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[LetsGetReal]

"You must not simply look the other way and hope it goes away on its own. Bring it out in the open and deal with it... Better devastation and embarassment than damnation...You pass it off as a small thing, but it's anything but that.... you shouldn't act as if everything is just fine when one of your Christian companions is promiscous or crooked, is flip with God or rude to friends, gets drunk or becomes greedy and predatory. You can't just go along with this, treating it as acceptable behavior. I'm not responsiblie for what the outsiders do, but don't we have some responsibility for those within our community of believers." Galatian 6:12 NLT

This is why we must talk, support, and help each other fight the sins that we all commit..

[sLiPpY]

I'm concerned, that Jesus may have put himself in danger of "hell fire."

Here's an example. Jesus sets the standard for those worthy of "hell fire." In the Book of Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Then I noticed this direct quote of Jesus words in Luke: 11:40 Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?

Granted it's not very considerate behavior, but apparently even Jesus wasn't above...calling another man or groups of men fools. :-D

[psholtz]

sLiPpY wrote: I'm concerned, that Jesus may have put himself in danger of "hell fire."
Yes, that's entirely correct..

Jesus put himself in danger (i.e,. at risk) of judgment, but knowing that he was operating w/in the bounds of (Divine) Law (just like any man who lives may, by the appropriate exercise of his Free Will, live w/in the Law), Jesus knew he had nothing to fear.

Quote: Granted it's not very considerate behavior, but apparently even Jesus wasn't above...calling another man or groups of men fools.
Of course he wasn't.. He also said he came to bring a sword, not peace and he chased the money-changers out of the Temple w/ a horsewhip..

This "fluffy, cuddly" Jesus that all the fundies like to promote, the "Jesus who loves anything and everything" is completely at odds w/ the historical record found in the Bible. First you must live w/in the Law. Then, perhaps, you shall find the Love of God. Certainly if Jesus were alive today he would not hesitate for a moment to condemn and speak out against some of these very same "fundies" who claim to be doing works in "his" name..

(See Matthew 7:21-23 for more details)..

[sLiPpY]

:lol: yes, and Jesus wants to make you a millionaire!

Have you noticed that as "fundie" concepts took root and began to creep into the mainstream, say since 1960 to their present levels of pervading at least half the population. Why is it the eight key elements of societal health have gone to "hell in a handbasket?"

Shouldn't those trends have reversed? :?

[psholtz]

sLiPpY wrote: :lol: yes, and Jesus wants to make you a millionaire!
Yeah, that's probably my favorite fundie concept! :lol:

If I was only a little less scrupulous, I might start a TV show by that name..


Jesus Wants to Make You a Millionaire!

I'm sure the ratings would go through the roof.. :lol:

Quote: Have you noticed that as "fundie" concepts took root and began to creep into the mainstream, say since 1960 to their present levels of pervading at least half the population. Why is it the eight key elements of societal health have gone to "hell in a handbasket?"
Ah yes... the hippie Jesus freaks of the 1960s..

Yes, I think a lot of moral degradation can be traced to them, but I think they were backed by other powerful forces that were working to destroy Western culture at that time (and now), and they were just one example of that. Bertrand Russell, for example, was both a famous hippie (he invented the peace sign) and a famous Satanist.. No doubt he had a hand in working to destroy and dismantle Christianity (in its more classical expression) as well..

But you're correct, this "super-evangelical" (super-intolerant) Mega-Church style of Christianity, the one that's little more than TV glitz and glamour, and that's broadcast across TVs every Sunday and that's a complete and total abomination in the eyes of any true Christian, these Mega-Churches got their start (I believe) in the 1960s..

[sLiPpY]

:clap:

Maybe you could get Benny Hinn to host. :-D

[cap'n queasy]

sLiPpY wrote: :lol: yes, and Jesus wants to make you a millionaire!

Have you noticed that as "fundie" concepts took root and began to creep into the mainstream, say since 1960 to their present levels of pervading at least half the population. Why is it the eight key elements of societal health have gone to "hell in a handbasket?"

Shouldn't those trends have reversed? :?

Why should they?

1963 is the year that the Bible was banned in public school. All measurable standards that give us an idea of the health of our society have steadily declined since this year.

[psholtz]

cap'n queasy wrote: 1963 is the year that the Bible was banned in public school. All measurable standards that give us an idea of the health of our society have steadily declined since this year.
I think "public" schools are basically an enormous part of the problem in the first place, regardless of what cirriculum is taught therein..

[cap'n queasy]

Well, I think the character of the curriculum taught has more to do with the success of a school than whether it is public or not.

A school is not automatically successful just because it is a private school.

[TheGirlNextDoor]

Notice - Everyone who has trolled this thread thus far - STOP. I would hate to lock this thread because someone cannot debate in a rational and intelligent manner.

Thank you.