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[Dagger]

first thing first I'm Muslim. This is to all those atheists. Ill throw this from a non religious angle.

Atheists. so what if god doesn't exist? some people like to have something to believe in, and its a lot better to believe in say, god, and do something constructive than it is to be a useless pothead bashing him , I'm saying that trying to disprove the concept is as unproductive as proving it.

I mean it is one thing for someone to tell an atheist hey god exists, but why would an atheist try to take away someones religion tell him that god does not exist.

God is someone who is you last hope. When you have nothing, completely nothing, You can give up or ask god for help and go do something, live for gods sake, and keeping going at it for gods sake.

Or If you going to die, its inevitable, is it so wrong for people to use god as something to keep thing fair and honest?

[Aspiring Shepherd]

I agree with you. People have no business trying to convince someone that their god doesn't exist. People also have no business trying to convince someone that their god does exist. They are the same thing.

[connermt]

Dagger wrote: first thing first I'm Muslim. This is to all those atheists. Ill throw this from a non religious angle.

Atheists. so what if god doesn't exist? some people like to have something to believe in, and its a lot better to believe in say, god, and do something constructive than it is to be a useless pothead bashing him , I'm saying that trying to disprove the concept is as unproductive as proving it.

I mean it is one thing for someone to tell an atheist hey god exists, but why would an atheist try to take away someones religion tell him that god does not exist.

God is someone who is you last hope. When you have nothing, completely nothing, You can give up or ask god for help and go do something, live for gods sake, and keeping going at it for gods sake.

Or If you going to die, its inevitable, is it so wrong for people to use god as something to keep thing fair and honest?

Agreed. If God doesn't exist, what have you lost by believing in Him?

[thefranzkafkafront]

Quote: Atheists. so what if god doesn't exist? some people like to have something to believe in, and its a lot better to believe in say, god, and do something constructive than it is to be a useless pothead bashing him , I'm saying that trying to disprove the concept is as unproductive as proving it.

:lol:

its also unconstructive to insult people, calling atheism the viewpoint of 'usless potheads' is not going to get you any where.

I agree that its ungentlemanlty to consanlty critise someones relgion, however it is eveyones right to say or think whatever they want and that includes leveling criticisms.

If you honeslty get offened by them i think you have better seriously rexamine your faith.

[Sensor]

So one of your reasons in believing in a god is that you don't lose anything if he doesn't exist. But if you don't you'll just go to hell? Pathetic.

[thefranzkafkafront]

connermt wrote: Dagger wrote: first thing first I'm Muslim. This is to all those atheists. Ill throw this from a non religious angle.

Atheists. so what if god doesn't exist? some people like to have something to believe in, and its a lot better to believe in say, god, and do something constructive than it is to be a useless pothead bashing him , I'm saying that trying to disprove the concept is as unproductive as proving it.

I mean it is one thing for someone to tell an atheist hey god exists, but why would an atheist try to take away someones religion tell him that god does not exist.

God is someone who is you last hope. When you have nothing, completely nothing, You can give up or ask god for help and go do something, live for gods sake, and keeping going at it for gods sake.

Or If you going to die, its inevitable, is it so wrong for people to use god as something to keep thing fair and honest?

Agreed. If God doesn't exist, what have you lost by believing in Him?

All the effort put into relgion which could have been expended on other things.

Frankly the Pascals Wager argument for god, or the 'carrot and stick' is abbherent.

[Shady]

I wouldn't question them if they didn't constantly try to convince me that their IS a god. If I was left alone I'd be content to extend the same courtesy.

[connermt]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: connermt wrote: Dagger wrote: first thing first I'm Muslim. This is to all those atheists. Ill throw this from a non religious angle.

Atheists. so what if god doesn't exist? some people like to have something to believe in, and its a lot better to believe in say, god, and do something constructive than it is to be a useless pothead bashing him , I'm saying that trying to disprove the concept is as unproductive as proving it.

I mean it is one thing for someone to tell an atheist hey god exists, but why would an atheist try to take away someones religion tell him that god does not exist.

God is someone who is you last hope. When you have nothing, completely nothing, You can give up or ask god for help and go do something, live for gods sake, and keeping going at it for gods sake.

Or If you going to die, its inevitable, is it so wrong for people to use god as something to keep thing fair and honest?

Agreed. If God doesn't exist, what have you lost by believing in Him?

All the effort put into relgion which could have been expended on other things.

Frankly the Pascals Wager argument for god, or the 'carrot and stick' is abbherent.

The term religion is a bad term to use IMO. True christians should be doing good things for their community & world in the name of God (good things meaning feeding the hungry, building hopsitals, etc.) These type of 'good things' done in the name of God aren't a waste. However, standing on the street corner or going to fallen soldier's funerals & yelling "You are going to Hell!" isn't very productive

PS: I hear a lot of this PASCAL WAGGER - what is it?

[feederband]

Dagger wrote: first thing first I'm Muslim. This is to all those atheists. Ill throw this from a non religious angle.

Atheists. so what if god doesn't exist? some people like to have something to believe in, and its a lot better to believe in say, god, and do something constructive than it is to be a useless pothead bashing him , I'm saying that trying to disprove the concept is as unproductive as proving it.

I mean it is one thing for someone to tell an atheist hey god exists, but why would an atheist try to take away someones religion tell him that god does not exist.

God is someone who is you last hope. When you have nothing, completely nothing, You can give up or ask god for help and go do something, live for gods sake, and keeping going at it for gods sake.

Or If you going to die, its inevitable, is it so wrong for people to use god as something to keep thing fair and honest?



I have know problem with you believing in God...When someone finds out I'm Athiest I have no choice but to defend myself...I only treat people as I'm treated...99% of the time I'm not the one that brings up religion just somehow they have found out my beliefs and try to convert me...Its a joke....

[The Central Scrutinizer]

connermt wrote:
PS: I hear a lot of this PASCAL WAGGER - what is it?

You gain nothing by disbelief, but you stand to gain everything by believing.

If you don't believe in God and there is no God, life is over. If you don't believe in God and there is a God, you'll probably go to the hot place. If you do believe in God and there is a God, well, at least you've lived a moral life. If you do believe in God and there is a God, then you'll probably go to the happy place.

Moral of the story? Premises suck. You gain a lot by not believing in God. Besides, I'm fairly certain the mysteries of the universe can't be explained by game theory.

[connermt]

The Central Scrutinizer wrote: connermt wrote:
PS: I hear a lot of this PASCAL WAGGER - what is it?

You gain nothing by disbelief, but you stand to gain everything by believing.

If you don't believe in God and there is no God, life is over. If you don't believe in God and there is a God, you'll probably go to the hot place. If you do believe in God and there is a God, well, at least you've lived a moral life. If you do believe in God and there is a God, then you'll probably go to the happy place.

Moral of the story? Premises suck. You gain a lot by not believing in God. Besides, I'm fairly certain the mysteries of the universe can't be explained by game theory.

Interesting. Is there more to it than that or is that basically it in a nut shell?

[Jaxian]

Dagger wrote: first thing first I'm Muslim. This is to all those atheists. Ill throw this from a non religious angle.

Atheists. so what if god doesn't exist? some people like to have something to believe in, and its a lot better to believe in say, god, and do something constructive than it is to be a useless pothead bashing him , I'm saying that trying to disprove the concept is as unproductive as proving it.

I mean it is one thing for someone to tell an atheist hey god exists, but why would an atheist try to take away someones religion tell him that god does not exist.

God is someone who is you last hope. When you have nothing, completely nothing, You can give up or ask god for help and go do something, live for gods sake, and keeping going at it for gods sake.

Or If you going to die, its inevitable, is it so wrong for people to use god as something to keep thing fair and honest?

I don't have a problem with the fact that someone believes in God. I mean, if the topic of whether God exists comes up on a debate forum or in the passage of normal discussion, I don't see any reason not to state my case, but it doesn't particularly bother me that people believe in God.

What bothers me is that religious people tend to use their religion as an excuse to hurt me and many others. When a religious person says that one man is not allowed to marry another man, that hurts people, that makes their lives worse. When a religious person says that there should be a designated time for prayer in school or that creationism should be taught in school, that affects my family.

It is not religion which I have a problem with, it is people using that religion to make my life and the lives of millions of others worse. It is people who support laws which elevate their religion above someone else's or above nonreligion. And it is people who believe the government should teach their religious beliefs to every child. I have a problem with your religion if you use it as a reason to hurt someone else.

So if someone is using a religious argument against me, what am I to do? I generally say that no one should be imposing their own personal beliefs upon me, but if that does not convince my opponent, then I am left with telling them that their religion is wrong.

If a religious person does not let his religion affect others negatively, then I have no problem with that religion. But that isn't always the case.

[Enoch]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Quote: Atheists. so what if god doesn't exist? some people like to have something to believe in, and its a lot better to believe in say, god, and do something constructive than it is to be a useless pothead bashing him , I'm saying that trying to disprove the concept is as unproductive as proving it.

:lol:

its also unconstructive to insult people, calling atheism the viewpoint of 'usless potheads' is not going to get you any where.

I agree that its ungentlemanlty to consanlty critise someones relgion, however it is eveyones right to say or think whatever they want and that includes leveling criticisms.

If you honeslty get offened by them i think you have better seriously rexamine your faith.

Well said.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

connermt wrote: The Central Scrutinizer wrote: connermt wrote:
PS: I hear a lot of this PASCAL WAGGER - what is it?

You gain nothing by disbelief, but you stand to gain everything by believing.

If you don't believe in God and there is no God, life is over. If you don't believe in God and there is a God, you'll probably go to the hot place. If you do believe in God and there is a God, well, at least you've lived a moral life. If you do believe in God and there is a God, then you'll probably go to the happy place.

Moral of the story? Premises suck. You gain a lot by not believing in God. Besides, I'm fairly certain the mysteries of the universe can't be explained by game theory.

Interesting. Is there more to it than that or is that basically it in a nut shell?

plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/

Wiki might be worth your time too, though it has a huge list of problems with the wager and if you are intent upon believing it I suggest watching Praise the Lord instead.

[Darth Tiberius]

Dagger wrote: first thing first I'm Muslim. This is to all those atheists. Ill throw this from a non religious angle.

Atheists. so what if god doesn't exist? some people like to have something to believe in, and its a lot better to believe in say, god, and do something constructive than it is to be a useless pothead bashing him , I'm saying that trying to disprove the concept is as unproductive as proving it.

I mean it is one thing for someone to tell an atheist hey god exists, but why would an atheist try to take away someones religion tell him that god does not exist.

God is someone who is you last hope. When you have nothing, completely nothing, You can give up or ask god for help and go do something, live for gods sake, and keeping going at it for gods sake.

Or If you going to die, its inevitable, is it so wrong for people to use god as something to keep thing fair and honest?

In a personal experience allthough I'm for the liberty of having faith I oppose religion as a general principle since it feeds into hatred and the problems this world has had. It is the illogical unproven faith to explain away the worlds' problems and to the whimper of the oppressed. It has also led to fundamenalism on all sides. Also my bad expereiences of being lied to and told a bunch of lies for many years by the Christian church.

But I especisally attack religion when people try to use it to label things as evil, force what religion believes is right and wrong on others and when the fundamentlism shows up. I believe it is my duty to be ever vigilant to combat it.

[Dagger]

Ok im sorry for the useless pothead comment

[Darth Tiberius]

Dagger wrote: Ok im sorry for the useless pothead comment

Good. :)

[Canadian_Patriot]

"useless pothead" you must be thinking of muslims :lol:

Pot has givin more to society then you ever could remarks like this are as racist as the next.

[thefranzkafkafront]

The Central Scrutinizer wrote: connermt wrote:
PS: I hear a lot of this PASCAL WAGGER - what is it?

You gain nothing by disbelief, but you stand to gain everything by believing.

If you don't believe in God and there is no God, life is over. If you don't believe in God and there is a God, you'll probably go to the hot place. If you do believe in God and there is a God, well, at least you've lived a moral life. If you do believe in God and there is a God, then you'll probably go to the happy place.

Moral of the story? Premises suck. You gain a lot by not believing in God. Besides, I'm fairly certain the mysteries of the universe can't be explained by game theory.

Its more along the lines of, eveything to lose (e.g the concept of hell) or eveything to gain (heaven).

Makes my blood cringe eveytime some one cities it as me as a good example of faith.

[HomoUniversalis]

I am an atheist, and I smoke pot. :lol:

Okay. First of all, in real life, I hardly debate religion, unless people invite me to do so. My opinion on religion is a confronting one, I am aware of that, yet am prepared to debate islam, christianity, judaism at a theological level, but also on a level of 'probability' (to what you here refer).

Now, this is a section of religion in a discussion board. Verily, if you are uninterested in hearing what people think about religion, why visit this section? If you are an individual who has settled his faith, and has no doubt and is completely certain, what's the use of coming here to debate (other then trying to convert others, which would be hypocritical, seeing as you blame atheists this). If the other is true, you are not certain, are not the criticisms of atheists useful in determining your position on islam?

Quote: If a religious person does not let his religion affect others negatively, then I have no problem with that religion. But that isn't always the case.

The matter is not so simple as this. The question whether religion is a behavioral disorder has never truly been answered. Though I'm not one to answer either way (because I've not settled my own thoughts on the matter), there are arguments that might suggest that, which would eventually result in treating people to cure them from religion..

Would be an interesting sociological development, I would think..

Mr U