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[William Amos]

this is on a Muslim website

there is a feirece debate in Islamic circles about the revelation that one of Mohammeds wives was only 9 years old.

Also I noticed they changed the age of one of his wives to age 19 saying "there is no proof other than the Koran which we changed to make it sound better"

So some defend it others say it is wrong. So what is the truth here ?

http://www.themodernreligion.com/prophet/prophet_aisha.htm

A. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married Aisha ® because he was a pedophile?
Definition of a Pedophile:

"Pedophile: also spelled PEDOPHILIA, psychosexual disorder in which an adult's arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical pedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with an adult." Encyclopedia Britannica, 1998


Statistics from the above table:
Percentage of his wives who were 17years and older = 91 %

Percentage of his wives who were widows = 75%


Comment: The statistics show that the prophet’s marriage to Aisha at her young age was an exception and not a norm of his other marriages. Furthermore ‘a pedophile’s main mode of sexual satisfaction is with prepubescent girls’, which is contradictory to the 91% of prophet’s marriage to women 17 years and over. An unbiased examination of Prophet’s life and his marriages to his wives blatantly rejects the notion of his lifestyle fitting that of a pedophile. All his brides were aged widows (except Aisha and Marium).
Moreover, according to the criteria in the references cited above in ‘Synopsis of Psychiatry’, a vast majority of pedophiles possess a history of exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape. Again, there is no single reference from either religious or secular sources that the noble Prophet ever indulged in such sadistic behavior (God forbid). This truth is observed and accepted by both Muslims and unbiased non-Muslims scholars.

"It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher." – Annie Besant, THE LIFE AND TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD, Madras, 1932, p. 4.

Others claim that the noble Prophet (peace be upon him) indulged in child-abuse when he married Aisha at her young age.

Let scrutinize this allegation…

Definition of Child Abuse:

Child Abuse, also called CRUELTY TO CHILDREN, the willful and unjustifiable infliction of pain and suffering on children. The term can denote the use of inordinate physical violence; unjustifiable verbal abuse; the failure to furnish proper shelter, nourishment, medical treatment, or emotional support; incest; other cases of sexual molestation or rape; and the making of child pornography. Frequently described by the medical profession as the "battered-child syndrome," abusive treatment of children is almost universally proscribed by criminal statutes. Child abuse can have serious future consequences for the victims involved. Delays in physical growth, impaired language and cognitive abilities, and problems in personality development, learning, and behavior are common following instances of child abuse or neglect.Encyclopedia Britannica, 1998


Comment: None of the criteria of child-abuse applies to the noble life of the Prophet (pbuh). There is no single incident of any infliction of pain and suffering by the prophet on Aisha or any other human being for that matter. Neither any instance of verbal or sexual abuse can be concluded from the relationship of the prophet with Aisha ® or any of his wives.

An abused child can have serious future consequences…delayed physical growth, impaired language..learning and behavior…etc (above definition). As one examines the chaste life of Aisha ®, her personality, physical, mental and spiritual development are all contrary to that of an abused child. In fact through the Prophet’s marriage and his guidance to Aisha, history testifies that she should be labeled not as an abused child but as a ‘blessed child’.

After analyzing and refuting the accusations against the noble character of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), the only viable alternative left with us is:
C. The Prophet married Aisha for the benefit of Islam and Humanity.

Lets analyze…


The Prophet married Aisha primarily for three reasons:
To reinforce the friendly relations already existing with Abu Bakr (his closest companion).
To educate and train Aisha so she may serve the purposes of Islam.
To teach her to utilize her capabilities for the sake of Islam.
Her Marriage with the prophet was a Wahi (Divine Revelation). She, herself relates from the Prophet, ‘He said, "I saw you in dreams three times. The angel brought you to me and you were clad in white silk. He (the angel) said that it was your consort and he (angel) showed me by opening your face. You are just like that…" Sahih Muslim, Vol.2, p.285.

Aisha ® was born after her parents had embraced Islam. Therefore, she was free from the defilement of polytheism right from her birth.

In her youth, already known for her striking beauty and her formidable memory, she came under the loving care and attention of the Prophet himself. As his wife and close companion she acquired from him knowledge and insight such as no woman has ever acquired.

[Saracen]

William Amos wrote: this is on a Muslim website

there is a feirece debate in Islamic circles about the revelation that one of Mohammeds wives was only 9 years old.

Also I noticed they changed the age of one of his wives to age 19 saying "there is no proof other than the Koran which we changed to make it sound better"

So some defend it others say it is wrong. So what is the truth here ?

http://www.themodernreligion.com/prophet/prophet_aisha.htm

A. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married Aisha ® because he was a pedophile?
Definition of a Pedophile:

"Pedophile: also spelled PEDOPHILIA, psychosexual disorder in which an adult's arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical pedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with an adult." Encyclopedia Britannica, 1998


Statistics from the above table:
Percentage of his wives who were 17years and older = 91 %

Percentage of his wives who were widows = 75%


Comment: The statistics show that the prophet’s marriage to Aisha at her young age was an exception and not a norm of his other marriages. Furthermore ‘a pedophile’s main mode of sexual satisfaction is with prepubescent girls’, which is contradictory to the 91% of prophet’s marriage to women 17 years and over. An unbiased examination of Prophet’s life and his marriages to his wives blatantly rejects the notion of his lifestyle fitting that of a pedophile. All his brides were aged widows (except Aisha and Marium).
Moreover, according to the criteria in the references cited above in ‘Synopsis of Psychiatry’, a vast majority of pedophiles possess a history of exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape. Again, there is no single reference from either religious or secular sources that the noble Prophet ever indulged in such sadistic behavior (God forbid). This truth is observed and accepted by both Muslims and unbiased non-Muslims scholars.

"It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher." – Annie Besant, THE LIFE AND TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD, Madras, 1932, p. 4.

Others claim that the noble Prophet (peace be upon him) indulged in child-abuse when he married Aisha at her young age.

Let scrutinize this allegation…

Definition of Child Abuse:

Child Abuse, also called CRUELTY TO CHILDREN, the willful and unjustifiable infliction of pain and suffering on children. The term can denote the use of inordinate physical violence; unjustifiable verbal abuse; the failure to furnish proper shelter, nourishment, medical treatment, or emotional support; incest; other cases of sexual molestation or rape; and the making of child pornography. Frequently described by the medical profession as the "battered-child syndrome," abusive treatment of children is almost universally proscribed by criminal statutes. Child abuse can have serious future consequences for the victims involved. Delays in physical growth, impaired language and cognitive abilities, and problems in personality development, learning, and behavior are common following instances of child abuse or neglect.Encyclopedia Britannica, 1998


Comment: None of the criteria of child-abuse applies to the noble life of the Prophet (pbuh). There is no single incident of any infliction of pain and suffering by the prophet on Aisha or any other human being for that matter. Neither any instance of verbal or sexual abuse can be concluded from the relationship of the prophet with Aisha ® or any of his wives.

An abused child can have serious future consequences…delayed physical growth, impaired language..learning and behavior…etc (above definition). As one examines the chaste life of Aisha ®, her personality, physical, mental and spiritual development are all contrary to that of an abused child. In fact through the Prophet’s marriage and his guidance to Aisha, history testifies that she should be labeled not as an abused child but as a ‘blessed child’.

After analyzing and refuting the accusations against the noble character of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), the only viable alternative left with us is:
C. The Prophet married Aisha for the benefit of Islam and Humanity.

Lets analyze…


The Prophet married Aisha primarily for three reasons:
To reinforce the friendly relations already existing with Abu Bakr (his closest companion).
To educate and train Aisha so she may serve the purposes of Islam.
To teach her to utilize her capabilities for the sake of Islam.
Her Marriage with the prophet was a Wahi (Divine Revelation). She, herself relates from the Prophet, ‘He said, "I saw you in dreams three times. The angel brought you to me and you were clad in white silk. He (the angel) said that it was your consort and he (angel) showed me by opening your face. You are just like that…" Sahih Muslim, Vol.2, p.285.

Aisha ® was born after her parents had embraced Islam. Therefore, she was free from the defilement of polytheism right from her birth.

In her youth, already known for her striking beauty and her formidable memory, she came under the loving care and attention of the Prophet himself. As his wife and close companion she acquired from him knowledge and insight such as no woman has ever acquired.

Three things:
1- Muhammad (pbuh) was not a pedophile. Life expectancies at that time were short, and girls reached puberty at younger ages. He married her at age 9. Nothing wrong with that. It was not a forced marriage, and it's obvious that the person here is stating facts and backs them up with sources regarding the marriage of the Prophet (pbuh) to Aisha. So, there's nothing wrong. And he did a good job.
2- You are seriously posting with sensationalism at the expense of accuracy, Amos. You want people to consider debating with you, stop posting stuff that you don't know about. We don't need to teach you that.
3- You've obviously posted an Islamic topic, which does not belong in P and G, so... it's in before the move.

[Sparse1]

I think it's just possible that laws on the age of consent may have been slightly different a thousand years ago.

Just a guess. :roll:

[eXploiTeD]

If Aisha was chaste, I don't see what the problem is.

[Saracen]

eXploiTeD wrote: If Aisha was chaste, I don't see what the problem is.

She was.

[Demonic Spoon]

Who really gives a rats ass?

In Greece, women were married off at age 12. Maybe, just maybe, the culture was a tad different?

[Saracen]

Demonic Spoon wrote: Who really gives a rats ass?

In Greece, women were married off at age 12. Maybe, just maybe, the culture was a tad different?

Exactly.

[jeechoscopy]

Mother Aysha is as respectable personality as Mother Maryam is... Critique is a creativity not only of the age...

[Muslima]

We can't debate and argue on something happened more than a century ago for

1. We have no right to (judging people without knowledge is lame)

2. Nothing bad happened behind this marrige to islam and muslims

3. it is the prophet we are speaking about and nothing he did was wrong

[LetsGetReal]

Yes times have changed but at 9 is there an apparent purpose to this marriage? She can't have kids, she can't have intellectual conversation, what was his purpose to marry her? I'm not judging because his actions have no effect on me I'm just curious..

[Saracen]

LetsGetReal wrote: Yes times have changed but at 9 is there an apparent purpose to this marriage? She can't have kids, she can't have intellectual conversation, what was his purpose to marry her? I'm not judging because his actions have no effect on me I'm just curious..

Well, to be honest, Muhammad (pbuh) and Aisha were fond of each other even before marriage. She married the Prophet when she was 9.

As for the main reasons, I know them, but I can't really put my finger on those specific reasons.

[LetsGetReal]

I'm just going to but out to sensitive of subject to poke my nose in when I know little of Islam..

[Saracen]

LetsGetReal wrote: I'm just going to but out to sensitive of subject to poke my nose in when I know little of Islam..

That's alright. Ask whatever questions you want, buddy. We're here for ya. :)

You can find out more about the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) here.

http://www.muhammad.net/