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Ek0nomik · Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 2065 Location: La Fleur

joe christian wrote: Abortion in the US is a secular affair, permitted, condoned and practiced on a secular basis. No abortion clinics are affiliated or associated with any Christian medical institutions. Secularism is atheistic, therefore all US abortionists are atheists and most of their victims are Christian women.

Better than being a feminazi or an abortionazi.

Wait, let me get this straight. You believe all United States abortionists are Atheists?

joe christian · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 282

Ek0nomik wrote: joe christian wrote: Abortion in the US is a secular affair, permitted, condoned and practiced on a secular basis. No abortion clinics are affiliated or associated with any Christian medical institutions. Secularism is atheistic, therefore all US abortionists are atheists and most of their victims are Christian women.

Wait, let me get this straight. You believe all United States abortionists are Atheists?

A few have been identified as atheistic Jews. The rest are just secular feminists and male atheists.

Ek0nomik · Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 2065 Location: La Fleur

I think I've had enough of this one.

joe christian · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 282

Ek0nomik wrote: I think I've had enough of this one.
Yes, it is rather sad to learn of Jewish abortionists killing Christian babies in America. Three of the more famous ones were Bernard Nathanson, Barnett Slepian and Shalom Press.

One wouldn't think that people who survived the holocaust in Germany would participate in another here against Christians in America, just because it was legal and they could make a buck.

If anyone knows the religious identity of any other abortionists in the US, please report it rapidly to RAPID.

We have the addresses of all 750 abortion clinics in the US. Let us know what city and state you live in for quick and easy access to clinics in your vicinity.

liford · Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 150 Location: Saint Louis

Creepy...

joe christian · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 282

liford wrote: Creepy...
What's really "creepy" is how five farts on the SCOTUS elevated the private medical relationship between a woman and an abortionist to a superior legal level than the private relationship between a married woman, her husband and their family.

Their judicial elitism smacks of nazi supremacy and will be the downfall of the US unless Roe v Wade is soon overturned and all 50 states can begin to repopulate the countryside with Christian Americans.

Ek0nomik · Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 2065 Location: La Fleur

:lol: :lol: :lol: This is too f***ing funny.

joe christian wrote: If anyone knows the religious identity of any other abortionists in the US, please report it rapidly to RAPID.

No pun intended.

joe christian wrote: Yes, it is rather sad to learn of Jewish abortionists killing Christian babies in America. Three of the more famous ones were Bernard Nathanson, Barnett Slepian and Shalom Press.

Yes, very sad. :lol: It's as though they somehow tied down these women and took care of the fetus against her will.

sgtshortness · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 82

joe christian wrote: sgtshortness wrote: Doctors do not go out and seek woman that are religious just to abort their fetuses -- they abort fetuses because the woman asked them to.
Black and white American Christian and Muslim men don't give abortionists any more rights than they give adulterers or other homewreckers.

Clarity is missing on this point. Why the "black and white"? And since when does America legislate rights on the basis of religion? And how does your response answer me? And why did you mention men and not women?

joe christian wrote: Quote: Whether or not they are immoral or not doesn't change the fact that they are laws. Laws are laws, immoral or not.
Immoral laws must be disobeyed though.

I don't think it's immoral. And if you should've said so that you knew it was a law, albeit, in your opinion, an immoral one.

joe christian wrote: Quote: I think you should be aware that atheistic/secular doctors do not abort because of religious affiliation but because the Christian woman came and asked for an abortion.
If they were Christian doctors, they wouldn't abort their neighbor's wife without the fully informed consent of both parents.

Really? How do you know every Christian doctor does this? And are you referring to underaged females or adult women? And even if a Christian doctor would seek out parental approval, it still isn't religious persecution. Atheistic/"Atheistic Jew"/secular/whatever "abortionists" (what do you mean by this term? Those who support abortion or those who practice? Or both?) would treat a Christian lady's abortion the same as they would an atheist's.

joe christian wrote: Only atheists think they can get away with spilling the innocent blood of Christian babies year after year without facing the coming judgement.

What the hell is a Christian baby again? There's American and Chinese and Japanese and African (which are determined by inheritance), but what is a "Christian baby"?

joe christian · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 282

Ek0nomik wrote: joe christian wrote: Yes, it is rather sad to learn of Jewish abortionists killing Christian babies in America. Three of the more famous ones were Bernard Nathanson, Barnett Slepian and Shalom Press.

Yes, very sad. :lol: It's as though they somehow tied down these women and took care of the fetus against her will.
They did it without the fully informed consent of, and against the general will of, the Christian fathers and the rest of the Christian population.

There is no written evidence of any Christian woman ever consenting to any secular Jew to abort her Christian baby.

joe christian · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 282

sgtshortness wrote: joe christian wrote: sgtshortness wrote: Doctors do not go out and seek woman that are religious just to abort their fetuses -- they abort fetuses because the woman asked them to.
Black and white American Christian and Muslim men don't give abortionists any more rights than they give adulterers or other homewreckers.
Clarity is missing on this point. Why the "black and white"?
Because there are, proportionally speaking, many more white doctors aborting black babies than there are black abortionists killing off white Christian babies. Abortionists are basically racists.

Quote: And since when does America legislate rights on the basis of religion?
The US was founded on the basis of those religious rights expressed in the American Declaration of Independence.

Quote: And how does your response answer me? And why did you mention men and not women?
I am writing from a Christian Father's POV.

joe christian wrote: If they were Christian doctors, they wouldn't abort their neighbor's wife without the fully informed consent of both parents.

Quote: Really? How do you know every Christian doctor does this?
Christian doctors don't perform abortions unless the woman's life is at risk because of the pregnancy.

Quote: Atheistic/"Atheistic Jew"/secular/whatever "abortionists" (what do you mean by this term?
Non-Christians.

Quote: Those who support abortion or those who practice? Or both?) would treat a Christian lady's abortion the same as they would an atheist's.
That's the problem with atheists. They have no respect for Christ, Christianity, Christian fathers, mothers or children.

Quote: What the hell is a Christian baby again? There's American and Chinese and Japanese and African (which are determined by inheritance), but what is a "Christian baby"?
A Christian baby is one who is born of Christian parents and is normally baptized as such when not butchered by secular atheists and feminists while still in the mother's womb.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 8921

This sounds like nothing more than the same old segregation and religious racism that I've come to expect from "joe christian"...

Your "RABID" organization is not only racist, it should be illegal. Why does the religion or race of the doctor concern you so much? Also, why does the religion or race of the patient concern you so much? Are you really that concerned with potential Christians being "killed" through abortions? What about the other religions? Are they not as important as your "master race" or Christians? Are Christians so precious that you are willing to discriminate against every single person who is not a white Christian male?

You say that the fathers have no say in what happens to their potential child, yet, you do. If your wife is having an abortion done behind your back, that is something you need to work out with her. If you're choosing not to talk about it, or just not talking about it at all, that's not being granted the ability to communicate with your wife, that's just being too lazy to get off your ass and show some interest in someone other than your group of religious fanatics.

You have made claims about the race/creed of doctors, the race/creed of patients, the morals of people other than yourself, the religions of people other than yourself, the number of abortions done in America, the number of abortions done by doctors of certain religions, and yet you have showed NO FACTUAL EVIDENCE FOR ANY OF IT.

Get your facts together, and come back with an intellectual comment.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 8921

joe christian wrote: Because there are, proportionally speaking, many more white doctors aborting black babies than there are black abortionists killing off white Christian babies. Abortionists are basically racists.

We could get into a discussion over why educational levels are not equal, but that's a different issue for a different day. Completely ignoring the racism you show towards white doctors...

Evidence?

joe christian wrote: The US was founded on the basis of those religious rights expressed in the American Declaration of Independence.

The Declaration of Independence did not express any right to religion. In fact, the only right it did express is the right for the American colonies to break away from an oppressive British Monarchy.

Assuming that you meant the Constitution, that argument is still false. The Constitution expressed religious equality, which you clearly have no respect for.The Constitution says that every individual has a right to their own religion, and the right to not be discriminated against because of it. So technically, by discriminating against doctors of a faith different than your own, you are violating the First Amendment of the Constitution.

joe christian wrote: I am writing from a Christian Father's POV.

Are all Christian father's extremist, elitist, racist, and discriminative like you? If so, then I'm glad I'm not Christian.

joe christian wrote: Christian doctors don't perform abortions unless the woman's life is at risk because of the pregnancy.

Again, ignoring your subtle claims of the "superiority" of Christian doctors...

Evidence?

joe christian wrote: Non-Christians.

Or, those that don't share your religion, and are therefore second-class citizens in your mind. Much like Jews were in Nazi Germany. You cannot discriminate against another group of people because they worship differently than you. That only shows your immaturity and arrogance.

joe christian wrote: That's the problem with atheists. They have no respect for Christ, Christianity, Christian fathers, mothers or children.

Still more discrimination against people of a different faith. Stop treating other people like inferior people because they don't follow the same God you do. Accept people for their differences and love them anyway. Isn't that what Jesus would do?

joe christian wrote: A Christian baby is one who is born of Christian parents and is normally baptized as such when not butchered by secular atheists and feminists while still in the mother's womb.

The discrimination never stops with you, does it? Baptism does not make someone Christian. An action that someone else does for them does not count as free will and free consent. Religion is determined by what is on the inside. You can take a Pagan (no offense, just random selection) and baptize them however many times you want, but they will still be a Pagan.

sgtshortness · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 82

Amen.

joe christian · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 282

LostSoul3412 wrote: This sounds like nothing more than the same old segregation and religious racism that I've come to expect from "joe christian"...
Segregation and religious racism is what the atheistic and secular white Democrats impose on black American Christians now with their wicked political chants of "segregation of church and state" and forcing black American children to attend wicked white and secular public schools instead of funding parochial schools in their own neighborhoods. You can't call others names without incriminating the whole anti-Christian Democratic Party.

Quote: Your "RABID" organization is not only racist, it should be illegal.
That's your "RABID" organization which you are talking about since I am not a member of any group by that name.

Quote: Why does the religion or race of the doctor concern you so much?
We have to gather these employment statistics for purposes of equal racial opportunity and affirmative Christian action in cases where black American Christians are being discriminated against by white abortion doctors in private and atheistic abortion clinics.

Quote: Also, why does the religion or race of the patient concern you so much?
Because we find that atheistic and secular white abortionists are killing a proportionally larger number of African and Hispanic American babies than of their own race and religious group.

Quote: Are you really that concerned with potential Christians being "killed" through abortions?
Obviously.

Quote: What about the other religions? Are they not as important as your "master race" or Christians?
Of course they are, since in our religion we do not consider white abortionists to be part of any "master race" of yours, but rather anti-religious in their attitudes towards religion in general. I can only represent and speak for Christian Fathers at this time, but if any other religious groups wish to work with Christian Fathers in defense of their own families and children, we are happy to work with them.

Quote: Are Christians so precious that you are willing to discriminate against every single person who is not a white Christian male?
Christians are not discriminating against anyone in abortion clinics. It is the wicked white witches and secular abortionists who are killing our Christian babies, remember? You seem to harbor a rather perverted anti-Christian view of what constitutes discrimination.

Quote: You say that the fathers have no say in what happens to their potential child, yet, you do.
Not in cases where men's wives secretly conspire with abortionists to kill their husband's children before they are born.

Quote: If your wife is having an abortion done behind your back, that is something you need to work out with her.
How would a man know that his wife is having an abortion if no one informs him of the fact? You don't expect husbands or wives to inform each other when they are going to commit adultery, do you?

Quote: If you're choosing not to talk about it, or just not talking about it at all, that's not being granted the ability to communicate with your wife, that's just being too lazy to get off your ass and show some interest in someone other than your group of religious fanatics.
I discuss these things with my wife and adult children all the time in order to educate them. Most American men don't seem to be very well informed about how the white atheists, feminists and secular abortionists spawn their diabolical schemes and work towards the destruction of all American Christian families.

Quote: You have made claims about the race/creed of doctors, the race/creed of patients, the morals of people other than yourself, the religions of people other than yourself, the number of abortions done in America, the number of abortions done by doctors of certain religions, and yet you have showed NO FACTUAL EVIDENCE FOR ANY OF IT.
That's an obvious lie since I have posted many links to the websites from which I get my data from. You are the one who provides no evidence to substantiate or support any of your assertions, but instead flings wild accusations of discrimination about your opponents all over the place.

Quote: Get your facts together, and come back with an intellectual comment.
Sounds like someone told you that once and now you use the line whenever you have nothing intelligent to say, also. Trouble is, I have been presenting substantiated facts in every post, and you have done nothing but filibuster and accuse your opponent of discrimination without providing one whit of evidence to substantiate your false claims.

joe christian · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 282

LostSoul3412 wrote: joe christian wrote: Because there are, proportionally speaking, many more white doctors aborting black babies than there are black abortionists killing off white Christian babies. Abortionists are basically racists.

We could get into a discussion over why educational levels are not equal, but that's a different issue for a different day. Completely ignoring the racism you show towards white doctors...

Evidence?
You provide no evidence of any racism on my part towards white doctors in contrast to the evidence which depicts white abortionists as racists.
http://blackgenocide.org/

joe christian wrote: The US was founded on the basis of those religious rights expressed in the American Declaration of Independence.

Quote: The Declaration of Independence did not express any right to religion. In fact, the only right it did express is the right for the American colonies to break away from an oppressive British Monarchy.
Really. No wonder you have difficulty comprehending and absorbing what I write. You seem to be suffering from a general reading disability.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness ... "
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/declaration_transcript.html

How might God-given rights not be construed by you as religious rights?

Quote: Assuming that you meant the Constitution, that argument is still false.
Assuming that I meant the USC would be a false assumption on your part.

Quote: The Constitution expressed religious equality, which you clearly have no respect for.
Evidence?

Quote: The Constitution says that every individual has a right to their own religion, and the right to not be discriminated against because of it.
Evidence?

Quote: So technically, by discriminating against doctors of a faith different than your own, you are violating the First Amendment of the Constitution.
Where does it say that in the FA? Even if it did, I am not discriminating against any doctors. Rather are atheistic white abortionists killing black American Christian babies against the will of the parents.

joe christian wrote: I am writing from a Christian Father's POV.

Quote: Are all Christian father's extremist, elitist, racist, and discriminative like you? If so, then I'm glad I'm not Christian.
You are only assuming that you are not what you call me, since you provide no evidence to the contrary.

joe christian wrote: Christian doctors don't perform abortions unless the woman's life is at risk because of the pregnancy.

Quote: Again, ignoring your subtle claims of the "superiority" of Christian doctors...

Evidence?
It's just an irrefutable fact.

joe christian wrote: A Christian baby is one who is born of Christian parents and is normally baptized as such when not butchered by secular atheists and feminists while still in the mother's womb.

Quote: Baptism does not make someone Christian.
How would you know since you are not a Christian? Who are you to make rules governing what Christian baptism can do?

Quote: An action that someone else does for them does not count as free will and free consent. Religion is determined by what is on the inside.
What religion says that? Besides your own, of course.

Quote: You can take a Pagan (no offense, just random selection) and baptize them however many times you want, but they will still be a Pagan.
New-born Christian babies aren't pagans though. Neither are human fetuses.

Viserys · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 5

Race has nothing to do with abortion. We were debating people of religion. joe christian wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: This sounds like nothing more than the same old segregation and religious racism that I've come to expect from "joe christian"...
Segregation and religious racism is what the atheistic and secular white Democrats impose on black American Christians now with their wicked political chants of "segregation of church and state" and forcing black American children to attend wicked white and secular public schools instead of funding parochial schools in their own neighborhoods. You can't call others names without incriminating the whole anti-Christian Democratic Party.

And here we find your motive: You want the church and state to be the same. Logical fallacy: Generalization; you are saying all Democrats are atheistic, secular, and white.

"Forcing black American children" into secular schools? Oh no, whatever shall they do? We're giving them a free education? I'll be damned. What do you think private schools are for? If you want religion in your schools, that's where to do it. The reason private schools are not government-funded is because the government cannot support a religion. The government-funded public schools have certain qualifications, e.g. needing 180 days of school per year, class requirements, etc. Black American children have no need of religion in school any more than white American children or any other child of any race or nationality. Now you're implying that the religious white Republicans are going to liberate black American children from this oppression of a free education? Not everyone wants the church and state to be one.

joe christian wrote: Quote: Why does the religion or race of the doctor concern you so much?
We have to gather these employment statistics for purposes of equal racial opportunity and affirmative Christian action in cases where black American Christians are being discriminated against by white abortion doctors in private and atheistic abortion clinics.
They are asking for abortions. If having a fetus aborted is discrimination, then these black American Christian women are asking to be discriminated against. They want the abortion.

Quote: Also, why does the religion or race of the patient concern you so much?
Because we find that atheistic and secular white abortionists are killing a proportionally larger number of African and Hispanic American babies than of their own race and religious group. [/quote]
Could it be because more Hispanic/African-Americans have abortions? No, of course not. That would be logical.

joe christian wrote: Quote: Are Christians so precious that you are willing to discriminate against every single person who is not a white Christian male?
Christians are not discriminating against anyone in abortion clinics. It is the wicked white witches and secular abortionists who are killing our Christian babies, remember? You seem to harbor a rather perverted anti-Christian view of what constitutes discrimination. But the women are asking for the abortionists to "kill your children."

sgtshortness · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 82

Here is the definition of persecution..

The act or practice of persecuting on the basis of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs that differ from those of the persecutor. -- dictionary.com

Basis of race, religion, etc. Therefore for it to be religious persecution, "Atheistic Jews" would have to be aborting for the reason of religious differences. Abortion doctors do not seek out Christians to give them abortions -- the woman initiates the abortion.

Definition of discrimination:
"Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice: racial discrimination; discrimination against foreigners."

"Based on class or category" -- abortionists do not, again, go out and abort simply because of who they are. Besides aborting because the person's a woman... you can't perform an abortion on a man >.>

Ek0nomik · Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 2065 Location: La Fleur

Just stop talking to joe. It's worthless.

Prole · Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 2325 Location: Edinburgh

Ek0nomik wrote: Just stop talking to joe. It's worthless.
Seconded.

You could point out to him how claiming all abortion centers are atheistic based upon them not identifying with a particular religion is logical fallacy, as this means they are not atheistic (which is a religion) but areligious, and that many companies in many fields are universally not specifically associated with a particular religion, but that does not make all members of them atheists. When was the last time you at at an atheistic fast-food restaurant, or watched an atheistic professional basketball team?

You could point out how the majority of doctors identify themselves as Christian.

You could reiterate time and time again that babies are not born with any religious beliefs, nor do fetuses have any religious beliefs, so killing them is not killing anyone of any religion whatsoever.

You could mention the tiny, insignificant truth that women come to doctors for abortion, and that legally and ethically no one else's opinion makes any difference provided that both the doctor and woman consent to an abortion.

But apparently that would just make you a Nazi.

joe christian · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 282

Viserys wrote: joe christian wrote: Segregation and religious racism is what the atheistic and secular white Democrats impose on black American Christians now with their wicked political chants of "segregation of church and state" and forcing black American children to attend wicked white and secular public schools instead of funding parochial schools in their own neighborhoods. You can't call others names without incriminating the whole anti-Christian Democratic Party.

And here we find your motive: You want the church and state to be the same.
That's an illogical assumption on your part since all US Christians are obviously not members of the same church and we live in 50 free and independent states.
Quote: you are saying all Democrats are atheistic, secular, and white.
No. I am saying that the Democratic Party is secular by atheistic definition, and is dominated by white racists.

Quote: "Forcing black American children" into secular schools? Oh no, whatever shall they do?
Give their parents education equity vouchers so they can attend either a private secular or parochial school of their choice instead of forcing them into atheistic and secular totalitarian indoctrination systems.

Quote: We're giving them a free education?
A poor and inadequate education, and at most taxpayers involuntary expense.

Quote: What do you think private schools are for?
Certainly not only for the superior education of rich kids alone whose parents promote public schools for the purpose of giving the poor inferior and inadequate educations.

Quote: If you want religion in your schools, that's where to do it.
That is the typical atheistic and secular POV which is currently promolgated by the white wing of the anti-Christian Democratic Party which still enslaves black Americans in atheistic and secular public schools.

Quote: The reason private schools are not government-funded is because the government cannot support a religion. The government-funded public schools have certain qualifications, e.g. needing 180 days of school per year, class requirements, etc. Black American children have no need of religion in school any more than white American children or any other child of any race or nationality.
Obviously, you are speaking for the Democratic Party.

Quote: Now you're implying that the religious white Republicans are going to liberate black American children from this oppression of a free education?
Somebody has to liberate white and black American Christian schoolchildren and their parents from the oppressive totalitarian system of unfree secular and atheistic indoctrination which you mistakenly call "free education,'' but is more of a system of government slave control than a free system of higher education.

joe christian wrote: We have to gather these employment statistics for purposes of equal racial opportunity and affirmative Christian action in cases where black American Christians are being discriminated against by white abortion doctors in private and atheistic abortion clinics.
Quote: They are asking for abortions.
They are being sold abortions by atheistic and secular abortion slavers. Asking someone to kill your child doesn't legitimize it any more than asking someone to sell their child is cause for a legitimate sale.

Quote: If having a fetus aborted is discrimination, then these black American Christian women are asking to be discriminated against. They want the abortion.
Just because men and women want to be prostitutes, abortionists or slave traders doesn't give them the right to buy and sell either their bodies, their souls or their fetuses.