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[Johannes]

For a long time I've been interested in the Jewish religion, culture, and people. Honestly, I believe my fascination of the people started early in my life after hearing about the Holocaust. Recently however, I have just finished another of Leon Uris's books on the Jewish people, and I'm finding myself drawn into this realm with my entrailing curiosity not far behind. I know that I can't base my views of an entre sect of people from one author, and I've read more material on the people, but I still can't quite put my finger on what draws me to them. It isn't sympathy, apathy, or empathy. It isn't their admirable traits, because heaven knows that all sects of people show some of these. It isn't their determination, as God's race, to seemingly hold (to paraphrase Uris) the patent on suffering. My question is this: What are the views of Jews, or especially Israeli Jews, on people like me (being an Irish-Catholic American)?

[fourtysixandtwo]

Johannes wrote: For a long time I've been interested in the Jewish religion, culture, and people. Honestly, I believe my fascination of the people started early in my life after hearing about the Holocaust. Recently however, I have just finished another of Leon Uris's books on the Jewish people, and I'm finding myself drawn into this realm with my entrailing curiosity not far behind. I know that I can't base my views of an entre sect of people from one author, and I've read more material on the people, but I still can't quite put my finger on what draws me to them. It isn't sympathy, apathy, or empathy. It isn't their admirable traits, because heaven knows that all sects of people show some of these. It isn't their determination, as God's race, to seemingly hold (to paraphrase Uris) the patent on suffering. My question is this: What are the views of Jews, or especially Israeli Jews, on people like me (being an Irish-Catholic American)?

Irish Catholic, like me your pretty much a pagan/Jew with a Savior :lol: .

[Johannes]

fourtysixandtwo wrote: Johannes wrote: For a long time I've been interested in the Jewish religion, culture, and people. Honestly, I believe my fascination of the people started early in my life after hearing about the Holocaust. Recently however, I have just finished another of Leon Uris's books on the Jewish people, and I'm finding myself drawn into this realm with my entrailing curiosity not far behind. I know that I can't base my views of an entre sect of people from one author, and I've read more material on the people, but I still can't quite put my finger on what draws me to them. It isn't sympathy, apathy, or empathy. It isn't their admirable traits, because heaven knows that all sects of people show some of these. It isn't their determination, as God's race, to seemingly hold (to paraphrase Uris) the patent on suffering. My question is this: What are the views of Jews, or especially Israeli Jews, on people like me (being an Irish-Catholic American)?

Irish Catholic, like me your pretty much a pagan/Jew with a Savior :lol: .

Sooooo....not Jewish :wink:

[Duchifas]

Johannes wrote: For a long time I've been interested in the Jewish religion, culture, and people. Honestly, I believe my fascination of the people started early in my life after hearing about the Holocaust. Recently however, I have just finished another of Leon Uris's books on the Jewish people, and I'm finding myself drawn into this realm with my entrailing curiosity not far behind. I know that I can't base my views of an entre sect of people from one author, and I've read more material on the people, but I still can't quite put my finger on what draws me to them. It isn't sympathy, apathy, or empathy. It isn't their admirable traits, because heaven knows that all sects of people show some of these. It isn't their determination, as God's race, to seemingly hold (to paraphrase Uris) the patent on suffering.

What draws you is simple. We are HOT! :lol:


Natalie Portman

Quote: My question is this: What are the views of Jews, or especially Israeli Jews, on people like me (being an Irish-Catholic American)?

Not exactly sure how to answer that, it seems too general. I personally view each person according to what his actions and merits, whether he is Irish or Swedish or Aussie, and whatever his religion is. That's ideally. In practice, as a Jew living in America and despite our religious differences, I probably feel more affinity and commonality with Irish-Americans than with, say, Saudi Arabs. For obvious reasons. :)

[Darth Tiberius]

I fiercely oppose the anti-semetism of the Christian church and the treatment of some. But when I look at Israel I feel a bit less sympathetic.

[Gilbert1908]

Darth Tiberius wrote: I fiercely oppose the anti-semetism of the Christian church and the treatment of some. But when I look at Israel I feel a bit less sympathetic.

Which is odd because some of the most fiercely pro Israel groups are Christian. Go figure!

[Darth Tiberius]

Gilbert1908 wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: I fiercely oppose the anti-semetism of the Christian church and the treatment of some. But when I look at Israel I feel a bit less sympathetic.

Which is odd because some of the most fiercely pro Israel groups are Christian. Go figure!

What are you getting at?

[snow]

Gilbert1908 wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: I fiercely oppose the anti-semetism of the Christian church and the treatment of some. But when I look at Israel I feel a bit less sympathetic.

Which is odd because some of the most fiercely pro Israel groups are Christian. Go figure!

LOL. . . I mean, really. You can't win -- you have people crying about the religious right being too closely associated with Israel, but then the whole "Christian church" is classified as anti-Semitic. :lol:

[Darth Tiberius]

snow wrote: Gilbert1908 wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: I fiercely oppose the anti-semetism of the Christian church and the treatment of some. But when I look at Israel I feel a bit less sympathetic.

Which is odd because some of the most fiercely pro Israel groups are Christian. Go figure!

LOL. . . I mean, really. You can't win -- you have people crying about the religious right being too closely associated with Israel, but then the whole "Christian church" is classified as anti-Semitic. :lol:

Let me make this distnction clear:

Chruches: Anti-Semetic (generally)

So Called "Christian" Governments Pro-Israeli.

And since Jews are most similar to Chrsitians and against the Muslims then Christians will support the Jews against Arab culture.

[snow]

Darth Tiberius wrote:

Let me make this distnction clear:

Chruches: Anti-Semetic (generalization)



There, now it's true, especially if you add the word "baseless."

[Darth Tiberius]

snow wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote:

Let me make this distnction clear:

Chruches: Anti-Semetic (generalization)



There, now it's true, especially if you add the word "baseless."

Really? Then why have the governments been supporting Israel for ages and looking the other way during all the atrocities Israel commited and commits.

And why do most churches preach that Jews are born with the curse apon them and all the things people like Martin Luther said.

[snow]

Darth Tiberius wrote:

Really? Then why have the governments been supporting Israel for ages and looking the other way during all the atrocities Israel commited and commits.

And why do most churches preach that Jews are born with the curse apon them and all the things people like Martin Luther said.

Really? You've been to most churches?

[Darth Tiberius]

snow wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote:

Really? Then why have the governments been supporting Israel for ages and looking the other way during all the atrocities Israel commited and commits.

And why do most churches preach that Jews are born with the curse apon them and all the things people like Martin Luther said.

Really? You've been to most churches?

Most churches I see, know or been to.

[snow]

Darth Tiberius wrote:
Most churches I see, know or been to.

Well, most churches I see, know of or have been to have never expressed anti-Semetic sentiment. Therefore, you should take your ridiculous assertion that "most churches" are engaged in this behavior, and change it to "most churches I've experienced" (which I'm guessing is no more than 20 out of millions and millions).

[Darth Tiberius]

snow wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote:
Most churches I see, know or been to.

Well, most churches I see, know of or have been to have never expressed anti-Semetic sentiment. Therefore, you should take your ridiculous assertion that "most churches" are engaged in this behavior, and change it to "most churches I've experienced" (which I'm guessing is no more than 20 out of millions and millions).

Don't be too sure. The Bible practically encourages it by stating that the Jews have a curse for being those that killed Christ.

[snow]

Darth Tiberius wrote:

Don't be too sure. The Bible practically encourages it by stating that the Jews have a curse for being those that killed Christ.

That's a far cry from what you're asserting.

[Gilbert1908]

Darth Tiberius wrote: snow wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote:
Most churches I see, know or been to.

Well, most churches I see, know of or have been to have never expressed anti-Semetic sentiment. Therefore, you should take your ridiculous assertion that "most churches" are engaged in this behavior, and change it to "most churches I've experienced" (which I'm guessing is no more than 20 out of millions and millions).

Don't be too sure. The Bible practically encourages it by stating that the Jews have a curse for being those that killed Christ.

You mean here?

"Father forgive them for they know not what they do."

[Johannes]

Duchifas wrote:
What draws you is simple. We are HOT! :lol:
Oh definently!

Quote: My question is this: What are the views of Jews, or especially Israeli Jews, on people like me (being an Irish-Catholic American)?

Duchifas wrote: Not exactly sure how to answer that, it seems too general. I personally view each person according to what his actions and merits, whether he is Irish or Swedish or Aussie, and whatever his religion is. That's ideally. In practice, as a Jew living in America and despite our religious differences, I probably feel more affinity and commonality with Irish-Americans than with, say, Saudi Arabs. For obvious reasons. :)

Well, I read that many Jews look at people like me with a reserved attitude, almost one of indifference or just subtle animosity. It, to me, seems like many Jews have the attitude that I/we have to earn their confidence, trust, and general friendship (not just cooperation), but suffering to some extent that they can associate with. Because that is hardly possible, I've seen and read that it is just as close to being impossible for Jews to view non-Jews with a view of equal apprecation.

[Johannes]

[quote="Darth Tiberius"]Really? Then why have the governments been supporting Israel for ages and looking the other way during all the atrocities Israel commited and commits.

Look, honestly, if some friend of mine was raped, beaten close to death every other year, found himself living in the worst of places, hated because of his beliefs, and prejudiced against because of his culture, I'd give him some slack and could easily find some
justification in them commiting some seriously questionable actions.


Darth Tiberius wrote: And why do most churches preach that Jews are born with the curse apon them and all the things people like Martin Luther said.

Honestly, I'm not all that familiar with all churches, but my Catholic church has consistantly taken the view that the Jews are of equal value, albeit different.

[thefranzkafkafront]

Allthough not a particually small ethnic group and a history not entirely off the wall the Jews are still as a group in the world lime light.

Becuase.

1. Theve still got the their own relgion, which the two largest relgions on earth derivived from
2. A huge percentage of highly influencial people in the west have been Jewish, from Disraeli to Marx to Rand.
3. Creation of Israel

You'd strugle to find an ethnic group of the same size that has had such a profound effect on history.

Thats why.