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[Parmenides]

I am sure that everybody who takes the time to post on a site like this is fairly well educated. So I am also sure that you know the basic principles of ancient alchemy or at least chemistry. One of the principles of both is known as equivalent exchange. It states "To obtain, something of equal or greater value must be lost." This applies in some degree to life itself. Here is an excerpt from my journal.
"3/23/06 10:27 P.M.

Since my recent revelations, I have been immersing myself in deep thought frequently to refine these ideas. This is a brief summary of what I have realized so far.
The world is naturally unjust. The oppressed will not gain anything for their struggles and the hegemons will not be toppled. At least not by themselves. In such large scale cases, they need the help of people who, like me, have made such revelations. I have decided to define ourselves as the counter-weights of the world. In some cases though, anybody with enough determination and perseverance can accomplish anything. Or in large scale cases, any group of people can accomplish anything with enough determination and perseverance. The problem is that there are few counter-weights among the oppressed. They need leadership to transform them into counter-weights. This is why I want to join the military. I can help transform the oppressed. The African Muslims of Darfur, the peasants of China, the brainwashed people of the Islamic Middle East, the people of any corrupt, communist, despotic, or dictatorial government of the world. These are the people who need the help of the counter-weights."
What do all of you think about this?

[cap'n queasy]

If you think it is the Muslims who are being oppressed in Darfur, Sudan you have problems.

Maybe you shouldn't adopt slogans from cartoons to base your philosophy on.

That's what I think about it.

[Parmenides]

It's not from a cartoon, it's a 4,000 yr old saying.

[cap'n queasy]

Why do you think it is the Muslims of Sudan who are oppressed? It looks like they are the ones doing the oppressing to me.

[Parmenides]

A:It's muslims oppressing muslims.

B:I don't really give a sh*t about the muslims. I just wanted to fill in that entry with more examples and I'd been awake for 19 hours so my brain wasn't functioning fully.

[cap'n queasy]

I see.

Here's some info about what's happening in Sudan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_conflict

It's Muslims oppressing non-Muslims, actually.

[Parmenides]

Then my source is full of cr*p. I don't really care about the issue that much so I didn't bother to confirm my acquired info. I can believe what you said though. Those sand-n*ggers are souless murderers.

[Parmenides]

Hmmm. No offense, but I was originally right. You misread your source. You see, not all Muslims are Arabs. The situation is the Arab Muslims oppressing non-Arab(in this case African) Muslims. Quote: The conflict concerns two distinct groups in the diverse Darfur population; non-Arab black peoples like the Fur, Masalit, and Zaghawa, and Arab tribes collectively termed Baggara (also black by the standards of most non-Africans), who settled the region from about the 13th century onwards. Both groups are Muslims. This is an excerpt from the article you posted.

[cap'n queasy]

Parmenides wrote: Hmmm. No offense, but I was originally right. You misread your source. You see, not all Muslims are Arabs. The situation is the Arab Muslims oppressing non-Arab(in this case African) Muslims. Quote: The conflict concerns two distinct groups in the diverse Darfur population; non-Arab black peoples like the Fur, Masalit, and Zaghawa, and Arab tribes collectively termed Baggara (also black by the standards of most non-Africans), who settled the region from about the 13th century onwards. Both groups are Muslims. This is an excerpt from the article you posted.

Most of the people being oppressed in Sudan are non-Muslim Black Christians and animists. Some are black Muslims especially in the Darfur region. So, yes I believe you are correct about the Darfur conflict specifically being Sunni violence on other Muslim sects and ethnic groups. The situation in the south is a different picture.

Quote: Because of that, and throughout the 1980s and 1990s, Western Governments and media simply ignored the genocide in Sudan. More than a million southern Sudanese, mostly Christian, but also Animists, died in the ethnic cleansing campaign.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15026