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psholtz
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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cap'n queasy wrote: Jonah wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: There is such a thing as being born again of the Spirit, but when it happens, it is unmistakable, it's signs and wonders are of the Soul and of God, and those Christians who have been so blessed are utterly and completely unmistakable.
Clue brick.
Quote: Mt 24:24 -
"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
What are you saying, Queasy?
The "signs and wonders" that Paul associates here with being born again are false. People who see these signs and wonders, like he has seen, are mislead. He is in contact with a false christ. That's what happens when you mess around with channeling. Which he does.
Whoops! :-D
I guess you missed everything St. Paul ever wrote on this topic, or ... for that matter .. what Jesus said about this in John 14:12.. The signs and wonders that Jesus speaks of in Matthew 24:24 are those that you witness regularly on your TV set.. The Rockefellers rebuilding "Israel", for instance, is a good example.. a "sign and wonder" that most certainly has held your mind captive and which is almost certainly something that is leading you astray.. |
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cap'n queasy
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I'm sorry, Paul, but your conspiracy theories are not something I take into consideration. Especially when they directly contradict at least three chapters that Paul wrote, Romans 9, 10 and 11.
But I will leave you something that Paul did write about Israel and it's place in God's plan.
Quote: Romans 11:25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
27 "THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; 29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. 32 For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.
I don't expect you to read or try to understand any of this, but there it is if you want to. |
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cap'n queasy
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Jonah wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Jonah wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: There is such a thing as being born again of the Spirit, but when it happens, it is unmistakable, it's signs and wonders are of the Soul and of God, and those Christians who have been so blessed are utterly and completely unmistakable.
Clue brick.
Quote: Mt 24:24 -
"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
What are you saying, Queasy?
The "signs and wonders" that Paul associates here with being born again are false. People who see these signs and wonders, like he has seen, are mislead. He is in contact with a false christ. That's what happens when you mess around with channeling. Which he does.
Oh, I see, good catch. I'm a little disturbed with his use of the word "Soul" in that post, you know?
The experience I described on the ship happened years after I was saved, no connection with being born again. It also happened like 5 hours after I was prayed for and annointed with oil, and to my knowledge none of those brothers was present when it happened. It only convinced me that God's zeal for the lost is very real and He has all the power we need for witnessing available to us for the asking.
Well, you were speaking of a spiritual gift. Paul is concerned with chiefly with politics, specifically in undermining the confidence and faith in Christ, and the blessings that this always brings. Something that this country is rapidly losing.
Signs and wonders will herald this catastrophe, and he is laying the groundwork for people to believe them. |
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