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[steen]

Brighton wrote: If there is anyone out there who wants to discuss this subject in an intelligent way, please respond. That would be lovely. A discussion on scientific facts, not on emotional histrionics and pro-life made-up revisionist linguistic hyperbole. That would be very refreshing. I am all game if you are.

[steen]

bubblybuddy wrote: The answer is simple: don't have sex because pregnancy is ALWAYS a possibility. The answer is simple: don't smoke because lung cancer is ALWAYS a possibility.

Oh, wait, we still treat lung cancer. In fact, we treat all sorts of unwanted outcomes of our own voluntary actions. So that's kind of a lame argument.

[steen]

aLienaTeD wrote: Remind me again of the reasons that justify the coercion of one individual by another. Ah, "individual"! Like the woman. Yes, you seek to coerce her. Thanks for admitting this is wrong.

[Robodoon]

johnson wrote: I'm wondering what pro-lifers think should happpen to babies:

- born to drug addicts and homeless
- born to the unemployed and poor who can't afford them
- born to woman who didn't want them in the first place

I'm also wondering why prolifers fail to see how quickly a black-market would arise for babies, which would often lead to a life of HELL for the child.

Are you prolifer ready to adopt 20 kids or are you preaching without having the moral authority to do so?

The pro-lifers I know all have 1, 2 or 3 kids... not very "pro-life" if you ask me, they're like flower children who's etheral ideals quickly fall prey to their material desires.

Maybe people shouldn't be having sex if they can't have the babies?

See what happens when Christianity is removed? Things fall apart.

The Pro Choice movement is designed to Kill minorities not help them.

Or that video, of Planned Parenthood where the kill the Christian and it is seen as good thing.

Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood
As you read on you will soon discover that I have primarily relied on material which can be readily found in books, audio-taped interviews, and public news sources. If you take the time to check my references, you will soon discover that there really are those who have publicly advocated the elimination of "human weeds" and "the cleansing of society." Indeed, to this very day your tax money is used to finance Planned Parenthood, an organization founded by Margaret Sanger. During the 1930s Margaret Sanger openly supported the Nazi plan for genetic engineering of the German population, and the propagation of a "super race."
In Planned Parenthood's 1985 "Annual Report" leaders of that organization proclaimed that they were, "Proud of our past, and planning for our future." 3
How could anyone possibly claim to be proud of the organization founded by Margaret Sanger when history records that she wrote of the necessity of: "the extermination of 'human weeds' ...the 'cessation of charity,' ... the segregation of 'morons, misfits, and the maladjusted,' and ... the sterilization of 'genetically inferior races.'"4
Margaret Sanger published "The Birth Control Review." In that magazine she openly supported the "infanticide program" promoted by Nazi Germany in the 1930s, and publicly championed Adolf Hitler's goal of Aryan white supremacy. In the years prior to World War II Margaret Sanger commissioned Ernst Rudin, a member of the Nazi Party, and director of the dreaded German Medical Experimentation Programs, to serve as an advisor to her organization. In his excellent book "Killer Angel," George Grant chronicles the life and writings of Margaret Sanger, and painstakingly documents Sanger's plans for the genetic engineering of the human race. George Grant noted that in the 1920s Margaret Sanger wrote "The Pivot of Civilization" in which she called for:
"The 'elimination of 'human weeds,' for the 'cessation of charity' because it prolonged the lives of the unfit, for the segregation of 'morons, misfits, and the maladjusted,' and for the sterilization of genetically inferior races.'"5
ccording to George Grant, Margaret Sanger believed that the unfit should not be allowed to reproduce. Accordingly, she opened a birth control clinic in: "The Brownsville section of New York, an area populated by newly immigrated Slavs, Latins, Italians, and Jews. She targeted the 'unfit' for her crusade to 'save the planet.'" 6
Nineteen years later, in 1939, Margaret Sanger organized her "Negro project," a program designed to eliminate members of what she believed to be an "inferior race." Margaret Sanger justified her proposal because she believed that: "The masses of Negroes ...particularly in the South, still breed carelessly and disastrously, with the result that the increase among Negroes, even more than among whites, is from that portion of the population least intelligent and fit..." 7
Margaret Sanger then went on to reveal that she intended to hire three or four Colored Ministers "to travel to various black enclaves to propagandize for birth control." She wrote: "The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the Minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." (emphasis added-Ed.) 8
As Margaret Sanger's organization grew in power, influence, and acceptance, she began to write of the necessity of targeting religious groups for destruction as well, believing that the "dysgenic races" should include "Fundamentalists and Catholics" in addition to "blacks, Hispanics, (and) American Indians." 9
As the years went by, Margaret Sanger became increasingly obsessed with her occultic beliefs. Along with her acceptance of the occult, she became increasingly hostile to both Christianity and the American precepts of individual freedom under God. Her distaste for America can be seen in her writings when she wrote: "Birth control appeals to the advanced radical because it is calculated to undermine the authority of the Christian churches. I look forward to seeing humanity free someday of the tyranny of Christianity no less than Capitalism." 10 Margaret Sanger eventually embraced not only communism but theosophy as well. What is theosophy? It is a covert, occultic religion based upon the repudiation of God and the worship of Lucifer. In modern-day America, theosophy is one of the most powerful hidden (occult) forces working behind the scenes in New York City, Washington D.C., and across our nation today. 11
How many times have you been told that Adolf Hitler killed 6 million Jews in the Holocaust? What you probably have never been told, however, is the segment of the Holocaust tragedy recorded by Professor Norman Cohn in his historical account of the Jewish Holocaust, "Warrant for Genocide." Professor Cohn chronicled the dark days of World War II, noting: Only about a third of the civilians killed by the Nazis and their accomplices were Jews ...Other peoples were marked out for decimation, subjugation, and enslavement, and the civilian losses of some of these (countries - Ed.) amounted to 11 per cent to 12 per cent of the total population." 12
If Professor Cohn's figures are accurate - and I feel certain that they are, because other Jewish researchers have come up with similar figures - then why haven't the Christians of America been allowed to learn the fact that in addition to the 6 million Jews murdered by the Nazis, somewhere between 7 and 12 million non-Jews were also ruthlessly liquidated in Hitler's Germany?
I believe this information has been intentionally suppressed because those who were killed were largely Christians, and the covert forces which control the reality of the American public today do not want the followers of Jesus Christ in our nation to awaken to their peril ...until it is far too late. Hitler hated not only Jews and Judaism, he also hated Christians and Christianity as well. Why was that? Because Adolf Hitler, just like Margaret Sanger, was a disciple of theosophy and of Madame Blavatsky, the founder of a religion that worshipped Lucifer. Accordingly, both Margaret Sanger and Adolf Hitler were energized by the same "dark, spiritual forces." The fact that most of our citizens have never heard of Madame Blavatsky, theosophy, or that two of theosophy's most ardent disciples were Adolf Hitler and Margaret Sanger clearly reflects the degree of control that exists over what the American people have been allowed to learn about the occultic forces at work in our nation today.
http://www.radioliberty.com/pca.htm


its sad to think so may pro choicers have no idea they are being used for the genocide plans of the Rich, and these rich are the ones who empowered Hitler.

[sgtshortness]

Japan has less than 1% Christians... doesn't look like they're falling apart.

[steen]

Robodoon wrote: Maybe people shouldn't be having sex if they can't have the babies? Nope.

Quote: See what happens when Christianity is removed? Things fall apart. Nope.

Quote: The Pro Choice movement is designed to Kill minorities not help them. Nope.

Quote: Or that video, of Planned Parenthood where the kill the Christian and it is seen as good thing. Nope.

"radioliberty" fascist slant deleted.

Quote: its sad to think so may pro choicers have no idea they are being used for the genocide plans of the Rich, and these rich are the ones who empowered Hitler.
nope.

[Nicholas]

steen wrote: Brighton wrote: If there is anyone out there who wants to discuss this subject in an intelligent way, please respond. That would be lovely. A discussion on scientific facts, not on emotional histrionics and pro-life made-up revisionist linguistic hyperbole. That would be very refreshing. I am all game if you are.

Yeah right, read your post above. How irrelevant is replying ''nope'' to every comment you've disagreed with above? Why not construct proper sentences why you disapprove of those comments? Come on Steen, you can do far better than that.

Quote: Maybe people shouldn't be having sex if they can't have the babies?

It's solely about responsibility. We can't spoon-feed people and point out what they should do or not. Anticipation between the two before an intercourse would reduce the risk as whole. There's no harm in doing so and would save you the temperamental situations that could happen in a long run. Unless you see the possible consequences as something you can resolve.

[steen]

Nicholas wrote: steen wrote: Brighton wrote: If there is anyone out there who wants to discuss this subject in an intelligent way, please respond. That would be lovely. A discussion on scientific facts, not on emotional histrionics and pro-life made-up revisionist linguistic hyperbole. That would be very refreshing. I am all game if you are. Yeah right, read your post above. How irrelevant is replying ''nope'' to every comment you've disagreed with above? Why not construct proper sentences why you disapprove of those comments? Come on Steen, you can do far better than that. NOBODY can do better than that with Robodon.

Quote: Quote: Maybe people shouldn't be having sex if they can't have the babies? It's solely about responsibility. Hmm, that is actually Robodon's post :)

[sgtshortness]

I did better than that with robodoon, I showed him Japan which has nearly zip Christians.

[steen]

sgtshortness wrote: I did better than that with robodoon, I showed him Japan which has nearly zip Christians. Well, you ARE better at this than I am. :!oops: :cry:

[Robodoon]

Quote: [quote="steen"] Robodoon wrote: Maybe people shouldn't be having sex if they can't have the babies? Nope.

Stop screwing if you can't do the time, like don't do the crime if you don't have the time.


Quote: Quote: See what happens when Christianity is removed? Things fall apart. Nope.

Our Claim to liberty was based on it in America.

John Adams
Quote: "Have you ever found in history, one single example of a Nation thoroughly corrupted that was afterwards restored to virtue?... And without virtue, there can be no political liberty....Will you tell me how to prevent riches from becoming the effects of temperance and industry? Will you tell me how to prevent luxury from producing effeminacy, intoxication, extravagance, vice and folly?...I believe no effort in favor is lost..."


Quote: Quote: The Pro Choice movement is designed to Kill minorities not help them. Nope.

YEP it is From the Founder of Planned Parenthood
Quote: "Birth control appeals to the advanced radical because it is calculated to undermine the authority of the Christian churches. I look forward to seeing humanity free someday of the tyranny of Christianity no less than Capitalism." she called for:
" Quote: The 'elimination of 'human weeds,' for the 'cessation of charity' because it prolonged the lives of the unfit, for the segregation of 'morons, misfits, and the maladjusted,' and for the sterilization of genetically inferior races.'"


Quote: Or that video, of Planned Parenthood where the kill the Christian and it is seen as good thing. Nope.

YEP Planned Parenthood superhero terminates Christian protesters

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45664




Quote: Quote: its sad to think so may pro choicers have no idea they are being used for the genocide plans of the Rich, and these rich are the ones who empowered Hitler. nope

YEP!! , you just don't understand who runs things do you?

UNESCO Courier of November 1991, Jacques Cousteau wrote: "The damage people cause to the planet is a function of demographics - it is equal to the degree of development. One American burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangladeshes ... This is a terrible thing to say. In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it's just as bad not to say it."

[Robodoon]

sgtshortness wrote: I did better than that with robodoon, I showed him Japan which has nearly zip Christians.

And do they have "Human Rights" or "God Given Rights" there is a very big difference. One is no rights at all.

[steen]

Robodoon wrote: sgtshortness wrote: I did better than that with robodoon, I showed him Japan which has nearly zip Christians.

And do they have "Human Rights" or "God Given Rights" there is a very big difference. One is no rights at all. See, sgt. I was right. :)

[Plodder]

it has few christians because the americans bobed two of the most catholic cities into a mushroom cloud