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Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

Quote: But it does react, which was the issue at question here. Why are you so cowardly and dishonestly trying to avoid dealing with that?
stll does not change the facts you foo.

regardless of your stuid posts, I will disagree with all that you say because it is all lies.

so why do you bother reapenting the same th9ing they are all lies.

Quote: Why? statistically people who see porn more than 7 times become addicts.

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

Plodder wrote: statistically people who see porn more than 7 times become addicts. According to what statistic? Care to provide a scientific reference as proof?

alclarkey · Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 1360

steen wrote: Plodder wrote: statistically people who see porn more than 7 times become addicts. According to what statistic? Care to provide a scientific reference as proof?
Don't show him any proof until he can provide his own on how pro-lifers lie.

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

alclarkey wrote: steen wrote: Plodder wrote: statistically people who see porn more than 7 times become addicts. According to what statistic? Care to provide a scientific reference as proof?
Don't show him any proof until he can provide his own on how pro-lifers lie. Given that I show details of this eveerytiem I catch you guys in a lie, your answer indicates illiteracy.

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

way to troll

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

Plodder wrote: way to troll Troll? You made a specific claim, and I am merely asking you to document it with some factual evidence.

You call that trolling, being asked to prove youre claims? How lame.

Or were you actually referring to alclarkey who interspersed an irrelevant, personal attack to avoid dealing with the subject? Well, in that case, you probably are right.

henri · Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 338

Plodder wrote: way to troll

Plodder, your motto: "Kill babies, not terrorists" Vote democrat.

Well if Bin Laden was aborted, we don't have 9/11. (A democrat's point)

Or you can say, if Bin Laden was aborted Haliburton and US Big Oil can't make profits. (A republican's point?)

Take your pick.

BTW Mama Bush and Laura Bush are against overturning Roe v Wade.

alclarkey · Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 1360

steen wrote: alclarkey wrote: steen wrote: Plodder wrote: statistically people who see porn more than 7 times become addicts. According to what statistic? Care to provide a scientific reference as proof?
Don't show him any proof until he can provide his own on how pro-lifers lie. Given that I show details of this eveerytiem I catch you guys in a lie, your answer indicates illiteracy.
:rotf: Every time you have caught us in a lie? Thats a good one. Well out with it then show me a time that I have lied. And no "all the time" will not work. Post a link to the thread, and then the evidence that what I said in that thread was a lie. Shouldn't be a problem, should it?

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

alclarkey wrote: steen wrote: alclarkey wrote: steen wrote: Plodder wrote: statistically people who see porn more than 7 times become addicts. According to what statistic? Care to provide a scientific reference as proof? Don't show him any proof until he can provide his own on how pro-lifers lie. Given that I show details of this eveerytiem I catch you guys in a lie, your answer indicates illiteracy. :rotf: Every time you have caught us in a lie? Thats a good one. Well out with it then show me a time that I have lied. And no "all the time" will not work. Post a link to the thread, and then the evidence that what I said in that thread was a lie. Shouldn't be a problem, should it? Well, there are several:
http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50987&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=4
Here you claimed abortion to be murder. A lie.

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50987&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=35
Here you claimed the fetus to be an individual person. A lie.

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52209&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1
Here you claimed abortion to be murder. A lie.

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50062&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=42
here you claimed that maiming from abortion is as likely as maiming from giving birth. A lie.

alclarkey · Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 1360

steen wrote: alclarkey wrote: steen wrote: alclarkey wrote: steen wrote: Plodder wrote: statistically people who see porn more than 7 times become addicts. According to what statistic? Care to provide a scientific reference as proof? Don't show him any proof until he can provide his own on how pro-lifers lie. Given that I show details of this eveerytiem I catch you guys in a lie, your answer indicates illiteracy. :rotf: Every time you have caught us in a lie? Thats a good one. Well out with it then show me a time that I have lied. And no "all the time" will not work. Post a link to the thread, and then the evidence that what I said in that thread was a lie. Shouldn't be a problem, should it? Well, there are several:
http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50987&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=4
Here you claimed abortion to be murder. A lie.

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50987&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=35
Here you claimed the fetus to be an individual person. A lie.

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52209&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1
Here you claimed abortion to be murder. A lie.

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50062&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=42
here you claimed that maiming from abortion is as likely as maiming from giving birth. A lie.
Still missing that critical component: Evidence. Where is your evidence that any of this was a lie?

TheCaliforniaLife · Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 556 Location: California

Sperm carries human chromosomes. It is not human. A ovum carries human chromosomes. It is not human. When a sperm with 23 chromosomes and a ovum with 23 chromosomes come together they form a zygote. When that zygote is formed those 23 human chromosomes come together to make 46 human chromosomes (There are circumstances in which there are 45 or 47 chromosomes. Even though this happens the function of the needed human chromosomes are active.) When this conception occurs is when the zygote becomes a human. The mothers body sends retroviruses to prevent the mothers body from killing (by sending harmful bodily chemicals) the human that is alive in her body. The womens body even knows there is something alive in her.

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

TheCaliforniaLife wrote: Sperm carries human chromosomes. Indeed. It is a human sperm.

Quote: It is not human. Ah, so it is a dog sperm? What dirty thoughts you have.

Quote: A ovum carries human chromosomes. It is not human. Ah, so it is a chicken egg.

Quote: When a sperm with 23 chromosomes and a ovum with 23 chromosomes come together they form a zygote. or a hydatidiform mole.

Quote: When that zygote is formed those 23 human chromosomes come together to make 46 human chromosomes (There are circumstances in which there are 45 or 47 chromosomes. Even though this happens the function of the needed human chromosomes are active.) Why are you reposting the same stuff you posted in another tread? That's spamming.

Quote: When this conception occurs is when the zygote becomes a human. False.

Quote: The mothers body sends retroviruses to prevent the mothers body from killing (by sending harmful bodily chemicals) Evidence?

Quote: the human that is alive in her body. It's only human tissue. Your deceptive attempt at protraying an individual is duly noted.

Quote: The womens body even knows there is something alive in her. Ah, like a tape worm!

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

Quote: or a hydatidiform mole. when the mole is formed the logical conclusion is that the baby had died.

Quote: TheCaliforniaLife wrote:
Sperm carries human chromosomes.

Indeed. It is a human sperm.

Quote:
It is not human.

Ah, so it is a dog sperm? What dirty thoughts you have.

Quote:
A ovum carries human chromosomes. It is not human.

Ah, so it is a chicken egg.
Once again going back to the personal attacks and lewd satemants.

Quote: False.
so you deny that a zygote is a human life?

Quote: It's only human tissue. so are you.

[quote]Evidence? [/quote simplw the umbilical cord when tranfering nutrients and blood also brings anto bodies into the babys developing body.

Quote: Ah, like a tape worm a atpe worm will never ever bring any good into the world to benefit the host.

Quote: Where is your evidence that any of this was a lie? we still are waiting

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

Plodder wrote: Quote: or a hydatidiform mole. when the mole is formed the logical conclusion is that the baby had died. Your answer shows that you still don't understand what a hydatidiform mole is. It is formed at conception, not later. So there is no "baby" there to begin with. It is what it is from the very beginning.

Quote: Once again going back to the personal attacks and lewd satemants. Merely pointing out that your argument is nonsense.

Quote: Quote: False. so you deny that a zygote is a human life? It is human ilfe.

Quote: Quote: It's only human tissue. so are you. With sentiense added in.

Quote: Quote: Evidence? simplw the umbilical cord when tranfering nutrients and blood also brings anto bodies into the babys developing body. And how does that prove that "The mothers body sends retroviruses to prevent the mothers body from killing (by sending harmful bodily chemicals)"? Retroviruses are not anti-bodies, after all. So exactly what is the evidence for your claim?

Quote: Quote: Ah, like a tape worm a atpe worm will never ever bring any good into the world to benefit the host. Ah, like an unwanted pregnancy.

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

a baby is not a pregnancy and all your attampts to dehumanize a baby will fail just give up.

oh and we still are waiting for the proof that you claim to have

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

Plodder wrote: a baby is not a pregnancy Correct. The baby comes about when the pregnancy ends at birth. very good. The first truthful thing you have said in days.

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

obviously you are illiterate. I was saying that calling a babay a pregnancy is just another liberal way to dehumanize the baby.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 8310

Plodder wrote: obviously you are illiterate. I was saying that calling a babay a pregnancy is just another liberal way to dehumanize the baby.

Why do you choose to demonize an entire group of people based on political ideals? This is an issue of abortion, not an issue of political preference. Stop attacking liberalism as a whole, and debate your opponents, not the entire caste of liberals in the world.

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

most if not all liberals (social not economic) beilve in abortion, find me someone who belives in euthansia but not in abortion ect.

Once again you prove that you read my posts but not steens because he makes generalizations about all prolifers too.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 8310

Plodder wrote: most if not all liberals (social not economic) beilve in abortion, find me someone who belives in euthansia but not in abortion ect.

Once again you prove that you read my posts but not steens because he makes generalizations about all prolifers too.

In relation to the argument, yet the debate over liberalism is not an issue. Since I stand on the side of pro-choice, but am pro-life when it's my child, I like to read both sides of the debate before I comment. It is both interesting to see others views, as well as learn what both sides bring to the debate table. Debate is a chance to learn as well as argue, but don't attack an entire group of people to "support" your issues.