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Æ · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 5496 Location: Taxatraz

I know this question has probably been asked a bazillion times, but I still can't figure out why it is 'socially acceptable' for girls to kiss one another in public or on tv, but that it is not 'socially acceptable' for guys to kiss one another in public or on tv. Is there a greater insecurity about one's sexuality in men than in women or is it because a lot of men get off by watching women kiss, but this doesn't bother women as much as men would be bothered by guys kissing?

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9370

I think you hit the nail on the head when you identified both of those possibilities. I think that, in general, men are more apprehensive about their sexuality and don't want to be percieved as gay, whereas women, in general, are more comfortable in their sexuality and don't worry about it.

In addition, I think that this manifests itself in the "damn, lesbians are hot" mentality of most straight men. While some straight men profess an open intolerance, abhorrance, or disgust of homosexuality, that is suspended when it comes to two beautiful women spread-eagle together. Why is this? It is because they get turned on by it. But, since straight men don't get turned on by the prospect of two men doing the same, there is an idea that it is "disgusting and wrong."

If you look at shows aimed toward men, you will find more sexual content versus shows aimed for women, which have a higher focus on emotions and interpersonal relationships. So, how does that sexual thrust manifest? In two women "getting it on."

(I know that my above comments do not apply to all straight men. These are simply my observations and theories).

spearsy23 · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 5632 Location: Fulton, Ks

I find seeing two gay guys kiss, well i hesitate to say disgusting but at least gross. however i also find watching a guy and a girl kiss gross. I enjoy watching two girls kiss because i do find it "hot". Is it a double standard? yes, but it's still hot and i like to watch. Is it right for there to be this double standard? no. However i have no problem with anybody kissing in public but i don't want to watch unless it's two girls :lol:

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9370

The Underground wrote: I find seeing two gay guys kiss, well i hesitate to say disgusting but at least gross. however i also find watching a guy and a girl kiss gross. I enjoy watching two girls kiss because i do find it "hot". Is it a double standard? yes, but it's still hot and i like to watch. Is it right for there to be this double standard? no. However i have no problem with anybody kissing in public but i don't want to watch unless it's two girls :lol:

I can relate. I don't want to watch unless it is two guys.

spearsy23 · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 5632 Location: Fulton, Ks

UrielsFyre wrote: The Underground wrote: I find seeing two gay guys kiss, well i hesitate to say disgusting but at least gross. however i also find watching a guy and a girl kiss gross. I enjoy watching two girls kiss because i do find it "hot". Is it a double standard? yes, but it's still hot and i like to watch. Is it right for there to be this double standard? no. However i have no problem with anybody kissing in public but i don't want to watch unless it's two girls :lol:

I can relate. I don't want to watch unless it is two guys.

Thank god (figuratively of course :wink: ) a gay guy who will admit it.

Rankor and Pissing · Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 10208

Here's the truth IMO only -

Hetero men like women

Hetero men are insecure about gay men

Hetero men see a good looking woman, he imagines "doing her"

Hetero men see a good looking man, he's insecure about his own looks

Hetero men see TWO good looking women together he imagines himself "doing both of them"

Hetero men see TWO good looking women KISSING, he thinks he actually has a GREAT CHANCE at "doing both of them"

Hetero man sees TWO good looking MEN kissing, he either gets grossed out or violent for bringing shame on his own Hetero-ness.

Æ · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 5496 Location: Taxatraz

I personally don't get much out of watching people kiss. Whether it's guy/girl, girl/girl or guy/guy doesn't really have an effect on me one way or another. Of course, there are always exceptions to rules. :)

connermt · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 1526 Location: CMH OHIO

aLienaTeD wrote: I know this question has probably been asked a bazillion times, but I still can't figure out why it is 'socially acceptable' for girls to kiss one another in public or on tv, but that it is not 'socially acceptable' for guys to kiss one another in public or on tv. Is there a greater insecurity about one's sexuality in men than in women or is it because a lot of men get off by watching women kiss, but this doesn't bother women as much as men would be bothered by guys kissing?

It is a double standard PROBABLY because guys like to see girls kissing (as a general rule) & much of TV is ran by men. You can almost always tell when you see a show produced by a woman or a gay guy. It is very different.
I had a similiar experience at lunch yesterday. There were TONS of young girl waitresses, almost ALL of them really really bad (we never even got or drinks offered to be refilled), but all of them were probably younger than 25, low rise tight pants & half shirts. What are the odds the owner of the resturant was a man?!?! :lol:
(And no it WASN'T Hooters!!)

Ray Nagin · Joined: 01 Apr 2006 Posts: 12

UrielsFyre wrote: I think you hit the nail on the head when you identified both of those possibilities. I think that, in general, men are more apprehensive about their sexuality and don't want to be percieved as gay, whereas women, in general, are more comfortable in their sexuality and don't worry about it.

In addition, I think that this manifests itself in the "damn, lesbians are hot" mentality of most straight men. While some straight men profess an open intolerance, abhorrance, or disgust of homosexuality, that is suspended when it comes to two beautiful women spread-eagle together. Why is this? It is because they get turned on by it. But, since straight men don't get turned on by the prospect of two men doing the same, there is an idea that it is "disgusting and wrong."

If you look at shows aimed toward men, you will find more sexual content versus shows aimed for women, which have a higher focus on emotions and interpersonal relationships. So, how does that sexual thrust manifest? In two women "getting it on."

(I know that my above comments do not apply to all straight men. These are simply my observations and theories).

links to your proof or are you just pulling stuff out of your ass

Æ · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 5496 Location: Taxatraz

How many more accounts are you going to create before you give up?

Do the world a favor and shout off under the water where no one can hear it.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9370

Ray Nagin wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: I think you hit the nail on the head when you identified both of those possibilities. I think that, in general, men are more apprehensive about their sexuality and don't want to be percieved as gay, whereas women, in general, are more comfortable in their sexuality and don't worry about it.

In addition, I think that this manifests itself in the "damn, lesbians are hot" mentality of most straight men. While some straight men profess an open intolerance, abhorrance, or disgust of homosexuality, that is suspended when it comes to two beautiful women spread-eagle together. Why is this? It is because they get turned on by it. But, since straight men don't get turned on by the prospect of two men doing the same, there is an idea that it is "disgusting and wrong."

If you look at shows aimed toward men, you will find more sexual content versus shows aimed for women, which have a higher focus on emotions and interpersonal relationships. So, how does that sexual thrust manifest? In two women "getting it on."

(I know that my above comments do not apply to all straight men. These are simply my observations and theories).

links to your proof or are you just pulling stuff out of your ass

I know you have been banned....again. But, I know you will be back....again. Therefore, learn to read posts before you spout off. I said "these are simply my observations and theories".

spearsy23 · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 5632 Location: Fulton, Ks

UrielsFyre wrote: Ray Nagin wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: I think you hit the nail on the head when you identified both of those possibilities. I think that, in general, men are more apprehensive about their sexuality and don't want to be percieved as gay, whereas women, in general, are more comfortable in their sexuality and don't worry about it.

In addition, I think that this manifests itself in the "damn, lesbians are hot" mentality of most straight men. While some straight men profess an open intolerance, abhorrance, or disgust of homosexuality, that is suspended when it comes to two beautiful women spread-eagle together. Why is this? It is because they get turned on by it. But, since straight men don't get turned on by the prospect of two men doing the same, there is an idea that it is "disgusting and wrong."

If you look at shows aimed toward men, you will find more sexual content versus shows aimed for women, which have a higher focus on emotions and interpersonal relationships. So, how does that sexual thrust manifest? In two women "getting it on."

(I know that my above comments do not apply to all straight men. These are simply my observations and theories).

links to your proof or are you just pulling stuff out of your ass

I know you have been banned....again. But, I know you will be back....again. Therefore, learn to read posts before you spout off. I said "these are simply my observations and theories".

Yeah but you're a gay guy, so you are morally and intellectualy inferior :roll:

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9370

The Underground wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: Ray Nagin wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: I think you hit the nail on the head when you identified both of those possibilities. I think that, in general, men are more apprehensive about their sexuality and don't want to be percieved as gay, whereas women, in general, are more comfortable in their sexuality and don't worry about it.

In addition, I think that this manifests itself in the "damn, lesbians are hot" mentality of most straight men. While some straight men profess an open intolerance, abhorrance, or disgust of homosexuality, that is suspended when it comes to two beautiful women spread-eagle together. Why is this? It is because they get turned on by it. But, since straight men don't get turned on by the prospect of two men doing the same, there is an idea that it is "disgusting and wrong."

If you look at shows aimed toward men, you will find more sexual content versus shows aimed for women, which have a higher focus on emotions and interpersonal relationships. So, how does that sexual thrust manifest? In two women "getting it on."

(I know that my above comments do not apply to all straight men. These are simply my observations and theories).

links to your proof or are you just pulling stuff out of your ass

I know you have been banned....again. But, I know you will be back....again. Therefore, learn to read posts before you spout off. I said "these are simply my observations and theories".

Yeah but you're a gay guy, so you are morally and intellectualy inferior :roll:

I know. I guess my bachelor's and master's degrees were given to me out of pity by the superior straight people. :lol:

George W Bush

aLienaTeD wrote: I know this question has probably been asked a bazillion times, but I still can't figure out why it is 'socially acceptable' for girls to kiss one another in public or on tv, but that it is not 'socially acceptable' for guys to kiss one another in public or on tv. Is there a greater insecurity about one's sexuality in men than in women or is it because a lot of men get off by watching women kiss, but this doesn't bother women as much as men would be bothered by guys kissing?

from what ive observed, woman are considered sexual while men are not.

i dont know if this is changing or will change, but thats the answer, afaic.

d_the_sandman · Joined: 19 Nov 2004 Posts: 3498 Location: Austin, Texas

There's a real simple answer to this question.

In our society............that is to say, in the way our society views sex...........there's a "f*cker" and a "f*cked". Sorry for the offensive language, but that's the bottom line. Penetration is the defenition of sex to our society. So, two women kissing or showing affection is FAR less offensive to the average person than two men doing the same, because in THEIR mind, the two women are engaging in a less offensive or aggressive sexual relationship.

connermt · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 1526 Location: CMH OHIO

aLienaTeD wrote: I know this question has probably been asked a bazillion times, but I still can't figure out why it is 'socially acceptable' for girls to kiss one another in public or on tv, but that it is not 'socially acceptable' for guys to kiss one another in public or on tv. Is there a greater insecurity about one's sexuality in men than in women or is it because a lot of men get off by watching women kiss, but this doesn't bother women as much as men would be bothered by guys kissing?

Historically, TV/movies seems to be a male dominated profession. Many guys find 2 women kissing (etc) hot. You can almost always tell when a place or profession is male dominated by the amount of women running around (resturants, tv, office environments). Also, westerners are very insecure with their bodies & their sexuality. Over & above that, western MEN are extremely uncomfortable with their sexuality, so they tend to induldge in female/female interaction & all the while, being 'grossed out' by man/man interaction.
But that is JMO
An interesting point: there are MANY MANY straight &/or married men that often induldge in man on man sex anymore. This is a fact, rather people like it or not.

yETII90 · Joined: 27 Nov 2005 Posts: 1484 Location: New York

aLienaTeD wrote: I know this question has probably been asked a bazillion times, but I still can't figure out why it is 'socially acceptable' for girls to kiss one another in public or on tv, but that it is not 'socially acceptable' for guys to kiss one another in public or on tv. Is there a greater insecurity about one's sexuality in men than in women or is it because a lot of men get off by watching women kiss, but this doesn't bother women as much as men would be bothered by guys kissing?

That is because gay guys kissing to most people is disqusting as hell, and ladies kissing is actually kind of intriguing to most people (why I have no idea). It's really because of the market place, it rather have people like Madonna and Paris Hilton, barely clothed making out with each other. The only thing people want gay guys to do is play dress up, with other people (Queer Eye being a good example). That is changing however with Brokeback Mountain, will it change much is dependant on how the public takes it, or another movie similar.

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

yETII90 wrote: That is because gay guys kissing to most people is disqusting as hell, and ladies kissing is actually kind of intriguing to most people (why I have no idea). It's really because of the market place, it rather have people like Madonna and Paris Hilton, barely clothed making out with each other. The only thing people want gay guys to do is play dress up, with other people (Queer Eye being a good example). That is changing however with Brokeback Mountain, will it change much is dependant on how the public takes it, or another movie similar.

No, it's because two men kissing threatens men's "manhood" by eroticizing the relationship between two men.

Two ladies kissing does not threaten "manhood" and brings erotic pleasure for some men, which reinforces their sense of "manhood".

These are really social constructions.

yETII90 · Joined: 27 Nov 2005 Posts: 1484 Location: New York

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: yETII90 wrote: That is because gay guys kissing to most people is disqusting as hell, and ladies kissing is actually kind of intriguing to most people (why I have no idea). It's really because of the market place, it rather have people like Madonna and Paris Hilton, barely clothed making out with each other. The only thing people want gay guys to do is play dress up, with other people (Queer Eye being a good example). That is changing however with Brokeback Mountain, will it change much is dependant on how the public takes it, or another movie similar.

No, it's because two men kissing threatens men's "manhood" by eroticizing the relationship between two men.

Two ladies kissing does not threaten "manhood" and brings erotic pleasure for some men, which reinforces their sense of "manhood".

These are really social constructions.

You forget that WOMEN watch TV too, and they like seeing gay guys play dress up, by being stylists, and house designers and therefore you see gay guys mostly playing dress up. Simple. Not many people like seeing them getting it on, because as I said before it disqusts people, whether they like it or not.

Two ladies kissing does nothing for me but bring up the thoughts of "Ok their lesbos."

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

yETII90 wrote: You forget that WOMEN watch TV too, and they like seeing gay guys play dress up, by being stylists, and house designers and therefore you see gay guys mostly playing dress up. Simple. Not many people like seeing them getting it on, because as I said before it disqusts people, whether they like it or not.

Two ladies kissing does nothing for me but bring up the thoughts of "Ok their lesbos."

No, the concept of being "disgusted" doesn't happen by itself and it is extremely dependent on social conditioning. If you raise a kid to see blood and dead bodies from early childhood, it will become noramalized for him/her.

It's the same way with kissing.