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[joe christian]

Religious Activists for Population Increase and Development

RAPID is a rapidly growing grassroots movement for the rapid increase and development of the Jewish, Christian and Islamic population in America.

We therefore denounce all medical doctors and medical organizations who perform abortions on Catholic, Protestant, Jewish and Muslim women without their being fully informed of the doctor's religion, religious affiliation or lack thereof, and their written consent acknowledging the religious identification of both the doctor, and the owners and operators of the abortion facility.

[Ek0nomik]

joe christian wrote: Religious Activists for Population Increase and Development

RAPID is a rapidly growing grassroots movement for the rapid increase and development of the Jewish, Christian and Islamic population in America.

We therefore denounce all medical doctors and medical organizations who perform abortions on Catholic, Protestant, Jewish and Muslim women without their being fully informed of the doctor's religion, religious affiliation or lack thereof, and their written consent acknowledging the religious identification of both the doctor, and the owners and operators of the abortion facility.

You want an abortion. (Let's assume you're Jewish)

I'm an Atheist.

If I perform the abortion, it's seen as myself trying to get rid of the Jewish culture.

If another Jew performs the abortion, it's perfectly fit.

Did I read this correctly?

Wouldn't it make more sense if you kept your mouth shut while going into an abortion, and letting the doctor keep their mouths shut too?

[Prole]

Does this group, joe christian, have a website? Perhaps you could post the link in the sources thread; stickied at the top of the abortion forum.

Ek0nomik pretty much summed up my sentiments; well said. As a side question, how exactly is knowing a doctor's religious affiliation when performing an abortion going to help increase a certain religious affiliation's membership?Still, methinks it's best to start a countergroup:

Individuals Who Really Aren't Bothered By A Doctor's Religious Affiliation. Or, IWRABBADRA, (pronounced I-rab-ba-dra).

We don't care what religoius or other personal beliefs a doctor has, as long as they do their job safely and ethically. We also get together Thurdays for fajita night. Who's in?

[Ek0nomik]

Prole wrote: Does this group, joe christian, have a website? Perhaps you could post the link in the sources thread; stickied at the top of the abortion forum.

Ek0nomik pretty much summed up my sentiments; well said. As a side question, how exactly is knowing a doctor's religious affiliation when performing an abortion going to help increase a certain religious affiliation's membership?Still, methinks it's best to start a countergroup:

Individuals Who Really Aren't Bothered By A Doctor's Religious Affiliation. Or, IWRABBADRA, (pronounced I-rab-ba-dra).

We don't care what religoius or other personal beliefs a doctor has, as long as they do their job safely and ethically. We also get together Thurdays for fajita night. Who's in?

I always hated my mom and dad's fajita's as a child, and I still do. Prole, if your family has a secret recipe, I'd like to give it a try.

To some people, religious affiliation truly matters. As you said, as long as the job is being done safely and ethically, I don't see the problem. Sure, we don't have to see eye to eye on religious beliefs, or even abortion beliefs. As long as the task is getting done the way it is supposed to, who cares.

Edit: I can't find a website for this group. Maybe the google crawler hasn't hit it yet, but I doubt it is a very credible group. Prole, you should make a user named titled joe_freethinker and get your group IWRABBADRA started.

[Korimyr the Rat]

You know, my faith's on a recruitment drive too, but we ain't going around trolling in abortion clinics.

You should try ministry. Heard that works pretty good.

[joe christian]

Ek0nomik wrote: joe christian wrote: Religious Activists for Population Increase and Development

RAPID is a rapidly growing grassroots movement for the rapid increase and development of the Jewish, Christian and Islamic population in America.

We therefore denounce all medical doctors and medical organizations who perform abortions on Catholic, Protestant, Jewish and Muslim women without their being fully informed of the doctor's religion, religious affiliation or lack thereof, and their written consent acknowledging the religious identification of both the doctor, and the owners and operators of the abortion facility.
Wouldn't it make more sense if you kept your mouth shut while going into an abortion, and letting the doctor keep their mouths shut too?
The current 'don't ask - don't tell' policy in the abortion business is contrary and counter-productive to our stated mission and goal of rapidly increasing the Jewish, Christian and Islamic population here in America.

We demand that Halal, Kosher or Christian abortion butchers be identified and labeled religiously in order to force the atheists, feminists and secularists in the abortion business to come out of the closet and defend their athiest, feminist or secular right to abort the babies of Jewish, Christian and Muslim women.

[joe christian]

Prole wrote: Does this group, joe christian, have a website? Perhaps you could post the link in the sources thread; stickied at the top of the abortion forum.
Not yet. We're just getting started.
Quote: As a side question, how exactly is knowing a doctor's religious affiliation when performing an abortion going to help increase a certain religious affiliation's membership?
Odds are that most abortionists are atheists, feminists and secularists with no religious affiliation, since they do not advertise nor offer their services in connection with any religious organization and don't seem to approve of any religious investigations into the true nature of their clandestine de-population activities.

Therefore, as good Jews, Christians and Muslims, we have the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances concerning the atheistic, feminist and secular atrocities being commited against our growing Christian, Jewish and Islamic population. Unless these anti-religious abortion practices are rapidly brought to a halt, the entire Jewish, Christian and Islamic population in the US may sue the legal and medical professions for holocaust reparations to our people in the US.

[joe christian]

Korimyr the Rat wrote: You know, my faith's on a recruitment drive too, but we ain't going around trolling in abortion clinics.
What faith are you recruiting on behalf of then?

[Prole]

joe christian wrote: Prole wrote:
As a side question, how exactly is knowing a doctor's religious affiliation when performing an abortion going to help increase a certain religious affiliation's membership?
Odds are that most abortionists are atheists, feminists and secularists with no religious affiliation, since they do not advertise nor offer their services in connection with any religious organization and don't seem to approve of any religious investigations into the true nature of their clandestine de-population activities.

Considering that only like 3% of Americans acknowledge themselves as atheist, and over 90% are Christian, Jewish or Muslim, the vast majority of doctors are in fact a member of one of those religions. Furthermore, most people, whether religious or not, would say that gender equality and religion aren't at odds with each other. As for being a secularist, well doctors should be; doctor's jobs are provide a service with secular science.

Why should doctors identify themselves with any religious group? What purpose will that serve other than to make those outside of that group to feel less important when going to see a doctor?

If you want to have a doctor of a certain religion, or any other personal choice, you are more than welcome to ask them. Heck, most doctors probably would have no problem sharing such information. But ultimately, belief is a very personal thing, and that doctors should receive a government mandate requiring them to share information unrelated to the service they are providing is simply ridiculous.

joe christian wrote: Therefore, as good Jews, Christians and Muslims, we have the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances concerning the atheistic, feminist and secular atrocities being commited against our growing Christian, Jewish and Islamic population. Unless these anti-religious abortion practices are rapidly brought to a halt, the entire Jewish, Christian and Islamic population in the US may sue the legal and medical professions for holocaust reparations to our people in the US.
You of course have the right to petition for whatever you please. But nothing is being committed against religious groups, or any others. Abortions by consent are by definition consensual; it is a mutually wanted act between two parties, not anything being forced upon anyone. Forcing doctors to give personal details about themselves, however, is a violation against their privacy.

If it does not impair their ability to perform their jobs, then personal details are ultimately just that; personal. There exists no reason why a person of any belief system should be less able to perform a job unless the conditions of that job are impacted by said belief system; for example, a Mormon doctor who chooses not to provide blood transfusions will not be able to perform surgery as safely as someone who will provide blood transfusions. Patients should be able to ask about such factors.

But how does having a particular religious leaning affect a doctor's ability to perform a surgery? And furthermore, how would knowing a doctor's particular religious leaning change what abortion is; a consenting, secular act between doctor and patient?

[joe christian]

Prole wrote: Why should doctors identify themselves with any religious group?
We want to know what religion the abortionists are who are practicing on Jewish, Christian and Muslim women without their being fully informed of the consequences of blood libel.
Quote: But nothing is being committed against religious groups, or any others.
That's not true. We know that Jewish, Christian and Muslim babies are being killed by atheist, feminist and secular abortionists. We want to know if any Jews, Christians, Muslims or members of other religions are involved.
Quote: Abortions by consent are by definition consensual; it is a mutually wanted act between two parties, not anything being forced upon anyone
We don't have any evidence of women giving their fully informed religious consent.
Quote: Forcing doctors to give personal details about themselves, however, is a violation against their privacy.
Forcing Jewish, Christian and Muslim women to get secular abortions without their written religious consent is a violation of their religion.

[Korimyr the Rat]

joe christian wrote: What faith are you recruiting on behalf of then?

Ásatrú, though the term "recruitment drive" isn't really accurate. I threw it in for humorous effect.

Handful of prominent kindreds run outreach ministry programs, especially in prisons and juvenile detention centers-- to reach people who would directly benefit from stronger ties to an honorable community.

[Enoch]

joe christian wrote: Prole wrote: Why should doctors identify themselves with any religious group?
We want to know what religion the abortionists are who are practicing on Jewish, Christian and Muslim women without their being fully informed of the consequences of blood libel.
Quote: But nothing is being committed against religious groups, or any others.
That's not true. We know that Jewish, Christian and Muslim babies are being killed by atheist, feminist and secular abortionists. We want to know if any Jews, Christians, Muslims or members of other religions are involved.
Quote: Abortions by consent are by definition consensual; it is a mutually wanted act between two parties, not anything being forced upon anyone
We don't have any evidence of women giving their fully informed religious consent.
Quote: Forcing doctors to give personal details about themselves, however, is a violation against their privacy.
Forcing Jewish, Christian and Muslim women to get secular abortions without their written religious consent is a violation of their religion.
Are you trying to say that Christian, Muslim, and Jewish women need to get religious consent (Priest, Rabbi, Cleric, etc) in order to have an abortion? And that abortion doctors should be forced to ask for said proof before performing the abortion?

[Enoch]

joe christian wrote: Religious Activists for Population Increase and Development

RAPID is a rapidly growing grassroots movement for the rapid increase and development of the Jewish, Christian and Islamic population in America.

We therefore denounce all medical doctors and medical organizations who perform abortions on Catholic, Protestant, Jewish and Muslim women without their being fully informed of the doctor's religion, religious affiliation or lack thereof, and their written consent acknowledging the religious identification of both the doctor, and the owners and operators of the abortion facility.

Well, beings that abortion is a secular process without basis in any religious doctrine, the legality of forcing religious identification of doctors is questionable at best. It sounds as if you should, instead, be focusing on trying to convince Christian, Jewish, and Islamic women not to have abortions instead of trying to religiously persecute the people that these women are choosing to turn to.

[joe christian]

UrielsFyre wrote: Are you trying to say that Christian, Muslim, and Jewish women need to get religious consent (Priest, Rabbi, Cleric, etc) in order to have an abortion?
Absolutely. If they don't, they are in danger of becoming atheistic and secular democrats.
Quote: And that abortion doctors should be forced to ask for said proof before performing the abortion?
Abortionists should be identified by sex, marital status, race, ethnicity, religion, and/or religious and political affiliation.

[joe christian]

UrielsFyre wrote: joe christian wrote: Religious Activists for Population Increase and Development

RAPID is a rapidly growing grassroots movement for the rapid increase and development of the Jewish, Christian and Islamic population in America.

We therefore denounce all medical doctors and medical organizations who perform abortions on Catholic, Protestant, Jewish and Muslim women without their being fully informed of the doctor's religion, religious affiliation or lack thereof, and their written consent acknowledging the religious identification of both the doctor, and the owners and operators of the abortion facility.

Well, beings that abortion is a secular process without basis in any religious doctrine, the legality of forcing religious identification of doctors is questionable at best.
Only from a secular POV. From a religious POV, secular killing of Jewish, Christian and Muslim babies is even more questionable. It's outrageous and intolerable.
Quote: It sounds as if you should, instead, be focusing on trying to convince Christian, Jewish, and Islamic women not to have abortions instead of trying to religiously persecute the people that these women are choosing to turn to.
Secular killing of Jewish, Christian and Muslim babies is religious persecution.

[sgtshortness]

Quote: Only from a secular POV. From a religious POV, secular killing of Jewish, Christian and Muslim babies is even more questionable. It's outrageous and intolerable.

I fail to see why we should, as a country of seperation of church and state, go by the religious POV and not the secular POV.

Quote:
Secular killing of Jewish, Christian and Muslim babies is religious persecution.

So... Whenever an atheist kills a Christian it's more severe because it's religious persecution, too? What if it's not with religious intent?

Also, if some religious person goes to get an abortion, isn't it their responsibility to ask the religion if they want to know?

[joe christian]

sgtshortness wrote: Quote: Only from a secular POV. From a religious POV, secular killing of Jewish, Christian and Muslim babies is even more questionable. It's outrageous and intolerable.

I fail to see why we should, as a country of seperation of church and state, go by the religious POV and not the secular POV.
The people have the right to free speech and to the free exercise their religious beliefs. If atheists, feminists and secularists are killing Christian babies, Christians have the right to petition the government to stop it.
Quote: So... Whenever an atheist kills a Christian it's more severe because it's religious persecution, too? What if it's not with religious intent?
It's still a religious matter concerning the life and growth of Christian communities within the greater Christian population.
Quote: Also, if some religious person goes to get an abortion, isn't it their responsibility to ask the religion if they want to know?
Yes. It is also the responsibility of Catholic and Protestant fathers and husbands to find out and religiously identify exactly who is killing Catholic and Propestant babies without their informed consent.

[sgtshortness]

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "Christian babies," could you explain that?

[Viserys]

joe christian wrote: Secular killing of Jewish, Christian and Muslim babies is religious persecution.

Wow, this seems so ridiculous it's hard to believe you're not joking. You sound as if people are walking up to random babies born to a Christian family and stabbing them in the face.

First, the "babies" aren't even born yet. So a Christian woman WILLINGLY goes to an abortionist and aborts the fetus. The act is not (currently) illegal, and it was willingly done by both the abortionist and the woman. Is this suddenly religious persecution? Because of coincidence, does the abortionist magically turn into a person who tries to exterminate religious people?

Let's see a similar situation. Pretend I am a barber. One day a man comes to the shop and pays to be shaven bald. I do so and accept the money. Do I want everyone to be bald? Am I trying to rid the world of hair? Of course not, and it would be stupid to think that way.

[joe christian]

sgtshortness wrote: I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "Christian babies," could you explain that?
The babies which would be born to Christian women were it not for their being butchered before birth.

You don't have the same kind of difficulty recognizing black and white Christian babies, do you?

If so, just ask the mother what her race and religion is.

Of course, what we really want to know is the race and religion of the abortionists who are butchering white and black Christian babies in the US.