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thintheherd · Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:55 am Post subject:

jasonireland wrote: trying to convert? i would never try in a million years, you dont believe anything i say anyway.
Great! We finally agree!

jasonireland wrote: people do not like being presented with a truth that is harsh to them and they are part of.
Then you must really hate hearing the truth in the statement that I (and those that follow the rules of nature) truly believe that animals are indeed resources for our consumption. No different than the herd of buffalo are to the lion.

jasonireland · Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 189

"the rules of nature" (see above)
rules according to whom? mankind? how exactly does one go about establishing a rule of nature? is there somewhere i can find them all written down in bulletin form? please, enlighten me.
i suppose its another one of your "rules of nature" that lets us destroy the planet all to our own benefit, because we have every "right" to do so.as if it is serving us and not the other way around like it should be.

the lion needs meat to survive,look at its atonomy.
humans do not need meat to survive, there is an abundance to evidence to back this up. you cannot compare the two. its useless.[/i]

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

jasonireland wrote: "the rules of nature" (see above)
rules according to whom? mankind? how exactly does one go about establishing a rule of nature? is there somewhere i can find them all written down in bulletin form? please, enlighten me.
i suppose its another one of your "rules of nature" that lets us destroy the planet all to our own benefit, because we have every "right" to do so.as if it is serving us and not the other way around like it should be.

the lion needs meat to survive,look at its atonomy.
humans do not need meat to survive, there is an abundance to evidence to back this up. you cannot compare the two. its useless.[/i]

Our anatomy is not the anatomy of an herbivore, but of an omnivore. Our anatomical characteristics are midway between that of a carnivore and a herbivore. Our digestive system compared to body weight is intermediate in size between carnivores and herbivores. Our dentition is intermediate between carnivores and herbivores. We are designed to eat almost everything, both vegetable and animal. I will grant that Americans eat too much meat. However, that doesn't mean that we should totally avoid meat. There are some nutrients that are hard (not impossible) to get without meat.

jasonireland · Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 189

perdidochas, i wholeheartedly agree
but see the other thread about cancer for more health reasons

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

jasonireland wrote: perdidochas, i wholeheartedly agree
but see the other thread about cancer for more health reasons

The problem with those correlations is that they didn't take into account ALL of the environmental factors involved in cancer. Any study that doesn't, is incomplete.

For example, the correlation between lung cancer and animal fat. Without information about smoking, pollution, etc., it's a useless statistic. Did you know that the amount of fire damage done to a building is correlated with the number of fire engines that come to the fire? Does that mean that fire engines make for worse fires? Of course not.

jasonireland · Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 189

no there is a direct link in the diagrams as i stated above and if you cannot see it you must be ignoring it. all the diferent types of cancer.

jasonireland · Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 189

here is the link
http://www.vegsource.com/harris/cancer_vegdiet.htm
notice the pattern in all of the diagrams

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

jasonireland wrote: no there is a direct link in the diagrams as i stated above and if you cannot see it you must be ignoring it. all the diferent types of cancer.

There's not enough information in the article posted to come to that conclusion. I don't see that confounding variables were controlled for in any of those studies. (I'm not saying that they weren't, but the article didn't show us enough information to judge either way).

forthegreatergood · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 366

perdidochas wrote: forthegreatergood wrote: Quote: Go team Omni eaters :wink:

source: http://www.veg.ca/newsletr/janfeb97/athlete.html

Vegetarian diet for athletes
by Dr. Benjamin Spock

Fortunately, today we have the information as well as the testimonies of many athletes to substantiate the benefits of plant-based diets. Dave Scott, considered to be the world's greatest triathlete, holds a degree in exercise physiology. In his own words, it's a "ridiculous fallacy" to think that athletes need animal protein. He is joined in his views by such Olympians as Edwin Moses, the gold medalist who went eight years without losing the 400-meter hurdle competition, and Murray Rose who, at age 17, won three gold medals in the Olympic swim competition.Dave Scott, six-time Ironman Triathlon winner

This year, I was glad to see Olympic champion Carl Lewis crown his career with his best long jump in two years to win a record-tying ninth gold medal. Lewis, of course, is a longtime vegetarian [vegan] whose dietary changes developed out of his moral and religious convictions. Several years ago Leroy Burrell and Carl Lewis traded titles back and forth when they were being hailed as the fastest sprinters in the world - both were vegetarians.

Whether you are a world class athlete, a weekend athlete, or simply a recreational exerciser, we now know that you can meet your performance objectives, and improve your health by eating a plant-based diet that meets your energy needs. Even at my present age, 93, I found that switching to a plant-based diet improved my health dramatically.

Dr. Benjamin Spock, New Century Nutrition, Sept. 1996

Dr. Spock is a fallible reference,. In the 1960s, he promoted discipline free parenting. He has since said he was wrong.

Well I am not completely informed on the discipline free parenting issue of Dr. Spock, but that has nothing to do with the above article being valid. Do you agree with the above article or not? Why do you agree or not agree with the article?

Mucks · Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 816 Location: Colorado

You fools! You blind, ignorant fools! (Well, not all of you.)

The best diet is somewhere in between. Yes, have a garden where you grow fruits and vegetables. Eat lots of them. These things are good for you. But also know how to hunt, and include meat as a part of your diet. It provides good protein (which can be gotten in other ways, it's true) and it tastes DELICIOUS! Meat is f***ing awesome! Plus, if you have a drought, or animals get into your crops, or there's an early frost, you won't starve.

We are omnivores for a reason. Geez, I would've thought this kind of thing would be obvious.