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Saf wrote: TeRRaVen52 wrote: It's been proven that a homosexual has a different brain structure than a heterosexual. This could prove them being born gay or it could have been something that occured in their life that changed their brain structure. Now if it is a different brain structure, that would make them different, and not normal. If it's a change in brain structure, like OCD, phobias, and insanity, then what if homosexuaity was a disorder that could be treated? Just throwing it out there.
I'd like to see some proof of this. I'd also like to see proof that bisexuals and transsexuals have different brain structures. Furthermore, just because it is different, why does that automatically lead to "treatment" being necessitated?

Quote: Another interesting question I have is this. Most people who accept homosexuals say the reasons why homosexuals are the way they are is because they cant help it, the homosexual lovers are attracted to eachother and they love eachother. There are many incest couples in the world that are attracted to eachother and love eachother. What gives homosexuals the free ticket to acceptance? What about the brother and his sister or even the man who loves his dog a little bit too much? Why give homosexuals the right to be accepted but those guys do not? BTW I do not agree that incest and people loving their animals are right, just throwing that question above out there.
They should be free to, as long as they are not infringing upon the rights of others. It does not affect you in any way if people interbreed or have sex with animals, so leave it alone.

I have seen some scientific documentaries speaking about the brain structure. From what I have seen (which isn't all the info I am sure) & understood, gay men have a center part of their brain (can't reecall the correct name of this part of the brain) that has something to do with desire & sexual attraction (among a couple other things). This part of a gay man's brain is the same size as the same part of a straight woman's brain (it is also a different size than the part of a straight man's brain). In addittion, this part of the brain is stimulated by many of the same things as a straight woman's brain. Lastly, this part of the brain (it's size & developement) developes from certain chemicals (that help to determine sex) during fetal developement.
I am not sure if this is exactly the same thing the poster was referring to, however.

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anonymous4reasons wrote: I got say the moral argument, homosexuality is wrong, call me whatever you want, but that is what i believe. Naturally speaking homosexuality for a species just doesn't work, we have to come to a fact that man and woman together just fits and thats how it is. Now don't get me wrong I do love other people including men, and this is understandable, its a kinda of love beyond frienship but no where near homosexuality which is way out of line and goes beyond the boundary for both men and women. This is my opinion, no scientific basis, and just one fact and that is men and women are ment to be together and everyone knows this. I dont think the government should be in on this I think the people should stand up and say this, they gays can do what they want, just to do it around me, my families, and my friends.

Good honest post. But to want it not to be done around you, your family/friends isn't possible in a society. Eventually you/they will need to learn to cope with it.
However, Quote: homosexuality for a species just doesn't work... MIGHT be true (in regards to the advancement of the species), but it still doesn't mean it is not natural.

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TheWeeklyDebacle wrote: TeRRaVen52 wrote: So your saying there should be absolutley no limitations upon who and what someone should be attracted to and fall in love with? Don't you think that's a little extreme? Incest couples who have children wouldn't be right, there children would turn out deformed. And yes I would like to look into the difference between the brain structure of a transsexual and a homosexual, I'd think they would be pretty similar.

I think you need to get your analogies correct. Incest is not homosexuality. Sex with animals, although it's not your business, is not the same. I wonder what this country would be like if people worked WITH other people to solve economic and technological challenges instead of what Bill and Gary are doing in their home down the street.

Well said! :clap:
The 'gay issue' is easier for people to complain about because all they need to do is sit on their butts & argue. Feeding the hungry, clothing the homeless, curing diseases,...these all require more effort & the 'gay issue' is physically & financially easier to get into AS WELL AS it is a some-what acceptable forum to force your opinions &/or religious views on others
If people weren't so LAZY, this wouldn't be as big of an issue because people would realize NO MATTER WHAT YOUR SEXUALITY IS, gays & straights both can help feed the hungry, clothe the homeless, etc.

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George W Bush wrote: TeRRaVen52 wrote: It's been proven that a homosexual has a different brain structure than a heterosexual. This could prove them being born gay or it could have been something that occured in their life that changed their brain structure. Now if it is a different brain structure, that would make them different, and not normal. If it's a change in brain structure, like OCD, phobias, and insanity, then what if homosexuaity was a disorder that could be treated? Just throwing it out there.

Another interesting question I have is this. Most people who accept homosexuals say the reasons why homosexuals are the way they are is because they cant help it, the homosexual lovers are attracted to eachother and they love eachother. There are many incest couples in the world that are attracted to eachother and love eachother. What gives homosexuals the free ticket to acceptance? What about the brother and his sister or even the man who loves his dog a little bit too much? Why give homosexuals the right to be accepted but those guys do not? BTW I do not agree that incest and people loving their animals are right, just throwing that question above out there.

if you dont have facial symmetry, you are percieved 'UGLY' (according to psychology).
does this make ugly people abnormal?

Now you are reaching....
Attractiveness is PERCEIVED, NOT scientifically proven. Sure there are general things each person looks for (consciously & subconsciously), but if you statement were true, everyone would agree on what attractive is & what ugly is. That is not the case. I have seen people that I think aren't 'pretty' (ugly if you will) & they are happily married or attached (many times to people are ARE VERY attractive). The same could be said for people that are deformed (naturally or by an accident). Many times these people have spouses & boyfirends & girlfriends.
Because there is emotion in the human heart, people can look past the physical body of someone to see who they really are.

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Ray Nagin wrote: man + woman = correct

for natural reproduction (heterosexual sex) yes
for 100% true fullfillment of every living person (emotionally as well as physically) no

[spearsy23]

Paxil wrote: Ray Nagin wrote: man + woman = correct



man + woman

man + man

woman + woman

they are all correct!

Horny drunk monkey+ man= not correct

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The Underground wrote: Paxil wrote: Ray Nagin wrote: man + woman = correct



man + woman

man + man

woman + woman

they are all correct!

Horny drunk monkey+ man= not correct

Well it all depends on what the monkey looks like :wink:
JOKE!
I hope the above post was referencing human on human only....so HOPEFULLY a drunk monkey doesn't apply
:think: :gdgf:

[spearsy23]

connermt wrote: The Underground wrote: Paxil wrote: Ray Nagin wrote: man + woman = correct



man + woman

man + man

woman + woman

they are all correct!

Horny drunk monkey+ man= not correct

Well it all depends on what the monkey looks like :wink:
JOKE!
I hope the above post was referencing human on human only....so HOPEFULLY a drunk monkey doesn't apply
:think: :gdgf:

WTH are you talking about, it has nothing to do with it being a monkey. It's DRUNK, you're going to have sex with a monkey that doesn't realise what it's doing? Man you've got problems :wink:

[George W Bush]

connermt wrote: George W Bush wrote: TeRRaVen52 wrote: It's been proven that a homosexual has a different brain structure than a heterosexual. This could prove them being born gay or it could have been something that occured in their life that changed their brain structure. Now if it is a different brain structure, that would make them different, and not normal. If it's a change in brain structure, like OCD, phobias, and insanity, then what if homosexuaity was a disorder that could be treated? Just throwing it out there.

Another interesting question I have is this. Most people who accept homosexuals say the reasons why homosexuals are the way they are is because they cant help it, the homosexual lovers are attracted to eachother and they love eachother. There are many incest couples in the world that are attracted to eachother and love eachother. What gives homosexuals the free ticket to acceptance? What about the brother and his sister or even the man who loves his dog a little bit too much? Why give homosexuals the right to be accepted but those guys do not? BTW I do not agree that incest and people loving their animals are right, just throwing that question above out there.

if you dont have facial symmetry, you are percieved 'UGLY' (according to psychology).
does this make ugly people abnormal?

Now you are reaching....
Attractiveness is PERCEIVED, NOT scientifically proven. Sure there are general things each person looks for (consciously & subconsciously), but if you statement were true, everyone would agree on what attractive is & what ugly is. That is not the case. I have seen people that I think aren't 'pretty' (ugly if you will) & they are happily married or attached (many times to people are ARE VERY attractive). The same could be said for people that are deformed (naturally or by an accident). Many times these people have spouses & boyfirends & girlfriends.
Because there is emotion in the human heart, people can look past the physical body of someone to see who they really are.

What I meant to show, is that not all human physiology is ABNORMAL.
Just because you percieve someone as ugly, or just because you see someone's homosexuality as ugly,

does not make it ABNORMAL.

btw, science has shown human perception favors facial symmetry when judging for beauty.
Science HAS NOT managed to define ugly/pretty btw.
Science only shows the reliability of human reaction to facial symettry.

Heres a source:
http://www.faceresearch.org/

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George W Bush wrote: connermt wrote: George W Bush wrote: TeRRaVen52 wrote: It's been proven that a homosexual has a different brain structure than a heterosexual. This could prove them being born gay or it could have been something that occured in their life that changed their brain structure. Now if it is a different brain structure, that would make them different, and not normal. If it's a change in brain structure, like OCD, phobias, and insanity, then what if homosexuaity was a disorder that could be treated? Just throwing it out there.

Another interesting question I have is this. Most people who accept homosexuals say the reasons why homosexuals are the way they are is because they cant help it, the homosexual lovers are attracted to eachother and they love eachother. There are many incest couples in the world that are attracted to eachother and love eachother. What gives homosexuals the free ticket to acceptance? What about the brother and his sister or even the man who loves his dog a little bit too much? Why give homosexuals the right to be accepted but those guys do not? BTW I do not agree that incest and people loving their animals are right, just throwing that question above out there.

if you dont have facial symmetry, you are percieved 'UGLY' (according to psychology).
does this make ugly people abnormal?

Now you are reaching....
Attractiveness is PERCEIVED, NOT scientifically proven. Sure there are general things each person looks for (consciously & subconsciously), but if you statement were true, everyone would agree on what attractive is & what ugly is. That is not the case. I have seen people that I think aren't 'pretty' (ugly if you will) & they are happily married or attached (many times to people are ARE VERY attractive). The same could be said for people that are deformed (naturally or by an accident). Many times these people have spouses & boyfirends & girlfriends.
Because there is emotion in the human heart, people can look past the physical body of someone to see who they really are.

What I meant to show, is that not all human physiology is ABNORMAL.
Just because you percieve someone as ugly, or just because you see someone's homosexuality as ugly,

does not make it ABNORMAL.

btw, science has shown human perception favors facial symmetry when judging for beauty.
Science HAS NOT managed to define ugly/pretty btw.
Science only shows the reliability of human reaction to facial symettry.

Heres a source:
http://www.faceresearch.org/

Ah I see what you are saying now.
Facial symettry is something people look for subconsciously &, somewhat, consciously. But it varies in specifics between heterosexual men/women. Also, men tend to look for big breasts, full lips, wide hips, etc. Women look for strong nose & jaw, broad shoulders, wide chest, etc. These things can all be linked back to the 'looking for the best mate to futher our species' mind set.
These things, IMO, seem to be what 'grabs' our attention. Once our attention is 'grabbed', we look for other, more intangible things (kindness, smarts, etc).

[Luke]

Homosexuality is wrong and your anatomy will show you why :!: :shock:

[Enoch]

Luke wrote: Homosexuality is wrong and your anatomy will show you why :!: :shock: Please, catch up....we've been through this all.

[spearsy23]

Luke wrote: Homosexuality is wrong and your anatomy will show you why :!: :shock:

Heterosexuality is wrong, and the divorce rate will show you why :roll:

[Æ]

Luke wrote: Homosexuality is wrong and your anatomy will show you why :!: :shock:
Homosexual sex is not wrong. It might be 'abnormal' in the sense that it is not the norm, but it is certainly not unnatural or any more wrong than anal sex with a woman.

[Luke]

If you are a christian, then you beleive that homosexuality is wrong...it's in the Bible. If you want, I will post the evidence.

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Luke wrote: If you are a christian, then you beleive that homosexuality is wrong...it's in the Bible. If you want, I will post the evidence.
Here we go again putting the cart before the horse. Name one passage in the bible where Jesus condemned homosexuals. Not only did Jesus not make such a remark, he actively sought to be with those who were oppressed by others (and my guess is that homosexuals would be included in that group).

[George W Bush]

Luke wrote: Homosexuality is wrong and your anatomy will show you why :!: :shock:

your spectrum of value consists of qualities unrelated to a homosexuals spectrum of values.

and isnt it odd that you would concern yourself with what 2 sexually identical people do with themselves in private?

your smarter than that and should understand this life is not just about you.

live and let live.

[George W Bush]

Luke wrote: If you are a christian, then you beleive that homosexuality is wrong...it's in the Bible. If you want, I will post the evidence.

Post evidence from the Bible?

I take back my presumption that you were smart.

Well, i'll post some evidence from my physics book that says the Earth is not flat - but i'm sure you wont come back at me with a page from your bible contesting that ... BECAUSE THE BIBLES BEEN REVISED TO REMOVE THE EMBARRASSING contradiction making the validity of the bible questionable.

[spearsy23]

Luke wrote: If you are a christian, then you beleive that homosexuality is wrong...it's in the Bible. If you want, I will post the evidence.

Anyone who offers the bible as factual evidence has gone off the deep end.
Of course if i am a christian i also believe
One may possess slaves from another country
is one violates the sabbath, curses, or blasphemes they should be stoned to death
No one should touch a dead pigs skin
and of course if children overeat, drink, or disobey their parents they shall be stoned.

Yep great book for facts.

[Anjire2]

Luke wrote: If you are a christian, then you beleive that homosexuality is wrong...it's in the Bible. If you want, I will post the evidence.

As a christian, please see my take on the doctrine condemning homosexuality...

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33899

Page 8 or so.

To summarize, The doctrine is hypocritical.