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Rilzic · Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 385 Location: Alb, NM, USA

Alaska hit by 'massive' oil spill

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4795866.stm

Kind of funny i found this out through a British news service...

Anyway with this and the incident with the tanker a few months ago do you think this will have any impact on using more of alaska for drilling? What kind of impact?

Pzatchok · Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 7591

How much did the tanker spill?

Rilzic · Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 385 Location: Alb, NM, USA

"267,000 gallons (one million litres) of crude leaked from a corroded transit pipeline at the state's northern tip."

foadi · Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 13942 Location: bangkok thailand

That's not that much.

Stygma · Joined: 28 Sep 2005 Posts: 1346 Location: Boulder, Colorado

What a shame, all that oil gone to waste. :(

foadi · Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 13942 Location: bangkok thailand

Stygma wrote: What a shame, all that oil gone to waste. :(
It's only .2840203562% of average daily consumption for America. Again, it's not that much.

Stygma · Joined: 28 Sep 2005 Posts: 1346 Location: Boulder, Colorado

foadi wrote: Stygma wrote: What a shame, all that oil gone to waste. :(
It's only .2840203562% of average daily consumption for America. Again, it's not that much.

Yeah, but it's still a shame. I don't like to see good oil go to waste, even if it is an insignificant amount.

GTTofAK · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 5968 Location: Alaska

Rilzic wrote: Alaska hit by 'massive' oil spill

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4795866.stm

Kind of funny i found this out through a British news service...

Anyway with this and the incident with the tanker a few months ago do you think this will have any impact on using more of alaska for drilling? What kind of impact?

Its winter, colder than you could ever imagine. That caused the oil to congeal and make for very easy cleanup.

Pzatchok · Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 7591

I asked about the tanker not the pipeline which was mentioned in the artical.

Ritzik mentioned the tanker problem and if I remember correctly it spilled les than 500 gallons of fuel.

micfranklin · Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject:

Stygma wrote: What a shame, all that oil gone to waste. :(

:arhhg: :sigh1: When will we learn that shipping oil up to Alaska only results in this. You'd think after the Exxon Valdez incident and the Gulf War spill people would get the message that oil tankers are just plain unreliable. I say we should just stop shipping oil in boats altogether, that would probably save a lot of environment.

Pzatchok · Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 7591

Did you read the article?

A pipe line on LAND sprung a leak. The oil can be s*cked up and the land fixed. It not like its floating around the ocean. They can actually fence this one off to keep those millions of carabue out.

Rilzic · Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 385 Location: Alb, NM, USA

The point isn't that we lost oil. The point is that spills and leaks are still very real even with double hulled tankers, technology, and all the money oil companies are putting in to watching the environment to satisfy the environmental watch dog groups.

Even though this was not a huge spill compared to some of the largest ever spills and even if it will be easy to clean up, it won't be considering the environment) it is bound to have an impact on the plans for future drilling in Alaska. With the expanded oil operations in Alaska the chances of another spill will increase. With two incidents in just a few months there are going to be new concerns raised and new fuel to feed the argument against expanding the oil drilling in Alaska.

Do any of you think this is enough to put the new drilling on hold?

Pzatchok - Yes your right the tanker incident didn't spill any significant amounts of oil or fuel although it brought people's attention back to Alaska and raised concerns.

Tundra is a fragile environment partly because of the soil. it is not easy to fix and it will take a long time for this to become normal again.

I just wanted to bring this to peoples attention.

Winchester · Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 7541 Location: Montana

micfranklin wrote: Stygma wrote: What a shame, all that oil gone to waste. :(

:arhhg: :sigh1: When will we learn that shipping oil up to Alaska only results in this. You'd think after the Exxon Valdez incident and the Gulf War spill people would get the message that oil tankers are just plain unreliable. I say we should just stop shipping oil in boats altogether, that would probably save a lot of environment.

And how pray tell do we get it to our shores from overseas?

micfranklin · Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:43 pm Post subject:

Winchester wrote: micfranklin wrote: Stygma wrote: What a shame, all that oil gone to waste. :(

:arhhg: :sigh1: When will we learn that shipping oil up to Alaska only results in this. You'd think after the Exxon Valdez incident and the Gulf War spill people would get the message that oil tankers are just plain unreliable. I say we should just stop shipping oil in boats altogether, that would probably save a lot of environment.

And how pray tell do we get it to our shores from overseas?

Fly it over? I don't know, you tell me. I'm just tired of oil tankers getting dented up and screwing up the ocean.

Stygma · Joined: 28 Sep 2005 Posts: 1346 Location: Boulder, Colorado

micfranklin wrote: Winchester wrote: micfranklin wrote: Stygma wrote: What a shame, all that oil gone to waste. :(

:arhhg: :sigh1: When will we learn that shipping oil up to Alaska only results in this. You'd think after the Exxon Valdez incident and the Gulf War spill people would get the message that oil tankers are just plain unreliable. I say we should just stop shipping oil in boats altogether, that would probably save a lot of environment.

And how pray tell do we get it to our shores from overseas?

Fly it over? I don't know, you tell me. I'm just tired of oil tankers getting dented up and screwing up the ocean.

f**k the ocean. I've seen no major problems with the ocean as a result of oil spills.

poweRob · Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 22654

Speaking of oil spill, found out this weekend that Exxon/Mobile has YET to pay a dime to the people of Prince William Sound for their Valdez spill which is now 16 years old. Almost all fisherman up there have lost everything which has incurred some suicides. The Herring population hasn't rebounded and if you turn over stones along the waterline, it's still oil saturated.

Exxon/Mobile is STILL appealing upon appealing upon appealing.

Accidentally dump your oil changed used oil from your car in the drain and see if you can get away from paying.

It's sad to see such a double standard where two sets of laws and/or enforcement of laws exist.

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Rilzic wrote: Alaska hit by 'massive' oil spill

Humanity is the cancer of nature.

micfranklin · Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject:

poweRob wrote: Speaking of oil spill, found out this weekend that Exxon/Mobile has YET to pay a dime to the people of Prince William Sound for their Valdez spill which is now 16 years old. Almost all fisherman up there have lost everything which has incurred some suicides. The Herring population hasn't rebounded and if you turn over stones along the waterline, it's still oil saturated.

Exxon/Mobile is STILL appealing upon appealing upon appealing.

Accidentally dump your oil changed used oil from your car in the drain and see if you can get away from paying.

It's sad to see such a double standard where two sets of laws and/or enforcement of laws exist.

In short, oil spills cans crew everybody over.

GTTofAK · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 5968 Location: Alaska

poweRob wrote: Speaking of oil spill, found out this weekend that Exxon/Mobile has YET to pay a dime to the people of Prince William Sound for their Valdez spill which is now 16 years old. Almost all fisherman up there have lost everything which has incurred some suicides. The Herring population hasn't rebounded and if you turn over stones along the waterline, it's still oil saturated.

Exxon/Mobile is STILL appealing upon appealing upon appealing.

Accidentally dump your oil changed used oil from your car in the drain and see if you can get away from paying.

It's sad to see such a double standard where two sets of laws and/or enforcement of laws exist.

Hey thats the exact same thing the environmentalist do here to get their way. They just appeal and appeal until the original alloted budget is no longer suitable because of inflation. The the process starts all over again.

Rilzic · Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 385 Location: Alb, NM, USA

GTTofAK wrote: poweRob wrote: Speaking of oil spill, found out this weekend that Exxon/Mobile has YET to pay a dime to the people of Prince William Sound for their Valdez spill which is now 16 years old. Almost all fisherman up there have lost everything which has incurred some suicides. The Herring population hasn't rebounded and if you turn over stones along the waterline, it's still oil saturated.

Exxon/Mobile is STILL appealing upon appealing upon appealing.

Accidentally dump your oil changed used oil from your car in the drain and see if you can get away from paying.

It's sad to see such a double standard where two sets of laws and/or enforcement of laws exist.

Hey thats the exact same thing the environmentalist do here to get their way. They just appeal and appeal until the original alloted budget is no longer suitable because of inflation. The the process starts all over again.

And to think they had to pay a fine over 6 billion but a small million or two is to much and even more so since they making record profits.