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clarity · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 280 Location: Burton

Ireland is part of the British isles, i feel that ireland is part of my nation and i was annoyed when i had learned it had claimed independance.

Why would they withdraw from one of the greatest nations in the world.

I think they should rejoin the rest of their family, them leaving has helped no one only made things so much more complecated.

If they rejoin Britain then we will be back to full strength and i will welcome them with open arms

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18561 Location: Illinois

Remain independent, tell the UK to go f#ck themselves and forcibly remove them from Northern Ireland.

jawsome · Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 13215 Location: Berkeley

all of ireland should be independent.

26+6=1. :wink:

Snoop · Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 6515

That decision needs to be left up to the Irish, just like whether or not Taiwan joins China should be left of to the Taiwanese

clarity · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 280 Location: Burton

what would you do if a part of your country wanted to pull out, i bet you'd be pissed. the irish are part of britain and i just want them to come back where they beong.

What would america do if a state wanted to withdraw

Snoop · Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 6515

clarity wrote: what would you do if a part of your country wanted to pull out, i bet you'd be pissed. the irish are part of britain and i just want them to come back where they beong.

What would america do if a state wanted to withdraw

Given the history between Ireland and Briton I don't see much similarity.

But my family is from one of the older clans so I'm biased

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18561 Location: Illinois

clarity wrote: what would you do if a part of your country wanted to pull out, i bet you'd be pissed. the irish are part of britain and i just want them to come back where they beong.

What would america do if a state wanted to withdraw

Already been done. We had a Civil War and they lost.

You lost Ireland, get over it.

Ireland is entirely different from the UK and they are thier own country.

curisz · Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 2099 Location: chicago

1. The Irish are not a bunch of brits who decided to go their separate way, they are a people who were subjugated by British rule and finally broke free.

2. They have a stronger economy than Britain right now, why ruin it?

3. The fact that they are the next island over does not make them part of Britain.

4. Better teeth.

5. Leprechauns a way cooler mascot than Prince Charles.

6. It's close, real close, but Guiness is still better than Newcastle Brown.

7. Irish have never been much for taking over other peoples countries and expecting gratitude for it.

8. Ireland is just greener.

9. Way better at bar fights, especially after 10 or so drinks.

10. Did I mention they were never British to begin with?

SCC · Joined: 21 Aug 2005 Posts: 1070 Location: somewhere

clarity wrote: Ireland is part of the British isles, i feel that ireland is part of my nation and i was annoyed when i had learned it had claimed independance.

Why would they withdraw from one of the greatest nations in the world.

I think they should rejoin the rest of their family, them leaving has helped no one only made things so much more complecated.

If they rejoin Britain then we will be back to full strength and i will welcome them with open arms

sure take back ireland. Good Ireland, not bad ireland.

clarity · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 280 Location: Burton

how do you think america would have evolved if it hadnt have been colonised all at once, you would have had 52 countrys or more.

and i can honestly say is a state withdrew itself from america all of you would be furious.

Ireland is part of the British isles they speak the british language and live in pretty much the same way so why shouldnt they allow thier power to grow

curisz · Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 2099 Location: chicago

clarity wrote: how do you think america would have evolved if it hadnt have been colonised all at once, you would have had 52 countrys or more.

and i can honestly say is a state withdrew itself from america all of you would be furious.

Ireland is part of the British isles they speak the british language and live in pretty much the same way so why shouldnt they allow thier power to grow

Ok. America wasn't colonized all at once. It started as several colonies who banded together for their common good.

Ireland was never a British "State" it was a colony.

"The British Isles" is a term invented by Britain. To the Irish it was always just Ireland.

There is no such thing as the British language, it is called English, and it is spoken in Ireland because Gaelic was deliberately suppressed.

Power isn't everything.

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18561 Location: Illinois

clarity wrote: how do you think america would have evolved if it hadnt have been colonised all at once, you would have had 52 countrys or more.

and i can honestly say is a state withdrew itself from america all of you would be furious.

Ireland is part of the British isles they speak the british language and live in pretty much the same way so why shouldnt they allow thier power to grow

The colonies were 13 separate countries. They agreed to be a united nation of states under the Constitution, They were not forced, they chose to unite. States can leave the union legally with the permission of 3/4 of all the other states.

Ireland does not want you there. They separated from you. Deal with it.

clarity · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 280 Location: Burton

ok well 2 americans have just given me two diffrent facts. good to know you kbnow your own history, so what would u do if a state withdrew from ithe usa

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18561 Location: Illinois

clarity wrote: ok well 2 americans have just given me two diffrent facts. good to know you kbnow your own history, so what would u do if a state withdrew from ithe usa

I know my history just fine.

A state cannot withdraw without 3/4 approval of all other states. We have it written in our Constitution. A state is currently a part of our nation and subject to our national laws. Ireland is not subject to your Constitution and laws.

Ireland is an entirely different country. Apples and Oranges comparison. :roll:

curisz · Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 2099 Location: chicago

clarity wrote: ok well 2 americans have just given me two diffrent facts. good to know you kbnow your own history, so what would u do if a state withdrew from ithe usa

Most of the likely candidates (Texas, California, South Carolina, New Hampshire, North Dakota) i would be fine with.

Hawaii or Alaska would bum me out. Nevada would be the same tourist trap it is now only extra sinful. If Illinois went its separate way, I reckon I would be a proud citizen of a new nation. I mean, of course the rest of the country would be lame without US! :lol:

Eton · Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:20 pm Post subject:

Although I recognise that the Irish and Brits are actually quite alike - thousands of our citizens live in each other's country, we have similar sense of humour etc. The fact remains that we have good relations precisely because they are independent.

clarity · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 280 Location: Burton

FCTE wrote:

I know my history just fine.

A state cannot withdraw without 3/4 approval of all other states. We have it written in our Constitution. A state is currently a part of our nation and subject to our national laws. Ireland is not subject to your Constitution and laws.

Ireland is an entirely different country. Apples and Oranges comparison. :roll:

but wait isnt that like keeping them there against there will, if the whole state wants to leave they should be able to. just another proof that Britain thinks of freedom alot more than you do.

Plus ireland was part of our constitution it was part of Britain

Stygma · Joined: 28 Sep 2005 Posts: 1339 Location: Boulder, Colorado

Ireland should stay seperate.

clarity wrote: ok well 2 americans have just given me two diffrent facts. good to know you kbnow your own history, so what would u do if a state withdrew from ithe usa

Too bad you can't learn your own language. :roll:

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18561 Location: Illinois

clarity wrote: but wait isnt that like keeping them there against there will, if the whole state wants to leave they should be able to.

No it's illegal.

Those laws were put in place and agreed upon by the existing colonies which became states at the time. Any states formed after the Constitution were bound by it upon becoming a state.

Quote: just another proof that Britain thinks of freedom alot more than you do.

Yes, that's why the colonies revolted because of your many freedoms. :lol:

Quote: Plus ireland was part of our constitution it was part of Britain

So were we and we told you to get bent and then defeated you, Thus winning this land and independence from you.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8471

Sounds like Clarity is suffering from the numerous losses Britain has suffered after trying to forcefully impose a British government on an unwilling people. Ireland and the United States are the most extreme of the examples, but let's not forget India, Hong Kong, etc.

If a state, for example California, wanted to separate from the United States they have a legal way to do it. As has been stated 3/4 approval from the remaining 49 states. This was a part of the American Constitution that was agreed upon by the original 13 states. Any state that wished entrance to the republic needed to agree to the terms within the constitution. They did, and are thus bound. Had they not wished to agree to the Constitution, they would have not been allowed admittance to the republic.

Ireland, on the other hand, never came to Britain and asked for admittance to the UK. They were being forcibly assimilated against their will.

Sorry, Clarity, your comparison is not a logical one.