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[Canadian_Patriot]

http://curdrice.com/ranga/red_rain.html

Red rain in India was found to contain living cells. It is very likely that they are not Earthly in origin. It could very well be some kind of atmospheric testing or bio-experiment. Either way they resemble red blood cells is it possible that we have some kind of "miracle" or perhaps an alien lifeform that hitched a ride on a comet that passed close by or an asteroid exploding in the atmosphere.

[Luigidel]

Interesting study. Although i was already a firm believer in life outside of this planet, this should definittely help convince the non-believers.

[Canada_Rocks]

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAH, The invasion has begun!. I pledge allegence to the Aliens.

[Pzatchok]

An easy way to tell if these cells came from outer space is to examin their DNA chains. If the chains are intact and show no more degredation than a normal cell does then they are from on this planet.
If the DNA is all chopped up and in short peices far beyond what is normal for earthbound cells then they traveled in space for a period of time.
Unshielded DNA gets cut up by cosmic rays in out space in short peiods of time. In usually less than a year or two DNA is useless.

[Canadian_Patriot]

apparently they can survive higher temperatures then we can at over 300 degrees C. It would definatly back up the meteor theory.

[DarkMerlin]

Pzatchok wrote: An easy way to tell if these cells came from outer space is to examin their DNA chains. If the chains are intact and show no more degredation than a normal cell does then they are from on this planet.
If the DNA is all chopped up and in short peices far beyond what is normal for earthbound cells then they traveled in space for a period of time.
Unshielded DNA gets cut up by cosmic rays in out space in short peiods of time. In usually less than a year or two DNA is useless.

But these cell-like particles don't have DNA. They lack nuclei altogether.

[Pzatchok]

DNA does not need a nuclei to have servived in detectible amounts. But the lack of one is not suprising. I don't beleive that all organisms on earth have a nuclei.

RNA and DNA can exist outside of a cell. The cell and nuclei just provide an enclosed invironment for replication.

Damaged cells can excibit many strange things.


I was thinking that this red stuff is actually "red tide" http://www.mote.org/index.php?src=directory&srctype=display&view=magazine&id=141&PHPSESSID=6c62dc8a680c713df1b18661ce115e8b that was s*cked up in a water spout and dropped miles aways from its pickup point. Just like what happens with small frogs and fish. If the water went high enough for long enough the cells and nuclei could have been dammaged by the thin upper atmosphere letting in cosmic radiation. I believe anything over 25,000 feet increases the radiation by a factor of 10. A few days alloft and the cells would be mush.

[Rilzic]

Can anyone find a follow up study on this? All the info i can find is from 2001. Is it still raining red or has it stopped?

[DarkMerlin]

Pzatchok wrote: DNA does not need a nuclei to have servived in detectible amounts. But the lack of one is not suprising. I don't beleive that all organisms on earth have a nuclei.

RNA and DNA can exist outside of a cell. The cell and nuclei just provide an enclosed invironment for replication.

Damaged cells can excibit many strange things.


I was thinking that this red stuff is actually "red tide" http://www.mote.org/index.php?src=directory&srctype=display&view=magazine&id=141&PHPSESSID=6c62dc8a680c713df1b18661ce115e8b that was s*cked up in a water spout and dropped miles aways from its pickup point. Just like what happens with small frogs and fish. If the water went high enough for long enough the cells and nuclei could have been dammaged by the thin upper atmosphere letting in cosmic radiation. I believe anything over 25,000 feet increases the radiation by a factor of 10. A few days alloft and the cells would be mush.

Well, had you read the paper or any of the numerous news articles on it, you would know that not only do these particles lack nuclei, they lack DNA altogether.

“These particles have much similarity with biological cells though they are devoid of DNA,” wrote Godfrey Louis and A. Santhosh Kumar of Mahatma Gandhi University in Kottayam, India, in the controversial paper.

While your theory about water spouts and red tide is intriguing (one I considered myself, and one considered, I'm sure, by many of the scientists involved), there are some distinct problems with it. First, the red rains came down heavily ten days or so and more sporadically for a few weeks thereafter. Even if waterspouts are powerful enough to do what you say, I'm not sure if they are common enough to get that much red tide algae into the atmosphere. Of course, the same could be said about the meteor theory, but I don't know enough about meteorology or the physics involved to make a claim on either.

The big problem I see is that the particles/cells don't look like red tide algae. Take a look at these images of various kinds of algae. Now compare them to the pictures posted in the original link on this thread (http://curdrice.com/ranga/red_rain.html). Rather a difference. The scientists looking into this (the authors of the original paper and others of varying degrees of skepticism) say that, other than lacking nuclei, these particles look like slightly larger versions of earth bacteria with extra thick cell walls, and bare a bit of a resemblance to red blood cells.

I don't know what they are, but I don't think they are red tide algae.

[Pzatchok]

http://museum.gov.ns.ca/poison/redtide.htm

My guess is Alexandrium or Prorocentrium.

They both look axactly like it.

By this paper if they had tested for the Domioc acid that could be in the water then they would have ruled in or out the red tide idea.

The fact that it was reported to have happened periodicly over several days does not rule out the fact that it could have been storm season and water spouts could have brought it inland. But that does tend to rule out a single meteor theory.

[DarkMerlin]

Rilzic wrote: Can anyone find a follow up study on this? All the info i can find is from 2001. Is it still raining red or has it stopped?

It only lasted about two months, starting on July 25, 2001.

[DarkMerlin]

Pzatchok wrote: http://museum.gov.ns.ca/poison/redtide.htm

My guess is Alexandrium or Prorocentrium.

They both look axactly like it.

By this paper if they had tested for the Domioc acid that could be in the water then they would have ruled in or out the red tide idea.

The fact that it was reported to have happened periodicly over several days does not rule out the fact that it could have been storm season and water spouts could have brought it inland. But that does tend to rule out a single meteor theory.

Well, I've only given the paper a thorough skimming, and I'm certainly no expert in any of these fields. Still, I can't help but suspect that the scientists studying this phenomenon already thought of red tide, and ruled it out.

Nevertheless, it's something to consider. Perhaps you could email your theory to one of the scientists connected with this topic.

[Tower7]

I believe there is probably extraterestrial life, but not anywhere close to Earth, and definately not what's shown here.

BTW, anyone ever seen Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978 version)?

[ieatfood]

they look like human rbcs
which dont have a nucleus or dna either.

[Canadian_Patriot]

rbcs do have nuclei and DNA the also carry oxygen and other molecules to your body these cells have survived a long time and can survive temperatures ours cannot. An event similar to this could have inadvertantly sparked life as we know it on the globe. Just think maybe the first micro organizms were things like these. I would not rule out the possibility of these cells being ET. However i would not rule out other possibilities as well.

[Pzatchok]

Actually the artical says nothing of any real tests being done on the water. just a microscpoe picture. The artical actually never says the material did survive high temps. If it came down in an ice ball it would have been cold.

As for them surviving on a shelf, in a closed bottle, no nurishment and nothing else. Sure they can.

The fact that they didn't think of any other explanation and then test it just proves to me my idea is as valid as theirs and probobly more so. Someone in the artical makes the inference that this junk is from space so it up to them to prove it. A microscope picture and the observational conclution that this stuff doesn't have a nuclius or DNA is not enough.
Thats right it was only an observational conclution and NOT an actual physical test.


I do not beleive in intelligent aliens and slowly any ideas I had about any life anyplace else in the galaxy is rapidly dwindling.

[Kindred]

Canadian_Patriot wrote: rbcs do have nuclei and DNA erythrocytes don't have nuclei

[Canadian_Patriot]

It had to have survived high temps and no small ice ball would make it through the atmospher at those high speeds a meteor maybe. besides If you paid attention to the Nasa Comet probe crash thing they found out that comet are actually dust for the most part and loosly packed. So it had to have survived high temperatures. Tests are currently being done by a hand full of researchers anyway on the things.

[perdidochas]

DarkMerlin wrote: Pzatchok wrote: An easy way to tell if these cells came from outer space is to examin their DNA chains. If the chains are intact and show no more degredation than a normal cell does then they are from on this planet.
If the DNA is all chopped up and in short peices far beyond what is normal for earthbound cells then they traveled in space for a period of time.
Unshielded DNA gets cut up by cosmic rays in out space in short peiods of time. In usually less than a year or two DNA is useless.

But these cell-like particles don't have DNA. They lack nuclei altogether.

Procaryotes (bacteria without nuclei) often have DNA

[perdidochas]

DarkMerlin wrote:

But these cell-like particles don't have DNA. They lack nuclei altogether.

Procaryotes (bacteria without nuclei) often have DNA.