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Nathyn · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 8505 Location: The Great Satan

If either the Neocons take over or there's another world war followed by a global dystopia, how're you going to defend yourself? Have the ACLU sue your enemies to death?

Zoot · Joined: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 2385

Do people who own guns not have their phones tapped?

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:47 pm Post subject:

Well done you reslised the point of the 2nd ammendment.

To protect you from the goverement.

foadi · Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 14219 Location: BKK

Nathyn wrote: another world war followed by a global dystopia
taht sounds awesmoe

Nathyn · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 8505 Location: The Great Satan

Zoot wrote: Do people who own guns not have their phones tapped?
People who own guns can defend themselves in case the government goes any further.

Snoop · Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 6722

Nathyn wrote: If either the Neocons take over or there's another world war followed by a global dystopia, how're you going to defend yourself? Have the ACLU sue your enemies to death?

Darn strait. When the neo-cons take over and the 1st Calvary Division invades my mountain hideaway Ima gona pop some caps in them thar M1A2's, cause gosh darn it ma gun protects ma friadom.

*thinks about how much good it would do*

On second thought maybe I will just vote them out of office instead.

FinnMacCool · Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 2786

I support the 2nd ammendant but I have to say that if your looking for a few handguns and even some military rifles to protect yourself from the government, your f****d.

They have bombs, missles, plenty of guns ammo, they have the mindless obediance of the masses, propaganda and, within their reach, they could have pretty much anything else if they wanted.

What will your gun do to protect you from massive propaganda? The biggest enemy is your next door neighbor. Will you shoot him?

Trajan · Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Posts: 6584 Location: SE PA

Snoop wrote: Nathyn wrote: If either the Neocons take over or there's another world war followed by a global dystopia, how're you going to defend yourself? Have the ACLU sue your enemies to death?

Darn strait. When the neo-cons take over and the 1st Calvary Division invades my mountain hideaway Ima gona pop some caps in them thar M1A2's, cause gosh darn it ma gun protects ma friadom.

*thinks about how much good it would do*

On second thought maybe I will just vote them out of office instead.

Much better sense.

Like I told this militia guy, "Have all the rifles and shotguns and pistols you want. A single B-2 will bomb you back to the stone age. And you'll never even see it."

james_bond755 · Joined: 07 Feb 2006 Posts: 135 Location: British Columbia

hmmmmmmm......very interesting indeed, i just have to say if you want guns, have them, not a bazooka of course, and if you dont have them, move to a different kind of neighbourhood or try and live without them. It's simple

Nathyn · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 8505 Location: The Great Satan

Snoop wrote: Nathyn wrote: If either the Neocons take over or there's another world war followed by a global dystopia, how're you going to defend yourself? Have the ACLU sue your enemies to death?

Darn strait. When the neo-cons take over and the 1st Calvary Division invades my mountain hideaway Ima gona pop some caps in them thar M1A2's, cause gosh darn it ma gun protects ma friadom.

*thinks about how much good it would do*

On second thought maybe I will just vote them out of office instead.
It worked in 2000 and 2004.

Oh, wait, no it didn't. The votes were fixed.

I'll keep my 2nd amendment rights just in case, thanks.

FinnMacCool wrote: I support the 2nd ammendant but I have to say that if your looking for a few handguns and even some military rifles to protect yourself from the government, your f****d.

They have bombs, missles, plenty of guns ammo, they have the mindless obediance of the masses, propaganda and, within their reach, they could have pretty much anything else if they wanted.

What will your gun do to protect you from massive propaganda? The biggest enemy is your next door neighbor. Will you shoot him?
If they overturned the Brady Laws, I think we'd be good. The government and military is powerful, but they can't fight any war, whether domestic or foreign, without civilian support.

Nathyn · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 8505 Location: The Great Satan

james_bond755 wrote: hmmmmmmm......very interesting indeed, i just have to say if you want guns, have them, not a bazooka of course, and if you dont have them, move to a different kind of neighbourhood or try and live without them. It's simple
Why not a bazooka?

I believe people should be able to own any weapons that they can carry on foot. That means grenade-launchers, flame-throwers, bazookas, and fully-automatic rifles. No tanks, no missile turrets, etc.

Grand Conspirator · Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 53 Location: Upstate New York

Isn't there a gun control subforum?

Democrat · Joined: 21 Feb 2004 Posts: 1424 Location: New Jersey

Grand Conspirator wrote: Isn't there a gun control subforum?

Thank you, moder--wait, you aren't a moderator...

Democrat

james_bond755 · Joined: 07 Feb 2006 Posts: 135 Location: British Columbia

Ha ha...this is quite humorous. But this thread isn't just about gun control, its about the grand scheme behin it. Now lets be honet "Nathyn", peole should not be allowed to have bazookas or grenade launchers. Come on...to regulate something like that...who would get them and who wouldn't? How cand you decide who gets a weapon like that? Its stupid.

Tracker · Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:03 pm Post subject:

FinnMacCool wrote: I support the 2nd ammendant but I have to say that if your looking for a few handguns and even some military rifles to protect yourself from the government, your f****d.

They have bombs, missles, plenty of guns ammo, they have the mindless obediance of the masses, propaganda and, within their reach, they could have pretty much anything else if they wanted.

What will your gun do to protect you from massive propaganda? The biggest enemy is your next door neighbor. Will you shoot him?

Good points. And learned from East German Stazi-style neighborhoods, your family, friends and co-workers will hatefully rumor-monger you from 'good' to 'bad' in 60-seconds or less -- any excuse will do -- in order to 'appear more enlightened and favorable' to ... errrr ... uhhhh ... the same horrible people doing the same horrible things to each other.

Oh wait -- that's Hometown, USA -- now.

Here's my WAVE to wash away HATE with PEACE and LOVE again: (-)And(+)Equals Hate/Nothing/Death/DeathWorship

-- that's the ROOT of all religions since ancient times -- a simple equation (+1-1=0)
-- I wrote it to stop the hateful religious supremacy that pits beloved-neighbor against beloved-neighbor and bring peace to earth, not 'off' ... ON.
-- feel my WAVE to the CORE of your BEINGS ... it's 'ripples' will be with you forever and spread everywhere, eventually. Nobody has the right to claim 'I'm positive' and all 'negatives' should be jailed/fired/fined/harrassed/hated/ignored/scorned/cast-out/despised ... and only religion HATES peaceONearth/heaveONearth. Time for religion to RETURN TO IT'S ROOT or be seized as the terrorist incubators they've publicly PROVED by promoting FinalBattles in their ideology of HATE.

Thrilla · Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 22703 Location: Sin City

Democrat wrote: Grand Conspirator wrote: Isn't there a gun control subforum?

Thank you, moder--wait, you aren't a moderator...

Democrat but i am .. and he is correct..

moved

Nathyn · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 8505 Location: The Great Satan

james_bond755 wrote: Ha ha...this is quite humorous. But this thread isn't just about gun control, its about the grand scheme behin it. Now lets be honet "Nathyn", peole should not be allowed to have bazookas or grenade launchers. Come on...to regulate something like that...who would get them and who wouldn't? How cand you decide who gets a weapon like that? Its stupid.
The capability to get such weapons already exists and the mere possibility of democratic erosion in America is a far greater threat than a few psychos with bazookas.

To clarify, however, I support allowing states to regulate it to some extent. So, if some states want to have bazookas and others don't, so be it. But federal gun control is grossly unnecessary and is welcomed by both Democrats AND Republicans, because they're both basically just ignorant Liberals. And when I say that, I don't mean to discredit Liberals as a whole, because I myself am a Liberal. But rather, when I say Republicans and Democrats are all "dumb Liberals," I mean that they both primarily center their ideologies around a regard for liberty, but both of them are fairly stupid, with Republicans usually taking the lead for supreme idiocy.

Furthermore, the two largest studies on gun control, by the Center for Disease Control and the U.N., both showed that the results of gun control are inconclusive. It neither decreases nor increases crime necessarily. In some areas, gun control was enacted and crime increased, in other areas crime decreased, and in other areas, nothing happened. Now, based on such dubious results, for what reason should we restrict liberty? The left-wing argument is purely philosophical and conjectural, all apriori with not a shred of empirical evidence to back it up. Oh, and though John Lott's gun control study was rather slanted, it's also notable too.

Now with that said, I think it's just common sense that in inner-city areas, with lots of gangs, obviously, gun control could probably have some use, so it should be left up to the states, as I said. But if you're out in the middle of the mid-west with absolutely no gangs whatsoever, for what reason should you need to register your guns? We need to register guns now that we didn't need to register 100 years ago. It's ridiculous... Especially if you don't live anywhere near a major city where your location could be a nearby SOURCE for gangs' firearms.

TheWeeklyDebacle · Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 103

Nathyn wrote: If either the Neocons take over or there's another world war followed by a global dystopia, how're you going to defend yourself? Have the ACLU sue your enemies to death?

The second amendment to the constitution of the United States:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This does not necessarily mean that an individual is guaranteed the right to keep firearms at home. It is a highly debated issue.

The overall fatality rate in gun robberies is an estimated 4 per 1,000, and I'd like to remind you that one is too many.

Nathyn · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 8505 Location: The Great Satan

TheWeeklyDebacle wrote: Nathyn wrote: If either the Neocons take over or there's another world war followed by a global dystopia, how're you going to defend yourself? Have the ACLU sue your enemies to death?

The second amendment to the constitution of the United States:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This does not necessarily mean that an individual is guaranteed the right to keep firearms at home. It is a highly debated issue.

The overall fatality rate in gun robberies is an estimated 4 per 1,000, and I'd like to remind you that one is too many.
Simply because there are deaths doesn't warrant any extreme measure to deal with it. There are deaths from hurricanes, bears, and so on. But we aren't going to build a giant wall around every city to protect every human being from harm.

Gun control does nothing to stop crime. Even if you eliminate guns, people will just rob stores with knives instead.

And furthermore, as I said, the chance of an eroding democracy is a greater threat than a few idiots with guns.

TheWeeklyDebacle · Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 103

Nathyn wrote: TheWeeklyDebacle wrote: Nathyn wrote: If either the Neocons take over or there's another world war followed by a global dystopia, how're you going to defend yourself? Have the ACLU sue your enemies to death?

The second amendment to the constitution of the United States:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This does not necessarily mean that an individual is guaranteed the right to keep firearms at home. It is a highly debated issue.

The overall fatality rate in gun robberies is an estimated 4 per 1,000, and I'd like to remind you that one is too many.
Simply because there are deaths doesn't warrant any extreme measure to deal with it. There are deaths from hurricanes, bears, and so on. But we aren't going to build a giant wall around every city to protect every human being from harm.

Gun control does nothing to stop crime. Even if you eliminate guns, people will just rob stores with knives instead.

And furthermore, as I said, the chance of an eroding democracy is a greater threat than a few idiots with guns.

You're forgetting that a person's reaction to a knife is quite different than his/her reaction to a gun. This is a key reason why guns are DIFFERENT than hurricanes (which are not analogous to guns in any way as they are not weapons, unless you believe they are god's weapons), bears, etc.

In response to the last thing you mentioned, of an "eroding democracy" (as if democracy entails citizens owning lethal weapons), ask yourself: Why do Americans feel safer with weapons that in reality increase the likelihood that they will be killed by gunfire?