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Gaius · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 139

Anyone else here know or follow much Utopianist theory?

Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

Utopia = I rule

The Ferryman · Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Posts: 1518

Utopianism is fer' sheepherders.

fakeplasticpayden · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 12 Location: Utah

i really dont think a utopia can exist, i mean think if everyone was honest, think if everyone was honest, well then you have a whole new level of hate, everyone will tell everyone exactly what they think of them.

Johannes · Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 834

Utopia=Women naked all the time, me rich, and you're serving me drinks.

Savonarola · Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 16

hmm...utopia? definition: Utopia, in its most common and general positive meaning, refers to the human efforts to create a better, or perhaps perfect society (wikipedia)

i guess a utopian society could exist with that definition, but whether a perfect society could be created is beyond me.

Rankor and Pissing · Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 10229

Had 24 hours of Utopia one time... It was in Santo Domingo and a brunette beauty near the Ciudad Universitaria ...
:flwr:

Conserv\Traditionalist · Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 125

I believe utopia originally meant "nowhere". Guess it cant exist.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 8921

Sure a utopia can exist. But first humanity must want it to exist. I understand that that may be a confusing statement, but I stand by it none the less. Sure, everyone wants to live in a perfect world, but what really matters is that the governments we've put in place want to. Right now, military dictatorships are worried about holding their territory or claiming more, and democracies are focused on the next election. The governments that are in place are all autonomous entities that are concerned with running themselves than about the people's wishes. The connection between people and government is lost, and to get it back the government must be eliminated.

To me, a utopia can exist only when the people are truly in power over their own lives, and not dependent on a separate body to run it for them. To me, a utopia would be a world without money, without government, and with humanity taking responsibility for their own lives instead of having it dictated for them. But that's just me.

Since each person is an individual, everyone will have their own definition of the perfect world. To one person, a perfect world is a world ruled by a dictator that works for the good of the nation, and to another it may be a world where the people are collectivized and work for the common good above the individual desires. I can only give my view of the world we live in, and I cannot speak for others.

Conserv\Traditionalist · Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 125

LostSoul3412 wrote: Sure a utopia can exist. But first humanity must want it to exist. I understand that that may be a confusing statement, but I stand by it none the less. Sure, everyone wants to live in a perfect world, but what really matters is that the governments we've put in place want to. Right now, military dictatorships are worried about holding their territory or claiming more, and democracies are focused on the next election. The governments that are in place are all autonomous entities that are concerned with running themselves than about the people's wishes. The connection between people and government is lost, and to get it back the government must be eliminated.

To me, a utopia can exist only when the people are truly in power over their own lives, and not dependent on a separate body to run it for them. To me, a utopia would be a world without money, without government, and with humanity taking responsibility for their own lives instead of having it dictated for them. But that's just me.

Since each person is an individual, everyone will have their own definition of the perfect world. To one person, a perfect world is a world ruled by a dictator that works for the good of the nation, and to another it may be a world where the people are collectivized and work for the common good above the individual desires. I can only give my view of the world we live in, and I cannot speak for others.
Well, when you get to Neverland, drop me a line. I guess my definition of utopia is the Biblical new heaven and earth. It's the only nowhere I'll reach.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 8921

Conserv\Traditionalist wrote: Well, when you get to Neverland, drop me a line. I guess my definition of utopia is the Biblical new heaven and earth. It's the only nowhere I'll reach.

For all we know, Neverland could be right around the corner. :-P

Conserv\Traditionalist · Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 125

What ever makes you happy. :-D

garyd · Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 691 Location: tulsa, ok

The problem with the concept of a Utopian (read perfect) society is that until man himself is perfected - something that does not appear to be happening at any perceptible rate - no perfect society can exist and if man was perfect no society would needed.

Johannes · Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 834

Because man is not perfect, society can never be. Utopianism has to start with the individual, and only from that impossible state, can a society be formed from that.

enlightedsoldier · Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 5 Location: Idaho

Designing the perfect society is complicated because the perfect world would be one with no society at all. Yes this is confusing, so I will attempt to explain my thoughts as fluid as possible.

A Utopia, first of all, must lack power above all things. Power has not only corrupted people but governments, religion, and ideals as well. Power is the consequence of competition, ones false longing for pride and fulfillment. But what are we fulfilling? Does anyone truly want to work an 8 hour shift everyday? Do we want to follow certain laws of a country? No, at birth we are free from society's pressure.

In a Utopia society one would specialize in what he wishes to do, and in my opinion this small "commune" would naturally balance itself. There would be no worry of choosing an occupation based on money.

Also, the evil rooted within humans is not due to our initial nature, it is the effect of competition. I believe in an Utopian society the need to kill, steal, etc. would be nonexistent because their would be no benefit. Today people kill because they are jealous of another person, or they hate someone because of some competitive tension.

Achieving this state would be almost impossible due to the worlds amount of societal pressure. I have not found a way to achieve this state yet. But my theory is still young.

Alula · Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 517

I think people probably stopped discussing it because its just not possible.
The fact that people around the globe are suffering and others are made aware of that suffering, without inner tranquility you cannot achieve utopia.

mojo · Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Posts: 5537 Location: Dreamland, NC

I dont want utopia. I would rather not live in a world without utopian dreams. Our lives aren't about the ends but rather the process.

John Wilkes Booth · Joined: 01 Apr 2006 Posts: 394

The society I live in right this minute would be a Utopia to 99% of the people in history (including, unfortunately, many alive today).

rabidsquirrel · Joined: 14 Apr 2006 Posts: 2 Location: Minnesota

Has anyone read Brave New World?

John Wilkes Booth · Joined: 01 Apr 2006 Posts: 394

rabidsquirrel wrote: Has anyone read Brave New World?

Everyone.