.
1. Each time, confess your sins and wholeheartedly commit yourself to God.
2. Each time, thank the Lord for all the blessings of your life, especially mentioning
three things for which you are thankful. Be specific.
a. __________________________________________
b. _________________________________________
c. _________________________________________
3. Each time, bring before the Lord those issues in your life that need focus, attention,
or guidance. Be specific. Imagine that the Lord is as concerned about each of them
as you are. Thank the Lord for His answer, whatever it may be.
a._________________________________________
b. _______________________________________
c.______________________________________
Try this for 30 days. Write down what you pray for each day. Keep a log. Give us the results in 30 days. |
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feederband
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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John wrote: Why do you assume to know what I do and don't pray for?
And who are you to say what has real meaning and what doesn't?
Maybe a low interest rate was what your sister needed at that time. Who are you to say what kind of magnitude it will have in the long run. If it has changed her outlook on God. Who knows who she will have an effect on..over something as trivial as a car loan.
Well I'm assuming you don't pray for the starving millions...And if you are then God rather give you a home cooked meal than to feed the person that is dieing right now while I'm typing this..
My sister in law didn't need the car...Her other car was 2 years old. If anything her not getting the car would of been the best thing...She traded in her car and ended up upside down on it...She can barley make the payments being she is a single mother..And borrows money from me that I know I'll never get back...Anyway did you enjoy your dinner... |
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Random Evil Guy
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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superchick wrote: http://www.exn.ca/Stories/2001/11/20/52.asp
OH looky, this one had the direct opposite outcome.
http://www.exn.ca/Stories/2001/11/20/52.asp
could you refer to the actualy study and in what peer-review scientific magazine it was published in?
i know there have been studies that showed a marginal difference, but the sample data was way too small and in other cases the study itself wasn't unbiased(placebo effect).
think of it this way; toss a coin ten times. if you get heads 7-8 times you might think that the coin might be biased, but the sample data is too small.every serious, and unbiased, study shows the same thing. prayer doesn't work... |
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John
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: Well I'm assuming you don't pray for the starving millions...
Well stop assuming..because you don't know what you're talking about. God will do what He will do in His own time. You can shake your fist and question His motives if you like...but I trust Him.
As for helping people here. Why don't you sponser a child? |
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feederband
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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John wrote: God will do what He will do in His own time.
Well get a chance tell God that people are dieing right now...Tell him to get off his ass now and do something... |
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feederband
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feederband wrote: John wrote: God will do what He will do in His own time.
Well get a chance tell God that people are dieing right now...Tell him to get off his a** now and do something... |
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feederband
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feederband wrote: feederband wrote: John wrote: God will do what He will do in His own time.
Well if you get a chance tell God that people are dieing right now...Tell him to get off his a** now and do something...
OOPS..Double post... |
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John
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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feederband wrote: John wrote: God will do what He will do in His own time.
Well get a chance tell God that people are dieing right now...Tell him to get off his ass now and do something...
What are you doing? Did you sign up to sponser one of those poor Dalit children?
Ah...I see...you would be more open to giving a starving child a meal if you were saved. Oh...guess getting people to accept the Lord has an effect on the starving after all. |
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feederband
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John wrote: feederband wrote: John wrote: God will do what He will do in His own time.
Well get a chance tell God that people are dieing right now...Tell him to get off his ass now and do something...
What are you doing? Did you sign up to sponser one of those poor Dalit children?
Ah...I see...you would be more open to giving a starving child a meal if you were saved. Oh...guess getting people to accept the Lord has an effect on the starving after all.
No your god should have the power to fix this...I have giving plenty of money to help people..I've gone to fast food places bought food and giving it to the homeless guy on the corner wuth the sign..More than once ...So I don't need to be "saved" to do this... |
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perdidochas
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feederband wrote: John wrote: feederband wrote: John wrote: Prayer works for me. :-D
It's AMAZING to see God answer prayer.
Which one did he answer...I hope it was aprayer that mattered..Like a cure for aids or feed the starving...
Which one? You mean today? :-D
Any Day....name a prayer that he answered for you....
I got a job the day before my son was born. |
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psholtz
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John wrote: Quote: Well I'm assuming you don't pray for the starving millions...
Well stop assuming..because you don't know what you're talking about. God will do what He will do in His own time. You can shake your fist and question His motives if you like...but I trust Him.
As for helping people here. Why don't you sponser a child?
Let's not..
Let's instead leave the Asians to practice their own religion.. I think "Gospel for Asia" has done enough damage as is.. |
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perdidochas
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feederband wrote: John wrote: feederband wrote: John wrote: God will do what He will do in His own time.
Well get a chance tell God that people are dieing right now...Tell him to get off his ass now and do something...
What are you doing? Did you sign up to sponser one of those poor Dalit children?
Ah...I see...you would be more open to giving a starving child a meal if you were saved. Oh...guess getting people to accept the Lord has an effect on the starving after all.
No your god should have the power to fix this...I have giving plenty of money to help people..I've gone to fast food places bought food and giving it to the homeless guy on the corner wuth the sign..More than once ...So I don't need to be "saved" to do this...
True, you don't need to be saved to help people.
In terms of feeding hungry people, God doesn't cause hungry people. The actions of other people (or themselves) causes hungry people. God allows us the free will to mess up. Starving people are our fault, not God's. |
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John
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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feederband wrote: John wrote: feederband wrote: John wrote: God will do what He will do in His own time.
Well get a chance tell God that people are dieing right now...Tell him to get off his ass now and do something...
What are you doing? Did you sign up to sponser one of those poor Dalit children?
Ah...I see...you would be more open to giving a starving child a meal if you were saved. Oh...guess getting people to accept the Lord has an effect on the starving after all.
No your god should have the power to fix this...I have giving plenty of money to help people..I've gone to fast food places bought food and giving it to the homeless guy on the corner wuth the sign..More than once ...So I don't need to be "saved" to do this...
Ok...then let's see you do it. :) |
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connermt
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psholtz wrote: Random Evil Guy wrote: John wrote: feederband wrote: John wrote: feederband wrote: John wrote: Prayer works for me. :-D
It's AMAZING to see God answer prayer.
Which one did he answer...I hope it was aprayer that mattered..Like a cure for aids or feed the starving...
Which one? You mean today? :-D
Any Day....name a prayer that he answered for you....
My wife started cooking again yesterday. She'd been asking for take out for about three months and I was getting sick of it. So instead of jumping on her about it...I just pray that the Lord would put it upon her heart and within 2 days she just started cooking.
I think all go now and enjoy a home cooked meal. :-D
Why I waited three months to pray about it is the real mystery.
is it just me, or did this story sound unbelieveably selfish...?
Yes, it is unbelievably selfish..
And like I said before, anybody who uses spiritual powers to serve their own selfish interests is guilty of practicing Black Magic.. Just thank God that John is as weak and powerless in his invocations and incantations as he is.. anybody who's heart is as clouded as John's is by selfish desires and who *does* succeed in matering these spiritual forces can become a collossal menace to mankind..
But aren't a lot of prayers selfish? Help me to....Help us to.....Help me understand....Let us get there safely....
Many people pray for others as well, but couldn't it be said any time you pray for yourself it is selfish?
I pray for myself all the time (because I need all the help I can get), but I don't think I am being selfish about it - I recognize I need it!! :lol: |
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LetsGetReal
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| He doesn't understand that because its in simple terms he is way too complex for us, unless your talking about an issue only he can understand(theoretically impossible) he won't say its right. Your best bet is just to ignore his posts thats what i do... |
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psholtz
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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John wrote: God will do what He will do in His own time.
God's Will will never be done on Earth unless there are men who freely (of their own Free Will) choose to do it. |
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feederband
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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perdidochas wrote: feederband wrote: John wrote: feederband wrote: John wrote: God will do what He will do in His own time.
Well get a chance tell God that people are dieing right now...Tell him to get off his ass now and do something...
What are you doing? Did you sign up to sponser one of those poor Dalit children?
Ah...I see...you would be more open to giving a starving child a meal if you were saved. Oh...guess getting people to accept the Lord has an effect on the starving after all.
No your god should have the power to fix this...I have giving plenty of money to help people..I've gone to fast food places bought food and giving it to the homeless guy on the corner wuth the sign..More than once ...So I don't need to be "saved" to do this...
True, you don't need to be saved to help people.
In terms of feeding hungry people, God doesn't cause hungry people. The actions of other people (or themselves) causes hungry people. God allows us the free will to mess up. Starving people are our fault, not God's.
What about children born in parts of the world where there drought enables them to grow things thus starve to death...This is not the child's fault that he was born their... |
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LetsGetReal
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| Maybe you should step in and help them and I would say it's their parents fault for bringing them into the world under such circumstances.... |
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