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Æ · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 5496 Location: Taxatraz

Have you ever seen one performed?

I had trouble finding the statistics for this particular question, so I thought I'd just ask here.

Ek0nomik · Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 2065 Location: La Fleur

I posted No, but I support abortion. However, Sailor Moon did post a video of a late term abortion being done in which the childs skull has to be destroyed. I watched the full video. I haven't seen one in person however.

WsTxRedRaider06 · Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 146 Location: Lubbock, Texas

Never seen one, never want to..In person, on video, etc...And I oppose abortion....

Korimyr the Rat · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 983 Location: Wyoming

No, but I support abortion.

I have seen pictures of aborted fetuses-- mostly the late-term shock pictures used by anti-abortionists-- and I've read detailed technical descriptions of the procedure (grew up on medical textbooks), but I've never actually witnessed one in person.

I'm pretty confident that I could perform one myself, if I could reference a textbook.

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

aLienaTeD wrote: Have you ever seen one performed?

I had trouble finding the statistics for this particular question, so I thought I'd just ask here. I have seen abortions be performed as part of medical school rotations. They are no more troublesome than other surgical procedures.

bubblybuddy · Joined: 07 Feb 2006 Posts: 457 Location: Massachusetts

steen wrote: aLienaTeD wrote: Have you ever seen one performed?

I had trouble finding the statistics for this particular question, so I thought I'd just ask here. I have seen abortions be performed as part of medical school rotations. They are no more troublesome than other surgical procedures.

No. Isn't this supposed to be a private medical procedure? I haven't seen a rectal exam, open heart surgery or a lung transplant either. What is the relevance of this poll to the abortion debate?

Saf · Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 377

No, but support.

Have you ever seen an open-heart surgery? Barbaric, isn't it. All that cutting and bleeding and crunching through the sternum. What it looks like has nothign to do with the ethics of it.

Æ · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 5496 Location: Taxatraz

bubblybuddy wrote: steen wrote: aLienaTeD wrote: Have you ever seen one performed?

I had trouble finding the statistics for this particular question, so I thought I'd just ask here. I have seen abortions be performed as part of medical school rotations. They are no more troublesome than other surgical procedures.

No. Isn't this supposed to be a private medical procedure? I haven't seen a rectal exam, open heart surgery or a lung transplant either. What is the relevance of this poll to the abortion debate?
The relevance is whether seeing an abortion would change your mind about supporting it. Unless you've seen one, it would be impossible to answer that question.

Ek0nomik · Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 2065 Location: La Fleur

aLienaTeD wrote: bubblybuddy wrote: steen wrote: aLienaTeD wrote: Have you ever seen one performed?

I had trouble finding the statistics for this particular question, so I thought I'd just ask here. I have seen abortions be performed as part of medical school rotations. They are no more troublesome than other surgical procedures.

No. Isn't this supposed to be a private medical procedure? I haven't seen a rectal exam, open heart surgery or a lung transplant either. What is the relevance of this poll to the abortion debate?
The relevance is whether seeing an abortion would change your mind about supporting it. Unless you've seen one, it would be impossible to answer that question.

Do you have one to show us?

Æ · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 5496 Location: Taxatraz

Ek0nomik wrote: aLienaTeD wrote: bubblybuddy wrote: steen wrote: aLienaTeD wrote: Have you ever seen one performed?

I had trouble finding the statistics for this particular question, so I thought I'd just ask here. I have seen abortions be performed as part of medical school rotations. They are no more troublesome than other surgical procedures.

No. Isn't this supposed to be a private medical procedure? I haven't seen a rectal exam, open heart surgery or a lung transplant either. What is the relevance of this poll to the abortion debate?
The relevance is whether seeing an abortion would change your mind about supporting it. Unless you've seen one, it would be impossible to answer that question.

Do you have one to show us?
I'm sure I could find one easily, but I doubt the mods would let me post it.

I personally think the abortion debate would be a lot more effective with pictures and videos than with words.

Ek0nomik · Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 2065 Location: La Fleur

aLienaTeD wrote: I'm sure I could find one easily, but I doubt the mods would let me post it.

I personally think the abortion debate would be a lot more effective with pictures and videos than with words.

Post it. Who cares? They can remove it if they wish. Just make it a link, and post a warning if you think it's going to be to graphic.

Edit: http://www.silentscream.org/
WARNING: You may be offended, and God forbid if someones feelings get hurt. You have been warned.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 8871

It's not so much that people support abortion, it's that people support the right to have the option of abortion if the mother so desires.

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

Saf wrote: No, but support.

Have you ever seen an open-heart surgery? Barbaric, isn't it. All that cutting and bleeding and crunching through the sternum. What it looks like has nothign to do with the ethics of it. They are nasty. But the worst is the limb amputation after diabetic gangrene. It smells and oozes and bleeds all over the place.

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

aLienaTeD wrote: I personally think the abortion debate would be a lot more effective with pictures and videos than with words. Why? pro-lifers have posted their fetal porn for decades and it hasn't affected us one bit.

War Lord · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 367

No i have never seen an abortion process and i will never support death over life, I have seen photos of aborted fetuses and regardless weather they where used to shock people or not they where still mutilated and dismembered and fully developed, it is a brutal practice and is nothing at all like removing an appendix it is like killing a miracle before it had a chance. and if you support abortion why isn't it okay to kill them after their born what changes between labor and birth is the only difference that you can't see the baby's face as it dies or is there another reason?

War Lord · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 367

steen wrote: aLienaTeD wrote: I personally think the abortion debate would be a lot more effective with pictures and videos than with words. Why? pro-lifers have posted their fetal porn for decades and it hasn't affected us one bit. Fetal porn? huh?

War Lord · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 367

LostSoul3412 wrote: It's not so much that people support abortion, it's that people support the right to have the option of abortion if the mother so desires. you should never have the right to kill anybody born or unborn death is not a choice

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 8871

War Lord wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: It's not so much that people support abortion, it's that people support the right to have the option of abortion if the mother so desires. you should never have the right to kill anybody born or unborn death is not a choice

We have the right to choice, and the right to our own bodies. The mothers who choose to have an abortion done are only excerising their right not to have a child. Besides, it not death, because there is no life. It is the potential life that be being ended, not an actual life.

Æ · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 5496 Location: Taxatraz

LostSoul3412 wrote: We have the right to choice, and the right to our own bodies. The mothers who choose to have an abortion done are only excerising their right not to have a child. Besides, it not death, because there is no life. It is the potential life that be being ended, not an actual life.
"Right to our own bodies"
Women do have a right to their own bodies and their own bodies only! An unborn is merely an individual residing in someone else's property.

"It's not death, because there is no life"
If there was not life then why was there a need to take it away? Is it because convenience is more important than responsibility?

Kumar · Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Posts: 16135 Location: Prague

Lost Soul wrote: It is the potential life that be being ended, not an actual life.
Potential life is gametes. Actual life is the fusion of gametes to form a distinct individual.