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[Hume]

This is amoung some interesting upcoming cases on abortion:

A woman becomes pregnant. She decides that she wants to have an abortion; however, her partner decides that he wants the child. Does he have a claim to this child assuming he will take up the responsibilities involved? If so, is the woman obligated to give financial aid, as a man is now in the opposite situation?

I think this is an extremely difficult issue. Truly, if we are to give both genders equal rights, the male is entitled to the baby even if the mother doesn't want to give birth, just as a woman can decide to give birth even if the father doesn't want her to. The same logic should follow concerning the finances.

However, this is where gender equality clashes with obvious biological differences. While a mother deciding to give birth despite the male's wishes causes him no pain, a male forcing his wife to give birth will result in (from what I hear) extreme physical pain. Also, as we see with the current 'Man's Roe vs. Wade" case, abortion rights really aren't equal across gender lines.

Thoughts?

[alclarkey]

Given that I believe all abortion should be illegal anyways, I would say that if a man takes custody of a child, yes the woman should provide financial assistance.

[WsTxRedRaider06]

I guess its a catch 22......The Man, while not having the physical responsibility to carry the child, does not have the right to end the burden of childbirth either, as the woman does. I guess you cant have one without the other. While I dont believe ALL abortion should be illegal, I believe it should not be as open and free as it is now. Abortion on demand. I do believe, that both party's, have a responsibility to see that the child has the best chance at life, and is taken care of. And I still believe that fighting with each other for gender rights and equality, when the life and well being a child is involved, is wrong.

[Snarf]

Hume wrote: This is amoung some interesting upcoming cases on abortion:

A woman becomes pregnant. She decides that she wants to have an abortion; however, her partner decides that he wants the child. Does he have a claim to this child assuming he will take up the responsibilities involved? If so, is the woman obligated to give financial aid, as a man is now in the opposite situation?

I think this is an extremely difficult issue. Truly, if we are to give both genders equal rights, the male is entitled to the baby even if the mother doesn't want to give birth, just as a woman can decide to give birth even if the father doesn't want her to. The same logic should follow concerning the finances.

However, this is where gender equality clashes with obvious biological differences. While a mother deciding to give birth despite the male's wishes causes him no pain, a male forcing his wife to give birth will result in (from what I hear) extreme physical pain. Also, as we see with the current 'Man's Roe vs. Wade" case, abortion rights really aren't equal across gender lines.

Thoughts?
It's her body and therefore her call all the way as she does the real work. If men want a say in the matter, they should keep their pants on or invest in many condoms that they use without fail. We may be equal in many ways before the law but not when it comes to bringing life into the world. On that point, women have all the balls in their court so choose who you have sex with thoughtfully...

[Korimyr the Rat]

Hume wrote: Does he have a claim to this child assuming he will take up the responsibilities involved?

Until the child is born, this is biologically impossible. Thus, any claim he makes of the child before it is independent from the mother is unsupportable.

Hume wrote: ... just as a woman can decide to give birth even if the father doesn't want her to.

This is the problem. It isn't that the woman can choose to have a child, it is that she can choose to legally obligate the man to support that child. There is a difference-- an important difference-- between producing children and raising them.

If he didn't want his genetic material to be used to create a child, he should have kept it to himself. The courts have upheld that any semen left in the posession of a sex partner is a "gift".

[Ek0nomik]

Snarf wrote: It's her body and therefore her call all the way as she does the real work. If men want a say in the matter, they should keep their pants on or invest in many condoms that they use without fail. We may be equal in many ways before the law but not when it comes to bringing life into the world. On that point, women have all the balls in their court so choose who you have sex with thoughtfully...

Snarf ftw!

Women have control over this situation. It takes both a man and a woman to produce the child, but the woman goes through all the work.

[Plodder]

once again we reduce a child to property. it has its own right to live independednt form the wishes of its parens

[joe christian]

Hume wrote: This is amoung some interesting upcoming cases on abortion:

A woman becomes pregnant. She decides that she wants to have an abortion; however, her partner decides that he wants the child. Does he have a claim to this child assuming he will take up the responsibilities involved?
From a lawful Judeo-Christian POV, the father not only has a claim to his child, he has a claim to marriage with his sexual partner and she has no right to abort his child or to marry another man.

[steen]

Plodder wrote: once again we reduce a child to property. it has its own right to live independednt form the wishes of its parens Nope, we are not talking about children. We are talking about embryos, and in some cases we are talking about fetuses.

[Plodder]

Are you human? like think reasonably?

[steen]

Plodder wrote: Are you human? like think reasonably? Was this some form of argument? :!?:

[Plodder]

no it was a question for one who has an IQ of 50

[spearsy23]

Plodder wrote: no it was a question for one who has an IQ of 50

Yes because anyone with an IQ of over fifty could see it was idiotic.

[Plodder]

a child is any humanl life under the age of 18( or 13 for some people.)

so yes we are talkin about children

[XXXBlondieXXX]

Well, seeing as how I believe abortion should be illegal, except in extreme cases, I think that the women should have to pay child support. Men have to do it all the time, yet its not often I have seen a women doing it. Yes, the woman goes through a lot of pain (i know this from experience) but she ends up not having to deal with the child, so why not?

[Plodder]

Pain is nothing. ok back track, its painful. Mu Jazz band teacher just had a boy. his wife was in labor for 12 hours. it was her first time. however, you cannot compare pain to death. pain is temporary, death is forever.

[steen]

Plodder wrote: a child is any humanl life under the age of 18( or 13 for some people.) Nope, your definition is false,.

Quote: so yes we are talkin about children Only in your overheated pro-life imagination and revisionist linguistic hyperbole.

[Plodder]

Quote: Nope, your definition is false,.
ok whats tours then ( hey im giving you a chance to got to dictionary.com and actually look up the defenition it gives

by the way a common idiom is "being with child"

[steen]

Plodder wrote: by the way a common idiom is "being with child" And my wife calls our do "baby." Idioms are not facts.

[Plodder]

i know that my computer lags bu you are rediculous. i know that we all have computer problems tho. obviously you cant get to that dictionary!