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Infinite911911

Once again on the ice packs off its Atlantic coast Canada is preparing to begin another season of reckless killing of innocent life. The season of brutally clubbing baby seals less then 3 months old is about to start once again, unfortunately. Around a million seal pups were killed for their fur in the last three years, and there is no indication that the pace is about to let up. This government-sanctioned eradication of hundreds of thousands of seal pups jeopardizes a species already facing an uncertain future as their habitat melts out from underneath them. This must be stopped! What right does a Human have to eradicate another species. Not for food or survival, but for fashion. Canada's new Prime Minister, Stephen Harper promised to make his government "more accountable and effective." Let's see if he is a man of his word and stop this government-sanctioned killing.

StrangerWitCandy · Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 5706 Location: Fairfax, VA

this is absolutely horrible :(

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:08 am Post subject:

Seals may look fluffy, they however lack rights.

Its is no more unjustifed to kill a seal than to kill a fly.

Infinite911911 · Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:11 am Post subject:

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Seals may look fluffy, they however lack rights.

:gdgf: How does a seal lack rights? Does it not tremble before violence? Was it not born with the same rights to life as you were? All things fear death and all things love life thefranzkafkafront. See yourself in others for a change. Then whom can you hurt? What harm can you do?

StrangerWitCandy · Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 5706 Location: Fairfax, VA

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Seals may look fluffy, they however lack rights.

Its is no more unjustifed to kill a seal than to kill a fly.

that may be so, but it isnt right. killing an animal just for fashion is cruel. its unbearably shallow. I guess it doesn't matter what we slaughter for whatever reason, as long as its not human. that gives us the right to trivialize life for our selfish motives. its not just about looking cute either. its no different than people killing elephants for their ivory tusks just to make a profit. its just not right. its not natural. if you kill something, you utilize it. you don't trivialize it. no other animal i can think of kills for pleasure or fashion, they do it because of instinct and survival. its just a shame when theres no one to stick up for these suffering animals because they have no voice. when i see an animal being clubbed senselessly like that, it might as well be a baby human in my eyes. its no better IMO.

Infinite911911 · Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:18 am Post subject:

StrangerWitCandy wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Seals may look fluffy, they however lack rights.

Its is no more unjustifed to kill a seal than to kill a fly.

that may be so, but it isnt right. killing an animal just for fashion is cruel. its unbearably shallow. I guess it doesn't matter what we slaughter for whatever reason, as long as its not human. that gives us the right to trivialize life for our selfish motives. its not just about looking cute either. its no different than people killing elephants for their ivory tusks just to make a profit. its just not right. its not natural. if you kill something, you utilize it. you don't trivialize it. no other animal i can think of kills for pleasure or fashion, they do it because of instinct and survival. its just a shame when theres no one to stick up for these suffering animals because they have no voice. when i see an animal being clubbed senselessly like that, it might as well be a baby human in my eyes. its no better IMO.

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Carly · Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 65 Location: Toronto

Thank you for bringing this horrific action to attention.

I have been boycotting seafood for a year now, to protest against this disqusting act that our nation subsidises.

Kumar · Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Posts: 16289 Location: Prague

Hm, I find the the marking of hundreds of thousands of humans for death in Africa more deserving of outrage. But there again is the twisted worldview of animal rights activists, seals=humans in importance. Whatever. :roll:

Carly · Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 65 Location: Toronto

Rohit wrote: Hm, I find the the marking of hundreds of thousands of humans for death in Africa more deserving of outrage. But there again is the twisted worldview of animal rights activists, seals=humans in importance. Whatever. :roll:

There are atrocities everywhere. But this is happening on our own soil.

And Canada is supposed to be justice and respect for ALL

Kumar · Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Posts: 16289 Location: Prague

Carly wrote: Rohit wrote: Hm, I find the the marking of hundreds of thousands of humans for death in Africa more deserving of outrage. But there again is the twisted worldview of animal rights activists, seals=humans in importance. Whatever. :roll:

There are atrocities everywhere. But this is happening on our own soil.

And Canada is supposed to be justice and respect for ALL
Oh, I certainly agree. Don't get me wrong on that, I think this is horrendous.

I just find Infinite's double standard striking. Bring up a seal hunt and suddenly "it must be stopped". I never heard such enthusiasm for his brothers and sisters in refugee camps across the Atlantic.

Infinite911911 · Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:42 am Post subject:

Rohit wrote: Hm, I find the the marking of hundreds of thousands of humans for death in Africa more deserving of outrage. But there again is the twisted worldview of animal rights activists, seals=humans in importance. Whatever. :roll:

What makes you think that doesn't sadden me as well? I've started threads on the genocide that's occurring in places like Sudan. But thats a different thread. Here im focusing on the very stoppable murder of millions of innocent seals in the name of Fashion.

Everything and everyone one, be it a seal, an African, etc is born with the right to life. And no one should be able to take that away from them. Especially not for Fashion.

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:42 am Post subject:

Infinite911911 wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Seals may look fluffy, they however lack rights.

:gdgf: How does a seal lack rights? Does it not tremble before violence? Was it not born with the same rights to life as you were? All things fear death and all things love life thefranzkafkafront. See yourself in others for a change. Then whom can you hurt? What harm can you do?

Rights require a concious, you cannot philosophically state that a seal exists as a seperate entitiy from our own minds unless it has the ability to doubt.

Ability to feal pain dose not equate rights in a entity.

Carly · Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 65 Location: Toronto

Rohit wrote: Carly wrote: Rohit wrote: Hm, I find the the marking of hundreds of thousands of humans for death in Africa more deserving of outrage. But there again is the twisted worldview of animal rights activists, seals=humans in importance. Whatever. :roll:

There are atrocities everywhere. But this is happening on our own soil.

And Canada is supposed to be justice and respect for ALL
Oh, I certainly agree. Don't get me wrong on that, I think this is horrendous.

I just find Infinite's double standard striking. Bring up a seal hunt and suddenly "it must be stopped". I never heard such enthusiasm for his brothers and sisters in refugee camps across the Atlantic.

Well, you see it as a double standard, and I see it as a blessing, because suprisingly enough, it is American orginizations that are really helping Canadians out in this fight. They are providing information, ways to get involved, etc.

Carly · Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 65 Location: Toronto

Infinite911911 wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Seals may look fluffy, they however lack rights.

:gdgf: How does a seal lack rights? Does it not tremble before violence? Was it not born with the same rights to life as you were? All things fear death and all things love life thefranzkafkafront. See yourself in others for a change. Then whom can you hurt? What harm can you do?

Thank you. And there are rights for animals in the Criminal Code.

letsgooilers · Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 407 Location: Saskatchewan

To my knowledge, the seal hunt needs to happen, otherise the fishing stocks are serious depleleted. Which means a ton of people in newfoundland and labrador are screwed workwise. As best as I know, the seal hunt was actually stopped a while back, and they found the fish stocks seriously depleted.

Infinite911911 · Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:50 am Post subject:

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Infinite911911 wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Seals may look fluffy, they however lack rights.

:gdgf: How does a seal lack rights? Does it not tremble before violence? Was it not born with the same rights to life as you were? All things fear death and all things love life thefranzkafkafront. See yourself in others for a change. Then whom can you hurt? What harm can you do?

Rights require a concious, you cannot philosophically state that a seal exists as a seperate entitiy from our own minds unless it has the ability to doubt.

Ability to feal pain dose not equate rights in a entity.

The main flaw in your argument is that conscious is not held by all Humans. You state that only Humans have rights because only they are conscious, when in fact you are very wrong. Children, the mentally disable and people in comas have no conscious or awareness of their environment and own existence. So are you saying those people lack rights? thefranzkafkafront, the basic right of life is given to everything at birth.

Infinite911911 · Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:53 am Post subject:

letsgooilers wrote: To my knowledge, the seal hunt needs to happen, otherise the fishing stocks are serious depleleted. Which means a ton of people in newfoundland and labrador are screwed workwise. As best as I know, the seal hunt was actually stopped a while back, and they found the fish stocks seriously depleted.

No, the depletion of those fish stocks (especially Cod) was actually Human driven causing one of the largest "dead zones" in the world, thus killing the seals that lived and hunted there with lack of food.

Carly · Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 65 Location: Toronto

letsgooilers wrote: To my knowledge, the seal hunt needs to happen, otherise the fishing stocks are serious depleleted. Which means a ton of people in newfoundland and labrador are screwed workwise. As best as I know, the seal hunt was actually stopped a while back, and they found the fish stocks seriously depleted.

Canada's Seal Hunt: "Unacceptably Inhumane"

"The Canadian government insists that the seal hunt is an animal production industry like any other. They say that it might not be pretty, but basically it is just like any abattoir except on the ice. But we found obvious levels of suffering which would not be tolerated in any other animal industry in the world."

Two separate veterinary reports that studied the 2001 seal hunt, one commissioned by the Canadian government, show numerous instances where animals were clubbed or shot and not rendered immediately unconscious.

Together, the two reports also document that a number of animals each year are hooked and dragged across the ice while still conscious and some of these are still alive by the time they reach the decks of sealing vessels.

Here’s what one such international team of five independent veterinarians found:

79% of the sealers did not check to see if an animal was dead before skinning it.
In 40% of the kills a sealer had to strike the seal a second time, presumably because it was still conscious after the first blow or shot.
42% of killed seals examined were found to have minimal or no fractures, suggesting a high probability that these seals were conscious when skinned.
The veterinarian team concluded that the existing regulations were neither being respected nor enforced, and that the seal hunt is resulting in considerable and unacceptable suffering.

Source: IFAW

Kumar · Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Posts: 16289 Location: Prague

Infinite911911 wrote: Rohit wrote: Hm, I find the the marking of hundreds of thousands of humans for death in Africa more deserving of outrage. But there again is the twisted worldview of animal rights activists, seals=humans in importance. Whatever. :roll:

What makes you think that doesn't sadden me as well? I've started threads on the genocide that's occurring in places like Sudan. But thats a different thread. Here im focusing on the very stoppable murder of millions of innocent seals in the name of Fashion.

Everything and everyone one, be it a seal, an African, etc is born with the right to life. And no one should be able to take that away from them. Especially not for Fashion.
It may very well sadden you, as I would expect, for one would have to be inhuman for it not to. All I'm pointing out is that you've never come out with such energy and enthusiasm against those things as you are for this seal hunt.

In any case I do agree, the seals should not be killed.

Carly · Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 65 Location: Toronto

Infinite911911 wrote: letsgooilers wrote: To my knowledge, the seal hunt needs to happen, otherise the fishing stocks are serious depleleted. Which means a ton of people in newfoundland and labrador are screwed workwise. As best as I know, the seal hunt was actually stopped a while back, and they found the fish stocks seriously depleted.

No, the depletion of those fish stocks (especially Cod) was actually Human driven causing one of the largest "dead zones" in the world, thus killing the seals that lived and hunted there with lack of food.

And the fish isn't depleting just because they are the seals food. There was an open net policy, if I remember correctly, where it wasn't just Canada using open nets, but Europeans coming over as well.