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[Xenophen]

Hey folks, Im going to try and post a random Bible verse everyday. Then it will be followed with my own comments. Feel free to add your own.




Jeremiah 23:39 Therefore, I will surely forget you and cast you out of my presence along with the city I gave to you and your fathers.


Comments:

This verse reminds us of the grim reality that will come to those who dont know Christ as savior. It comes to those who claim to live the life. That reality is Hell. Its a real place, a realm separated from the love of God.

To those who don't believe, I plead with you to seek God out now, because he is seeking u out. For God loves you and wants you to spend your eternity with him, but the sin in your life separates you from him.

To those who do believe, I strongly urge you to do your best to fulfill the great commission. Its our job to get the lost in the doors, to witness to everyday people. The pastor can do that all he wants, but most people just think he is paid to be good. Its up to us to point them in the right direction.

[thebreadloaf2003]

Quote: Jeremiah 23:39 Therefore, I will surely forget you and cast you out of my presence along with the city I gave to you and your fathers.

as i will do to you oh great and mighty lord, i shal casteth thee out of my mind and soul to clense myself of your totalitarian theocratic rule.

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: as i will do to you oh great and mighty lord, i shal casteth thee out of my mind and soul to clense myself of your totalitarian theocratic rule.

Quote: Psalm 2:1 Why are the nations in an uproar

And the peoples devising a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth take their stand

And the rulers take counsel together

Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,

3 "Let us tear their fetters apart

And cast away their cords from us!"

4 He who sits in the heavens laughs,

The Lord scoffs at them.

[cap'n queasy]

Do you think if your dog decided to cast off the chains of your oppression and ran away he would find himself in a better place?

The best he could hope for is a kinder master.

[thebreadloaf2003]

[quote="cap'n queasy"] Quote: as i will do to you oh great and mighty lord, i shal casteth thee out of my mind and soul to clense myself of your totalitarian theocratic rule.

Quote: Psalm 2:1 Why are the nations in an uproar

And the peoples devising a vain thing?

because a small percentage of the population has different thoughts about how things work, acceptance is good, logical proof is better

Quote: 2 The kings of the earth take their stand

And the rulers take counsel together

Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,

3 "Let us tear their fetters apart

And cast away their cords from us!"

in some cases yes, those people are like me in the sense that they do not feel the need or want the suppressed feeling of having a greater power determin their fate from their personel actions and decisions.

Quote: 4 He who sits in the heavens laughs,

The Lord scoffs at them.

let them laugh, time will be my demise, not your metaphorical ruler

Quote: Do you think if your dog decided to cast off the chains of your oppression and ran away he would find himself in a better place?

The best he could hope for is a kinder master.

no, because if you watch "The Dog Whisperer" on Tv you would know that dogs socialize in packs, and in they do not feel emotions. so to keep your dog comfident and happy you must assert yourself as the leader of the pack in order to prevent your dog from dessobeying you and leaving, but at the same time you must also present your dog with new challenges to keep it confident that there is always something more, somthing greater to achieve.

from that, i can say "god" was not a very good pack leader to me, because my own beliefs gave me confidence from the obsticles of defending myself and my thoughts, not a higher beings.

[psholtz]

cap'n queasy wrote: Do you think if your dog decided to cast off the chains of your oppression and ran away he would find himself in a better place?
Do you think a man is no better than a dog?

Do you think a man should permit his animal instincts to rule and govern his nature?

[thebreadloaf2003]

psholtz wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Do you think if your dog decided to cast off the chains of your oppression and ran away he would find himself in a better place?
Do you think a man is no better than a dog?

Do you think a man should permit his animal instincts to rule and govern his nature?

a man of no morals or personal confidence is no better than a dog.

I believe to an extent a mans natural instincts should have an impact on his judgment. For instance in this situation, my natural animal instinct is to defend myself, in your possition, your natural animal instinct was obviously to defend your beliefs and religion much like an animal would defend itself, thus proving that every mans natural animal instinc governs the man himself to an extent

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: Do you think a man is no better than a dog?

Do you think a man should permit his animal instincts to rule and govern his nature?

I'm not the one who says human beings are animals that should rule themselves.

So obviously, no.

[connermt]

Jeremiah 23:39 Therefore, I will surely forget you and cast you out of my presence along with the city I gave to you and your fathers.

There are many different understandings & questions that come about from a single verse:
Who was speaking?
Starting with "Therefore..." would mean that there was something that happened before hand that cause him to cast someone out. What was it?
Why was it so bad to be cast out & forgotten?
What city is being cited?
Or does it matter?
"I will surely..." seems to mean :"I am almost 100% sure that I will do "X"...". It doesn't appear to be certain. That leads me to wonder if there is a way to keep from being cast out OR if it was something decided on emotion & nothing more.
Or is it too late? Will you (I) be cast out not matter what?
If not, why not?
If so, why?

Ideas.....?

[psholtz]

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Do you think a man is no better than a dog?

Do you think a man should permit his animal instincts to rule and govern his nature?

I'm not the one who says human beings are animals that should rule themselves.
Yet you're the one who loves to make analogies between a man and a dog.

The apostles made analogies between men and dogs as well.. usually in the context of a dog returning to its own vomit and so forth.

Humans are part "animal" and part "spiritual".. a hybrid creation, so to speak. There's a little of both in all humans. Yet it's part of every Soul's responsibility to see to it that the moral, spiritual side dominates over and is able to rule the baser, more carnal, more aniamlistic passions that flesh is heir to. The Greeks symbolized this w/ the centaur and the minotaur.. The Centaurs were wise and powerful, for they were "men" in whom the higher human, moral side had conquered the lower, animal side. The Minotaur was evil, b/c it was an "animal" that had once been human, but that had allowed its carnal, animal passions to take over and dominate its human form.

Anyone who compares thier Christian "faith" to that of a dog is already pretty far-gone over the other hide (at least, imho)..

[thebreadloaf2003]

psholtz wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Do you think a man is no better than a dog?

Do you think a man should permit his animal instincts to rule and govern his nature?

I'm not the one who says human beings are animals that should rule themselves.
Yet you're the one who loves to make analogies between a man and a dog.

The apostles made analogies between men and dogs as well.. usually in the context of a dog returning to its own vomit and so forth.

Humans are part "animal" and part "spiritual".. a hybrid creation, so to speak. There's a little of both in all humans. Yet it's part of every Soul's responsibility to see to it that the moral, spiritual side dominates over and is able to rule the baser, more carnal, more aniamlistic passions that flesh is heir to. The Greeks symbolized this w/ the centaur and the minotaur.. The Centaurs were wise and powerful, for they were "men" in whom the higher human, moral side had conquered the lower, animal side. The Minotaur was evil, b/c it was an "animal" that had once been human, but that had allowed its carnal, animal passions to take over and dominate its human form.

Anyone who compares thier Christian "faith" to that of a dog is already pretty far-gone over the other hide (at least, imho)..

I prefer John lockes understanding and idealology of a social contract where man gives up his primitive, animalistic instinc in order to join society as a productive member. Through this there are no chasms of uncertainty that your previous, more religious explination has.

[psholtz]

thebreadloaf2003 wrote: I prefer John lockes understanding and idealology of a social contract where man gives up his primitive, animalistic instinc in order to join society as a productive member. Through this there are no chasms of uncertainty that your previous, more religious explination has.
Well gee.. this is, after all, a RELIGIOUS forum.. :?

[thebreadloaf2003]

psholtz wrote: thebreadloaf2003 wrote: I prefer John lockes understanding and idealology of a social contract where man gives up his primitive, animalistic instinc in order to join society as a productive member. Through this there are no chasms of uncertainty that your previous, more religious explination has.
Well gee.. this is, after all, a RELIGIOUS forum.. :?

yes a religious forum where people can discuss and debate about religions, whether it be about tyhe teachings, the existances of supernatural beings, or in our case, whether religious belief or logical explination is prodominant and why.

[connermt]

[quote="thebreadloaf2003"] cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: as i will do to you oh great and mighty lord, i shal casteth thee out of my mind and soul to clense myself of your totalitarian theocratic rule.

Quote: Psalm 2:1 Why are the nations in an uproar

And the peoples devising a vain thing?

because a small percentage of the population has different thoughts about how things work, acceptance is good, logical proof is better

Quote: 2 The kings of the earth take their stand

And the rulers take counsel together

Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,

3 "Let us tear their fetters apart

And cast away their cords from us!"

in some cases yes, those people are like me in the sense that they do not feel the need or want the suppressed feeling of having a greater power determin their fate from their personel actions and decisions.

Quote: 4 He who sits in the heavens laughs,

The Lord scoffs at them.

let them laugh, time will be my demise, not your metaphorical ruler

Quote: Do you think if your dog decided to cast off the chains of your oppression and ran away he would find himself in a better place?

The best he could hope for is a kinder master.

no, because if you watch "The Dog Whisperer" on Tv you would know that dogs socialize in packs, and in they do not feel emotions. so to keep your dog comfident and happy you must assert yourself as the leader of the pack in order to prevent your dog from dessobeying you and leaving, but at the same time you must also present your dog with new challenges to keep it confident that there is always something more, somthing greater to achieve.

from that, i can say "god" was not a very good pack leader to me, because my own beliefs gave me confidence from the obsticles of defending myself and my thoughts, not a higher beings.


"no, because if you watch "The Dog Whisperer" on Tv you would know that dogs socialize in packs, and in they do not feel emotions. so to keep your dog comfident and happy you must assert yourself as the leader of the pack in order to prevent your dog from dessobeying you and leaving, but at the same time you must also present your dog with new challenges to keep it confident that there is always something more, somthing greater to achieve."

That's a good show - watch it every week