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[ToonArmyIsComing]

The Underground wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: Exactly! Tell it like it is! These people are really pushing it right now wanting to be married like normal people. If you want to be married, start acting normal and stop harming the society with your morally decedent ways!

You don't define normal. I contend that YOU are hurting society with your biggoted ways. You sir are a hypocrite, "I am a christian who believes in loving everyone, except them god damn f**s."

I'm not defining anything and I am not calling anyone anything. Besides, I don't hate anyone. I'm just stating that the fact is that it is obvious that the ever since the start of various "liberation" movements, the society has become a place where fringe groups such as the gays have come to define the way that people live their lives in the West. Look at Europe and how these morally challenged groups are destroying the very foundations of their societies for their own sexual pleasures.

I'm not a hypocrite. The gays are hypocrites though as they are destroying the very society that cared for them and brought them up.

UrielsFyre wrote: Look...I can quote the bible too! :lol:

If you want to use the bible as any sort of condemnation, you may want to pick a book other than Leviticus, AND do it in a country where religious teachings are also law. That, my friend, is not the United States. Although, I hear Iran is nice this time of year.

Immorality at its best. Fringe groups attempting to destroy the very foundations of the US.

You see I'm not advocating government involvement, but the society has to ostracize these fringe groups. That way there will be no theocracy in the US and the gays will be punished for their sinful behaviour without the government involvement and without their constitutional rights being infringed. It's a very efficient way as more and more people subscribe to it. If the trends are anything to go by, the US is fertile for doing these works.

[spearsy23]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: I'm not defining anything and I am not calling anyone anything.
Does "they should act normal" ring a bell?

Quote: Besides, I don't hate anyone. I'm just stating that the fact is that it is obvious that the ever since the start of various "liberation" movements, the society has become a place where fringe groups such as the gays have come to define the way that people live their lives in the West.
How are gays destroying your life? If gay marriage is legal you don't have to get married to another man.

Quote: Look at Europe and how these morally challenged groups are destroying the very foundations of their societies for their own sexual pleasures.
proof?

Quote: I'm not a hypocrite. The gays are hypocrites though as they are destroying the very society that cared for them and brought them up.
society caring for homosexuals, now that's a laugh.

Quote: Immorality at its best. Fringe groups attempting to destroy the very foundations of the US.
He's not the one trying to limit freedoms. Oh but that's right America was built on christianity, never mind the seperation of church and state and all that. It's just nonsense.

Quote: You see I'm not advocating government involvement, but the society has to ostracize these fringe groups.
Yeah you don't hate anybody :roll: what is it that makes you so afraid of homosexuals?

Quote: That way there will be no theocracy in the US and the gays will be punished for their sinful behaviour
According to your own religion everybody is a sinner, so do i get to throw rocks at you now?

Quote: without the government involvement and without their constitutional rights being infringed. It's a very efficient way as more and more people subscribe to it. If the trends are anything to go by, the US is fertile for doing these works.
Sorry buddy but fewer and fewer people are subscribing to your idea.www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,61982,00.html

[Enoch]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote:
You see I'm not advocating government involvement, but the society has to ostracize these fringe groups. That way there will be no theocracy in the US and the gays will be punished for their sinful behaviour without the government involvement and without their constitutional rights being infringed. It's a very efficient way as more and more people subscribe to it. If the trends are anything to go by, the US is fertile for doing these works.
Until such time as you become one of the fringe group that gets ostracized. I'll bet you change your tune real fast at that point.

[ToonArmyIsComing]

UrielsFyre wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote:
You see I'm not advocating government involvement, but the society has to ostracize these fringe groups. That way there will be no theocracy in the US and the gays will be punished for their sinful behaviour without the government involvement and without their constitutional rights being infringed. It's a very efficient way as more and more people subscribe to it. If the trends are anything to go by, the US is fertile for doing these works.
Until such time as you become one of the fringe group that gets ostracized. I'll bet you change your tune real fast at that point.

Don't worry, we will see how that turns out. I'm going to lay it out for you:

The way to do this is to get it done at the grassroots level with gentle family oriented messages. Many are working on such campaigns and I guess we will see the results when the next generation grows up. The current generation has been severely brainwashed by the liberalization of culture. It will probably take a generation or two to repair these damages.

Another one of the things that needs to be encouraged is homeschooling. Clearly, as part of the homosexual agenda, the education system has become a way to extend tolerance towards the sinful behaviour of the gay people and condition people from a young age to accept different people. With more parents homeschooling their children, they are less likely to be thought about tolerating homosexuals. In fact, many parents avoid the topic all together, which is good as children do not become conditioned to accept homosexuality.

Another aspect of the plan should be aimed at universities. As part of the so called "equality", acceptance of abnormal sexual orientations has become part of the university life. As such, there is a need to restore the universities to become places of scholarship and scholars are supposed to be the role models and the future of the society. Through various different campaigns, funding and tenureship should be denied to the morally decadent individuals.

One more aspect of the plan is aimed at private businesses. Companies like Ford claim to be equal opportunity employers. There is a need to push these private corporations to deny employment opportunities to the out of the closet homosexuals in various ways. Indeed, media should be used to prevent people from buying the products of these "equal opportunity" employers.

The last aspect of the plan is to aim at the government to revise definitions of marriage. In addition, equality should not be extended to the sexual orientation.

You know, if there is enough pressure from the moral activists, the morally decadent will be ostracized or severely reduced in their social life.

How do you like this plan that counters the homosexual agenda? 8:)

The only problem right now is that those who tolerate moral decadence are in charge of important institutions such as university. So as a first step a concerted effort is required to regain control over the important institutions of the US.

The Underground wrote: Quote: I'm not a hypocrite. The gays are hypocrites though as they are destroying the very society that cared for them and brought them up.
society caring for homosexuals, now that's a laugh.


They should be grateful that they are not punished by the government of the US. Unfortunately, if you give these people an inch, they want a mile! Just because they are not punished, they think they can go on degrading a whole nation.

The Underground wrote: Quote: Immorality at its best. Fringe groups attempting to destroy the very foundations of the US.
He's not the one trying to limit freedoms. Oh but that's right America was built on christianity, never mind the seperation of church and state and all that. It's just nonsense.

They have freedoms and rights. Now they want more (ie: the gay agenda). If you give these people an inch, they want a mile.

The Underground wrote: Quote: You see I'm not advocating government involvement, but the society has to ostracize these fringe groups.
Yeah you don't hate anybody :roll: what is it that makes you so afraid of homosexuals?

Afraid? Why should I be afraid?

The Underground wrote: Quote: That way there will be no theocracy in the US and the gays will be punished for their sinful behaviour
According to your own religion everybody is a sinner, so do i get to throw rocks at you now?

Why do you want to throw rocks at me? I live a fairly virtuous life.

[Enoch]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: How do you like this plan that counters the homosexual agenda? 8:)
I think the plan is assinine, to tell you the truth. But, I find it hillarious that you think that there is a homosexual agenda. You know what MY agenda is?

1. Finish my education.
2. Find a good job in my industry.
3. Maybe have a good brunch now and then.

That's it. Nothing more sinister as you seem to think. I'm not after your children, your job, your religious beliefs, or anything of the nature. I just want to live my life, just as you do.

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: The Underground wrote: Quote: I'm not a hypocrite. The gays are hypocrites though as they are destroying the very society that cared for them and brought them up.
society caring for homosexuals, now that's a laugh.


They should be grateful that they are not punished by the government of the US. Unfortunately, if you give these people an inch, they want a mile! Just because they are not punished, they think they can go on degrading a whole nation.
And how, exactly are we degrading a whole nation?

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: The Underground wrote: Quote: Immorality at its best. Fringe groups attempting to destroy the very foundations of the US.
He's not the one trying to limit freedoms. Oh but that's right America was built on christianity, never mind the seperation of church and state and all that. It's just nonsense.

They have freedoms and rights. Now they want more (ie: the gay agenda). If you give these people an inch, they want a mile.
Only if that mile is what it takes to reach equality.

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: The Underground wrote: Quote: You see I'm not advocating government involvement, but the society has to ostracize these fringe groups.
Yeah you don't hate anybody :roll: what is it that makes you so afraid of homosexuals?

Afraid? Why should I be afraid?
It's obvious you are afraid of the "homosexual agenda" or you wouldn't go so far as to think up a "grassroots movement" to stop us.

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: The Underground wrote: Quote: That way there will be no theocracy in the US and the gays will be punished for their sinful behaviour
According to your own religion everybody is a sinner, so do i get to throw rocks at you now?

Why do you want to throw rocks at me? I live a fairly virtuous life.
I wouldn't say calling for the social eradication and/or ostracization of an entire group of people to be virtuous. What is the phrase? "Judge thee not, lest ye be judged" or "Hate the sin, love the sinner"?

[ToonArmyIsComing]

UrielsFyre wrote: I think the plan is assinine, to tell you the truth.

Maybe, maybe not. Believe it or not, some of the points within this plan are being implemented by mainstream organizations right now. It's not some fringe elements talking here. We are talking about mainstream American here.

Besides, even if it doesn't work, such plans will make the country polarized to the point that hopefully at least 50% of the country reject the moral decadence. If the population is concentrated enough, the individuals who cause moral decadence will be forced to leave and at least in some states, there will be a cleaner environment.

UrielsFyre wrote: But, I find it hillarious that you think that there is a homosexual agenda.

The homosexual agenda is quite simple and efficient. It is aimed at normalizing the homosexuality to the point that it is something fun or even acceptable to do just like any other activity.

UrielsFyre wrote: You know what MY agenda is?

1. Finish my education.
2. Find a good job in my industry.
3. Maybe have a good brunch now and then.

That's it. Nothing more sinister as you seem to think. I'm not after your children, your job, your religious beliefs, or anything of the nature. I just want to live my life, just as you do.

I'm glad. I think it will be for the best to seek opportunities in countries such as Canada.

UrielsFyre wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: The Underground wrote: Quote: I'm not a hypocrite. The gays are hypocrites though as they are destroying the very society that cared for them and brought them up.
society caring for homosexuals, now that's a laugh.


They should be grateful that they are not punished by the government of the US. Unfortunately, if you give these people an inch, they want a mile! Just because they are not punished, they think they can go on degrading a whole nation.
And how, exactly are we degrading a whole nation?

By attempting to present homosexuality as something fun or even acceptable.

UrielsFyre wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: The Underground wrote: Quote: Immorality at its best. Fringe groups attempting to destroy the very foundations of the US.
He's not the one trying to limit freedoms. Oh but that's right America was built on christianity, never mind the seperation of church and state and all that. It's just nonsense.

They have freedoms and rights. Now they want more (ie: the gay agenda). If you give these people an inch, they want a mile.
Only if that mile is what it takes to reach equality.

Equality of sexual orientations? There is no equality there. If you want equality, you can go to some Communist country where their whole way of life is based on equality instead of demanding the state in this country grants you rights based on a non-existent concept (equality of sexual orientations???!!!). That's a blatant abuse of the concept of equality.

UrielsFyre wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: The Underground wrote: Quote: You see I'm not advocating government involvement, but the society has to ostracize these fringe groups.
Yeah you don't hate anybody :roll: what is it that makes you so afraid of homosexuals?

Afraid? Why should I be afraid?
It's obvious you are afraid of the "homosexual agenda" or you wouldn't go so far as to think up a "grassroots movement" to stop us.

It's not fear. I even think maybe a good way to fight the homosexual agenda is to offer financial rewards to those homosexuals who renounce their American citizenship and apply for a citizenship from other countries like Canada and the UK.

UrielsFyre wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: The Underground wrote: Quote: That way there will be no theocracy in the US and the gays will be punished for their sinful behaviour
According to your own religion everybody is a sinner, so do i get to throw rocks at you now?

Why do you want to throw rocks at me? I live a fairly virtuous life.
I wouldn't say calling for the social eradication and/or ostracization of an entire group of people to be virtuous. What is the phrase? "Judge thee not, lest ye be judged" or "Hate the sin, love the sinner"?

Ostracization is an act of love. It serves as a way to deter others from performing the sinful acts of homosexuality. Those homosexual sinners who have already been ostracized will probably repent after seeing that they are being ostracized from the society.

[Enoch]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: Maybe, maybe not. Believe it or not, some of the points within this plan are being implemented by mainstream organizations. It's not some fringe element.

Besides, even if it doesn't work, such plans will make the country polarized to the point that hopefully at least 50% of the country reject the moral decadence. If the population is concentrated enough, the individuals who cause moral decadence will be forced to leave and at least in some states, there will be a cleaner environment.
Even if your numbers come to fruition, which trends are not indicating will happen, that will leave 50% of the nation on our side. So, then, the question would become which side can gain the power? And, that, it seems is something best left for time to answer.

Also, there will NEVER be a forced relocation of any gay man or lesbian, whether you like it or not. As rude as people wish to be to us, there are laws to protect us from unfair hiring/firing practices, and the like. Those laws are not likely to be overturned because of some moral indignation you and those like you feel toward us.

Like it or not, in terms of your plan, the law is on our side.

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: The homosexual agenda is quite simple and efficient. It is aimed at normalizing the homosexuality to the point that it is something fun or even acceptable to do just like any other activity.
If our "agenda" is so efficient, you may want to brace yourself for the inevitable: people understanding that the only differences between gay people and straight people is the gender of the person we love.

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: I'm glad. I think it will be for the best to seek opportunities in countries such as Canada.
No thanks. I am rather fond of the United States, and I think I'll stay. It seems that the truly unhappy ones are people like yourselves, because you just don't want us "morally decadent" homosexuals around. If that is the case, why don't you leave and seek opportunities in countries like Iran where moral outrage is a daily occurrence.

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: By attempting to present homosexuality as something fun or even acceptable.
No, we are presenting homosexuals as people worthy of the same levels of legal respect as any other. Also, to be honest, I would say it is a lot less fun to be homosexual, due to the common tirades of people who share opinions like yours. You think it's fun to be degraded, insulted, and threatened on a regular basis? If so, my friend, you have a very bizarre definition of fun.

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: Equality of sexual orientations? There is no equality there. If you want equality, you can go to some Communist country where their whole way of life is based on equality instead of demanding the state in this country grants you rights based on a non-existent concept (equality of sexual orientations???!!!). That's a blatant abuse of the concept of equality.
I am talking about equality of law toward all sexual orientations.

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: It's not fear. I even think maybe a good way to fight the homosexual agenda is to offer financial rewards to those homosexuals who renounce their American citizenship and apply for a citizenship from other countries like Canada and the UK.
It is fear, whether you admit to it or not. From what other basis could you subscribe the desire for your grassroots movement? Face it, you are afraid that the "homosexual agenda" will succeed and that, in a generation or two, the anti-gay political crowd will be an historical relic. And that is likely to be the case.

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: Ostracization is an act of love. It serves as a way to deter others from performing the sinful acts of homosexuality. Those homosexual sinners who have already been ostracized will probably repent after seeing that they are being ostracized from the society.
Did you graduate from the Fred Phelps School of Compassion? Phelps claims to love us too. However, that is a lie....just as yours is.

I can recognize people like the KKK, Neo-Nazis, and Skinheads for the danger they are. They hate, and are vocal and honest about their hatred. However, the radical Religious Right comes under the guise of love. Love, in and of itself, is a very powerful rhetorical tool. But, to use that tool as a concealment for true hatred, abhorrence, and fear is not only intellectually dishonest, but it degrades the true concept of love.

[connermt]

It is absolutely AMAZING how much fear people have of gays & what they do. "Gay marriage will destroy this coutry/institution of marriage!" = BS crap. Look at the institution of marriage now - looks like all the straight people have done a 'bang up job' with it now. What is it, 60% of marriages end in divorce - something like that? WAY TO GO!!! :dance:
For the love of God I don't understand why everyone is so frightened of gays & what they do. I would think people should be more concerned with all the enemies our coutry has made in the past 10 years, the price of gas, or here's one: Work on your OWN families & get them right before you start looking to 'fix' everyone elses (see remove the plank from your own eye before you think about removing the splinter from someone elses).
There is NO (see 0) logical proof that gey people getting married will do anything to harm anything.
Zero. Ziltch. Nada. None.
Fear of gays seems to be nothing more than ignorance. There was a time when people hated (feared) black people. Why? Different skin color? Redicilous. To fear someone because they are different shows a lack of intelligence.
Good grief - people need to get over themselves!

[spearsy23]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: Maybe, maybe not. Believe it or not, some of the points within this plan are being implemented by mainstream organizations right now.
Yes the mainstream christian hate groups.

Quote: It's not some fringe elements talking here. We are talking about mainstream American here.
Yeah it is.

Quote: Besides, even if it doesn't work, such plans will make the country polarized to the point that hopefully at least 50% of the country reject the moral decadence.
Yeah who wouldn't want fifty percent hate.

Quote: If the population is concentrated enough, the individuals who cause moral decadence will be forced to leave and at least in some states, there will be a cleaner environment.
Let's go beat the ni**ers has just been changed to let's go beat teh f**s. Are black people below you too?

Quote: The homosexual agenda is quite simple and efficient. It is aimed at normalizing the homosexuality to the point that it is something fun or even acceptable to do just like any other activity.
It is acceptable, except to the people who say love and show hate. You're actions speak louder than your words.

Quote:
I'm glad. I think it will be for the best to seek opportunities in countries such as Canada.
I think it wold be better for our society if all you hypocritcal religious bigots moved to Canada. But then again i like Canada so why don't you move to china.

Quote:
By attempting to present homosexuality as something fun or even acceptable.
It is acceptable, except to you and your brethern who preach love and show hate.

Quote: Equality of sexual orientations? There is no equality there.
Your right Gays are way better than straights. Let's look at statistics about crime. I would say straights commit about 99% of crimes, so gays must be better and more moral.

Quote: If you want equality, you can go to some Communist country where their whole way of life is based on equality
You can go to a communist country that is run on religious ideas.

Quote: instead of demanding the state in this country grants you rights based on a non-existent concept (equality of sexual orientations???!!!).
Equality of sexual orientation? you're the one that came up with that. Equality means ALL people are equal, not just the ones you see fit.

Quote: That's a blatant abuse of the concept of equality.
You obviously donnot grasp the concept of equality

Quote: It's not fear. I even think maybe a good way to fight the homosexual agenda is to offer financial rewards to those homosexuals who renounce their American citizenship and apply for a citizenship from other countries like Canada and the UK.
Well you certainly want these people farther and farther away from you. If you're not afraid why?

Quote: Ostracization is an act of love. It serves as a way to deter others from performing the sinful acts of homosexuality. Those homosexual sinners who have already been ostracized will probably repent after seeing that they are being ostracized from the society.
You are a sinner according to your own religion. Let's ostricize you.

As for it being an act of love, well let me shoot you with a twenty-two everytime you sin. It's an act of love, it will deter you from sinning. :roll:

Do you really think you're so much better than everyone? Maybe you should go read your bible and try and understand it.

[ToonArmyIsComing]

UrielsFyre wrote: Even if your numbers come to fruition, which trends are not indicating will happen, that will leave 50% of the nation on our side. So, then, the question would become which side can gain the power? And, that, it seems is something best left for time to answer.

Indeed. Unfortunately, many people are conditioned to be progressive from an early age. If we are to succeed, the current progressive nature of this country should be challenged. And through regaining control of education system at all levels, the progressive nature of the education can be turned into a family oriented one. Therefore, the acceptance of homosexuality will drop, hopefully at a rapid pace.

UrielsFyre wrote: Also, there will NEVER be a forced relocation of any gay man or lesbian, whether you like it or not. As rude as people wish to be to us, there are laws to protect us from unfair hiring/firing practices, and the like. Those laws are not likely to be overturned because of some moral indignation you and those like you feel toward us.

Like it or not, in terms of your plan, the law is on our side.

Yes, this is another "wonderful" gift of the progressive movements within this country: protecting homosexuals at work from being fired. :roll:

Now, this is quite absurd as in a liberal society, the state is supposed to be neutral. Now, evidence show that the state is never neutral (as you can see by their laws protecting gay people for example). As such, changing governmental policies from progressive to family oriented ones are necessary.

Reforming the hiring/firing process is essential. To achieve this, we have to ally ourselves with big corporations and small businesses. Obviously the messages that we are going to use to push such a plan will not be anti-gay messages. We are going to package this in terms of capitalism and making business work more efficiently. Through this, we can deregulate hiring/firing policies and with no law to back homosexuals, in many cases, they will not be able to sue anyone for firing them. Heck, one of the questions that employers need to ask at the time of hiring should be about the sexual orientation.

UrielsFyre wrote: If our "agenda" is so efficient, you may want to brace yourself for the inevitable: people understanding that the only differences between gay people and straight people is the gender of the person we love.

It's efficient because it's got the backing of progressive institutions within this country. So in other words, when the progressives are forced out of such institutions, homosexuals will find it increasingly difficult to push their gay agenda.

This process should start at young ages. It should be recommended to the parents of gay children that they place their children in reparative therapies. This way, homosexuality could be redifined as something like cancer, not an acceptable lifestyle.

Besides, having talked to some homosexual rights activists, they are increasingly worried about movements that target the institutions that back them up!

UrielsFyre wrote: No thanks. I am rather fond of the United States, and I think I'll stay. It seems that the truly unhappy ones are people like yourselves, because you just don't want us "morally decadent" homosexuals around. If that is the case, why don't you leave and seek opportunities in countries like Iran where moral outrage is a daily occurrence.

I think I've established that this plan is not aimed at turning the US into a theocracy. Look it over for yourself. I know the sensitivities about becoming theocratic and I haven't ignored that at all.

UrielsFyre wrote: No, we are presenting homosexuals as people worthy of the same levels of legal respect as any other.

Homosexuals get the same level of legal respect as any other citizen. They, however, want the state to recognize their homosexuality as a valid lifestyle.

UrielsFyre wrote: Also, to be honest, I would say it is a lot less fun to be homosexual, due to the common tirades of people who share opinions like yours. You think it's fun to be degraded, insulted, and threatened on a regular basis? If so, my friend, you have a very bizarre definition of fun.

It is important to show such a lifestyle in negative light to prevent future generations from aspiring to become homosexuals. Promiscuous sodomy should be shown for what it is.

UrielsFyre wrote: I am talking about equality of law toward all sexual orientations.

That's absurd. How can you expect law to protect two things that are not equal in their nature? That's an abuse of the concept of equality to push the homosexual agenda.

UrielsFyre wrote: It is fear, whether you admit to it or not. From what other basis could you subscribe the desire for your grassroots movement? Face it, you are afraid that the "homosexual agenda" will succeed and that, in a generation or two, the anti-gay political crowd will be an historical relic. And that is likely to be the case.

That's absurd. So you think all activist movements are based on fear?

UrielsFyre wrote: Did you graduate from the Fred Phelps School of Compassion? Phelps claims to love us too. However, that is a lie....just as yours is.

I can recognize people like the KKK, Neo-Nazis, and Skinheads for the danger they are. They hate, and are vocal and honest about their hatred. However, the radical Religious Right comes under the guise of love. Love, in and of itself, is a very powerful rhetorical tool. But, to use that tool as a concealment for true hatred, abhorrence, and fear is not only intellectually dishonest, but it degrades the true concept of love.

What is being proposed here is essentially tough love. It's like a father beating his son to teach him an important lesson.

The Underground wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: Maybe, maybe not. Believe it or not, some of the points within this plan are being implemented by mainstream organizations right now.
Yes the mainstream christian hate groups.

Hate groups? There is no hate. It's tough love.

The Underground wrote: Quote: If the population is concentrated enough, the individuals who cause moral decadence will be forced to leave and at least in some states, there will be a cleaner environment.
Let's go beat the ni**ers has just been changed to let's go beat teh f**s. Are black people below you too?

No, however, homosexuals who practice homosexuality have made a choice. They should live with the consequences.

The Underground wrote: Quote: The homosexual agenda is quite simple and efficient. It is aimed at normalizing the homosexuality to the point that it is something fun or even acceptable to do just like any other activity.
It is acceptable, except to the people who say love and show hate. You're actions speak louder than your words. It is acceptable, except to you and your brethern who preach love and show hate.

So when a father beats his son to teach him an important lesson, is that hate?

The Underground wrote: Quote: instead of demanding the state in this country grants you rights based on a non-existent concept (equality of sexual orientations???!!!).
Equality of sexual orientation? you're the one that came up with that. Equality means ALL people are equal, not just the ones you see fit.

All people are equal as people under the law. The homosexuals get the same protections as everyone else. Now, however, they want to redifine equality to suite their agenda.

The Underground wrote: Quote: It's not fear. I even think maybe a good way to fight the homosexual agenda is to offer financial rewards to those homosexuals who renounce their American citizenship and apply for a citizenship from other countries like Canada and the UK.
Well you certainly want these people farther and farther away from you. If you're not afraid why?

They can have a great life in those places. The progressives have turned those countries upside down and I am sure they will accept the homosexual population with open arms. They can even get "married" in Canada!!! :roll:

The Underground wrote: Quote: Ostracization is an act of love. It serves as a way to deter others from performing the sinful acts of homosexuality. Those homosexual sinners who have already been ostracized will probably repent after seeing that they are being ostracized from the society.
You are a sinner according to your own religion. Let's ostricize you.

As for it being an act of love, well let me shoot you with a twenty-two everytime you sin. It's an act of love, it will deter you from sinning. :roll:

Do you really think you're so much better than everyone? Maybe you should go read your bible and try and understand it.

There are acts that threaten the very foundation of the society. Homosexuality is one of those acts. The progressive institutions are backing the homosexuals currently. I don't think one should sit by while the progressives redifine every aspect of society.

[connermt]

Quote: There are acts that threaten the very foundation of the society. Homosexuality is one of those acts. The progressive institutions are backing the homosexuals currently. I don't think one should sit by while the progressives redifine every aspect of society.

Explain HOW being gay will 'threaten the very foundation of the society'.
It can't be done.
'progressive institutions'..?
Why are you afraid of of change?
Shall we go back to when women were not allowed to vote, to slavery, to horse-n-buggy, to no electricity?
People who think like you are the ones who "...threaten the foundation of society.", not gays.

Quote: It's efficient because it's got the backing of progressive institutions within this country. So in other words, when the progressives are forced out of such institutions, homosexuals will find it increasingly difficult to push their gay agenda.
Wow - you are quite paranoid! Sad really. Gay agenda? I must have missed that memo....

Quote: Homosexuals get the same level of legal respect as any other citizen {what world are you living in?} . They, however, want the state to recognize their homosexuality as a valid lifestyle. Gays want want to be accepted as regular citizens with the same rights, nothing more. We don't care if you or anyone else recognizes our lifstyle as valid or not.

Quote: It is important to show such a lifestyle in negative light to prevent future generations from aspiring to become homosexuals. Promiscuous sodomy should be shown for what it is. Aspiring? No one "aspires' to be gay. As a side note: promiscuousity is NOT a gay only trait - good grief.

Quote: So when a father beats his son to teach him an important lesson, is that hate? No one should beat anyone - if you do so you should be placed in prison for life!
There is a difference in punishing & beating.
I sure hope you haven't reproduced.....

[spearsy23]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: Hate groups? There is no hate. It's tough love. not hardly

Quote: No, however, homosexuals who practice homosexuality have made a choice. They should live with the consequences.
Sorry but they haven't made any choice. I came in here with the same attitude as you, fortunately i was willing to listen to other views. When did you choose to be straight?

Quote: So when a father beats his son to teach him an important lesson, is that hate?
You are not beating them to teach them a lesson, you are beating them because you disagree with their lifestyle. In effect it is the same as a father coming home and going well it's time to smack the kid around a bit.

Quote: All people are equal as people under the law. The homosexuals get the same protections as everyone else. Now, however, they want to redifine equality to suite their agenda. do they? you have the right to marry the one you love, they don't.

Quote: They can have a great life in those places. The progressives have turned those countries upside down and I am sure they will accept the homosexual population with open arms. They can even get "married" in Canada!!! :roll:
They could have a great life here if bigots would allow.

Quote: There are acts that threaten the very foundation of the society. Homosexuality is one of those acts. The progressive institutions are backing the homosexuals currently. I don't think one should sit by while the progressives redifine every aspect of society.
Society has to progress, sorry you're still stuck in the fifties. homosexuality threatens society how? so far all you've given as a reason is because you said so.

[Enoch]

TAIC...After all of your babbling, I just have one thing to say:

Good luck. Let me know how that works out for you. ;-)

[feederband]

Been married for 15 years....I used to be totally against gay marriage... And I am against the life style personally .. But if they want to get married for the same reasons I did...Well what the hell let them its not going to effect me in anyway...

[ToonArmyIsComing]

connermt wrote: Explain HOW being gay will 'threaten the very foundation of the society'.
It can't be done.
'progressive institutions'..?
Why are you afraid of of change?
Shall we go back to when women were not allowed to vote, to slavery, to horse-n-buggy, to no electricity?
People who think like you are the ones who "...threaten the foundation of society.", not gays.

Homosexuality challenges the very notion of patriarchal society that has sustained the society for generation after generation. It challenges the patriarchal society by seeking to redefine the gender roles. Indeed, if homosexuality is accepted, the very foundation of the society will be altered in that patriarchy will be challenged in its supremacy.

connermt wrote: Gays want want to be accepted as regular citizens with the same rights, nothing more. We don't care if you or anyone else recognizes our lifstyle as valid or not.

Frankly, Homosexuals already have the same level of legal protection as others. They, however, want to push beyond these existing legal protections in an attempt to foster social tolerance for themselves. One has to wonder why sexual orientation should become part of the legal equality.

connermt wrote: No one should beat anyone - if you do so you should be placed in prison for life!
There is a difference in punishing & beating.
I sure hope you haven't reproduced.....

Ok, let's look at this from a sociological point of view: every single member of the society is disciplined by the society in subtle ways to behave in certain ways. I don't see why homosexuals seek intervention from the state to escape this disciplining force of the society.

The Underground wrote: Quote: No, however, homosexuals who practice homosexuality have made a choice. They should live with the consequences.
Sorry but they haven't made any choice. I came in here with the same attitude as you, fortunately i was willing to listen to other views. When did you choose to be straight?

One could be a homosexual and not practice homosexuality. I don't see anything wrong with not practicing homosexuality.

The Underground wrote: Quote: So when a father beats his son to teach him an important lesson, is that hate?
You are not beating them to teach them a lesson, you are beating them because you disagree with their lifestyle. In effect it is the same as a father coming home and going well it's time to smack the kid around a bit.

It's a lesson to prevent their lifestyle from challenging the existing patriarchy in the society.

The Underground wrote: Quote: All people are equal as people under the law. The homosexuals get the same protections as everyone else. Now, however, they want to redifine equality to suite their agenda. do they? you have the right to marry the one you love, they don't.

No, I have the right to marry someone from the opposite sex, which helps sustain the institution of family in the society. The marriage of homosexuals, however, challenges and alters this institution.

The Underground wrote: Quote: They can have a great life in those places. The progressives have turned those countries upside down and I am sure they will accept the homosexual population with open arms. They can even get "married" in Canada!!! :roll:
They could have a great life here if bigots would allow.

They are allowed to lead the life they want. After all, it is them who insist on practicing homosexuality. Personal responsibility is an American value and the gays are not exempt from such social norm.

The Underground wrote: Quote: There are acts that threaten the very foundation of the society. Homosexuality is one of those acts. The progressive institutions are backing the homosexuals currently. I don't think one should sit by while the progressives redifine every aspect of society.
Society has to progress, sorry you're still stuck in the fifties. homosexuality threatens society how? so far all you've given as a reason is because you said so.

Again, it's very simple. The patriarchy has driven the society for many many years, but suddenly there are these people with an agenda that want to destroy patriarchy and the consequences will be grave for the society.

UrielsFyre wrote: TAIC...After all of your babbling, I just have one thing to say:

Good luck. Let me know how that works out for you. ;-)

Thank you and I wish you good luck as well. :)

Hopefully, you will pursue the virtuous path at some point in your life.

If you are a university student, I suggest taking courses in classical studies or sociology, etc. If you can filter out the progressive BS that are packaged with them, you will see what I'm talking about.

[spearsy23]

Okay, now i see what this is all about. A little bitter that women are equal to you? Order a mail order bride, they tend to be pretty submissive. The patriarchal society has already been mostly done away with. Most families share decisions, some dads stay at home, some moms stay at home. "Gender roles" are so 20th century.

[Enoch]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote:
Thank you and I wish you good luck as well. :)

Hopefully, you will pursue the virtuous path at some point in your life.

If you are a university student, I suggest taking courses in classical studies or sociology, etc. If you can filter out the progressive BS that are packaged with them, you will see what I'm talking about.

I am a virtuous person. Just, not by the standards YOU deem to be virtuous.

Oh, and I am only a university student for 4 more weeks. After that, I will have finished my Master's.

[connermt]

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: connermt wrote: Explain HOW being gay will 'threaten the very foundation of the society'.
It can't be done.
'progressive institutions'..?
Why are you afraid of of change?
Shall we go back to when women were not allowed to vote, to slavery, to horse-n-buggy, to no electricity?
People who think like you are the ones who "...threaten the foundation of society.", not gays.

Homosexuality challenges the very notion of patriarchal society that has sustained the society for generation after generation. It challenges the patriarchal society by seeking to redefine the gender roles. Indeed, if homosexuality is accepted, the very foundation of the society will be altered in that patriarchy will be challenged in its supremacy.

connermt wrote: Gays want want to be accepted as regular citizens with the same rights, nothing more. We don't care if you or anyone else recognizes our lifstyle as valid or not.

Frankly, Homosexuals already have the same level of legal protection as others. They, however, want to push beyond these existing legal protections in an attempt to foster social tolerance for themselves. One has to wonder why sexual orientation should become part of the legal equality.

connermt wrote: No one should beat anyone - if you do so you should be placed in prison for life!
There is a difference in punishing & beating.
I sure hope you haven't reproduced.....

Ok, let's look at this from a sociological point of view: every single member of the society is disciplined by the society in subtle ways to behave in certain ways. I don't see why homosexuals seek intervention from the state to escape this disciplining force of the society.

The Underground wrote: Quote: No, however, homosexuals who practice homosexuality have made a choice. They should live with the consequences.
Sorry but they haven't made any choice. I came in here with the same attitude as you, fortunately i was willing to listen to other views. When did you choose to be straight?

One could be a homosexual and not practice homosexuality. I don't see anything wrong with not practicing homosexuality.

The Underground wrote: Quote: So when a father beats his son to teach him an important lesson, is that hate?
You are not beating them to teach them a lesson, you are beating them because you disagree with their lifestyle. In effect it is the same as a father coming home and going well it's time to smack the kid around a bit.

It's a lesson to prevent their lifestyle from challenging the existing patriarchy in the society.

The Underground wrote: Quote: All people are equal as people under the law. The homosexuals get the same protections as everyone else. Now, however, they want to redifine equality to suite their agenda. do they? you have the right to marry the one you love, they don't.

No, I have the right to marry someone from the opposite sex, which helps sustain the institution of family in the society. The marriage of homosexuals, however, challenges and alters this institution.

The Underground wrote: Quote: They can have a great life in those places. The progressives have turned those countries upside down and I am sure they will accept the homosexual population with open arms. They can even get "married" in Canada!!! :roll:
They could have a great life here if bigots would allow.

They are allowed to lead the life they want. After all, it is them who insist on practicing homosexuality. Personal responsibility is an American value and the gays are not exempt from such social norm.

The Underground wrote: Quote: There are acts that threaten the very foundation of the society. Homosexuality is one of those acts. The progressive institutions are backing the homosexuals currently. I don't think one should sit by while the progressives redifine every aspect of society.
Society has to progress, sorry you're still stuck in the fifties. homosexuality threatens society how? so far all you've given as a reason is because you said so.

Again, it's very simple. The patriarchy has driven the society for many many years, but suddenly there are these people with an agenda that want to destroy patriarchy and the consequences will be grave for the society.

UrielsFyre wrote: TAIC...After all of your babbling, I just have one thing to say:

Good luck. Let me know how that works out for you. ;-)

Thank you and I wish you good luck as well. :)

Hopefully, you will pursue the virtuous path at some point in your life.

If you are a university student, I suggest taking courses in classical studies or sociology, etc. If you can filter out the progressive BS that are packaged with them, you will see what I'm talking about.

Quote: Homosexuality challenges the very notion of patriarchal society that has sustained the society for generation after generation. It challenges the patriarchal society by seeking to redefine the gender roles. Indeed, if homosexuality is accepted, the very foundation of the society will be altered in that patriarchy will be challenged in its supremacy.
This point is baseless. Many other societies have same sex marriage & are doing fine :roll:

Quote: Frankly, Homosexuals already have the same level of legal protection as others. They, however, want to push beyond these existing legal protections in an attempt to foster social tolerance for themselves.... Being that you are gay I am sure you are an expert in this matter. They do NOT have the same level of protection. Only stupid people see it this way (if the shoe fits...)

Quote: ...One has to wonder why sexual orientation should become part of the legal equality. Exactly, why does it? Why can't people be considered equal? Thanks for making that point!

Quote: Ok, let's look at this from a sociological point of view: every single member of the society is disciplined by the society in subtle ways to behave in certain ways. I don't see why homosexuals seek intervention from the state to escape this disciplining force of the society. I am glad things have changed over the past 200 years in this country & I am glad you had no say in those changes. Go buy a woman, get in your horse drawn carriage, go back to your mountain shack & live your life as the hermit you should be.

Quote: One could be a homosexual and not practice homosexuality. I don't see anything wrong with not practicing homosexuality. That is a choice many have made. but that doesn't mean it is the only choice available.

Quote: It's a lesson to prevent their lifestyle from challenging the existing patriarchy in the society. Again, if you or anyone else beats their children they should be dealt with accordingly. If you beat your children for the sake of society you are stupid & sick

Quote: Again, it's very simple. The patriarchy has driven the society for many many years, but suddenly there are these people with an agenda that want to destroy patriarchy and the consequences will be grave for the society. Crazy ramblings of a paranoid person. NEWS FLASH: Gays just didn't SUDDENLY appear Captain Obvious.... :wink:

Quote: Hopefully, you will pursue the virtuous path at some point in your life. One thing guaranteed - no one will see you on any virtuous path....

Quote: The marriage of homosexuals, however, challenges and alters this institution. Of course it does, but you still have not proven that it is negative in any way. No one can because it isn't negative. Maybe you should take you advice to Las Vegas & talk to people who get married while drunk & don't remember what happened or who they married. Go 'help society' there where it is needed. Or how about help feeding the hungry or helping those who have families & have lost everything. Oh wait, that's right it is easier to sit on your (probably large) rear end & spout stupidity than do anything worth while.

[ToonArmyIsComing]

connermt wrote: Quote: Homosexuality challenges the very notion of patriarchal society that has sustained the society for generation after generation. It challenges the patriarchal society by seeking to redefine the gender roles. Indeed, if homosexuality is accepted, the very foundation of the society will be altered in that patriarchy will be challenged in its supremacy.
This point is baseless. Many other societies have same sex marriage & are doing fine :roll:

Doing fine by what measures? If anything, these societies are morally decadant places.

connermt wrote: Quote: Frankly, Homosexuals already have the same level of legal protection as others. They, however, want to push beyond these existing legal protections in an attempt to foster social tolerance for themselves.... Being that you are gay I am sure you are an expert in this matter. They do NOT have the same level of protection. Only stupid people see it this way (if the shoe fits...)

Yes, I'm an expert on this matter and I can tell this is a case of "give them an inch, they want a mile". :x

connermt wrote: Quote: ...One has to wonder why sexual orientation should become part of the legal equality. Exactly, why does it? Why can't people be considered equal? Thanks for making that point!

What point is that? It's clear that sexual orientation should be excluded from the definition of equality.

connermt wrote: Quote: Ok, let's look at this from a sociological point of view: every single member of the society is disciplined by the society in subtle ways to behave in certain ways. I don't see why homosexuals seek intervention from the state to escape this disciplining force of the society. I am glad things have changed over the past 200 years in this country & I am glad you had no say in those changes. Go buy a woman, get in your horse drawn carriage, go back to your mountain shack & live your life as the hermit you should be.

It's quite clear that many have been conditioned from an early age to accept homosexuality as normal. That's a clear problem, which should be dealt with. Demonizing homosexuality is a good way to turn the tide.

connermt wrote: Quote: One could be a homosexual and not practice homosexuality. I don't see anything wrong with not practicing homosexuality. That is a choice many have made. but that doesn't mean it is the only choice available.

So the others who don't make that choice should be prepared to live with the consequences of them practicing homosexuality.

connermt wrote: Quote: It's a lesson to prevent their lifestyle from challenging the existing patriarchy in the society. Again, if you or anyone else beats their children they should be dealt with accordingly. If you beat your children for the sake of society you are stupid & sick

No one is advocating abuse here. What is being advocated is discipline and enforcing moral values.

connermt wrote: Quote: Again, it's very simple. The patriarchy has driven the society for many many years, but suddenly there are these people with an agenda that want to destroy patriarchy and the consequences will be grave for the society. Crazy ramblings of a paranoid person. NEWS FLASH: Gays just didn't SUDDENLY appear Captain Obvious.... :wink:

Yes, certainly, but they were in the closet for many years. Now they are forcing the whole society to live by their rules and tolerate them.

connermt wrote: Quote: The marriage of homosexuals, however, challenges and alters this institution. Of course it does, but you still have not proven that it is negative in any way. No one can because it isn't negative.

Of course, the promiscous sodomites will attempt to portray their ways as something positive, but people should know better and not fall for it.

http://www.bibleprobe.com/homosexuality.htm

UrielsFyre wrote: I am a virtuous person. Just, not by the standards YOU deem to be virtuous.

Oh, and I am only a university student for 4 more weeks. After that, I will have finished my Master's.

Congrats, I hope that leads to a more virtuous life for you. :tu:

The Underground wrote: The patriarchal society has already been mostly done away with. Most families share decisions, some dads stay at home, some moms stay at home. "Gender roles" are so 20th century.

The patriarchal society is pretty much alive these days. It has just come under pressure by the forces of the progressive movement. Weakening the progressives is the key to achieving anything notable.

[spearsy23]

You will achieve nothing, even if you're attempts were to succeed all you have achieved is setting our society back fifty years.

I love this whole bible argument, when are you thick headed people going to figure out, AMERICA IS NOT ABOUT CHRISTIANITY OR ANY OTHER RELIGION.

You dear sir are a homophobic bigot. You're oppinions are both outdated and based on a book of lies. Your bible has NO effect on America.