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[Robin Hood]

This is a blog entry from http://muttawa.blogspot.com/.

My new Best Friend

I probably mentioned before that I like "strong women". Mrs A is strong. Mrs A (Senior) is formidable. The so-called "second sex" have an equal share of the planet with the males, and bear an unequal share of its pain. They have every right, therefore, to tell us exactly what they think of us, and what we are doing wrong. We men need it.

For this reason, I especially enjoyed these clips (here, they are numbers #783 and #1050). Islamic terrorism is an almost exclusively male activity, and Wafa Sultan, an Arab-American psychologist, now living in LA, has been tearing into a couple of male Islamist apologists on the subject of terrorism. In the first clip, she is up against a professor of Religious Politics from Algeria. She lets forth with this:

When you recite to a child still in his early years the verse: "They will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off," regardless of this verse's interpretation, and regardless of the reasons it was conveyed or its time – you have made the first step towards creating a great terrorist...

In other words, the education system (and Saudi Arabia's is a prime example) that teaches unquestioning acceptance, rather than proper interpretation, of Quranic passages, is the first step in the formation of a terrorist.

The Algerian professor has a bit of a problem with this. Not only is she not covering her head, but she is an extremely forthright, educated, and well-spoken woman, and she's giving him a real verbal lashing. Unable to counter what she is saying, he decides to change the subject. He's basically got three choices:

1) You're talking to the wrong person.
2) You're talking about the wrong thing.
3) Who are you anyway? What is your family, tribe, sect? Are you a true Believer?

He decides on option 2. I have edited to relieve the tedium, you'll get the picture.

The guest from America asked how a young man could blow up a bus. If only she had asked how a president could blow up a peaceful nation in Iraq. ....occupied Palestine?.... Hitler, who murdered 50 million innocent people. ....two atom bombs on Japan ......three million innocent Vietnamese? ....the Indians?....the Spanish civil war,....Who has over 15,000 nuclear warheads ....Where was Bush educated?

Thankfully, Wafa comes straight back to the point before we reach Napoleon, Genghis Khan, the Vikings, or of course Joshua.

Murder is terrorism regardless of time or place, but when it is committed as a decree from Allah, this is another matter...

It's not really a discussion, more of a shouting match. But whereas Wafa is continually bang on target, the professor continually blusters and blethers. For someone like me who is heartily sick of Islamist apologists, it was wonderful to watch.

The second clip has her up against a Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli. She comes out with a number of home truths, that will be familiar to any reader of this blog.

The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras.
It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century.
It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality.
It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship.
It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand.
It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings.

She then berates the Doctor for being an offensive bigot.

My colleague has said that he never offends other people's beliefs. What civilization on the face of this earth allows him to call other people by names that they did not choose for themselves? Once, he calls them Ahl Al-Dhimma, another time he calls them the "People of the Book," and yet another time he compares them to apes and pigs, or he calls the Christians "those who incur Allah's wrath." .... What gives you the right to call them "those who incur Allah's wrath," or "those who have gone astray," and then come here and say that your religion commands you to refrain from offending the beliefs of others?

Dr Ibrahim can't figure out what's going on here. She's turning his own words back on him, and then some. Why isn't this woman locked up at home? Why doesn't her husband tell her to shut up? Time to change the subject again. He's going for option 3.

Are you a heretic?.... If you are a heretic, there is no point in rebuking you, since you have blasphemed against Islam, the Prophet, and the Koran...

Big mistake, Doc, you're not even in her league. She's not having any of that.

These are personal matters that do not concern you.....Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don't throw them at me. You are free to worship whoever you want, but other people's beliefs are not your concern.

Wonderful stuff. I'm sure the reference to "stones" sailed right over his head, because it's a reference to the stone in the Qa'aba in Makkah, as well as the ones that are used to kill adultresses. But he's been insulted by a woman, and he's reaching over to throttle her inside that box that she's speaking from.

I could watch this over and over. It's like porn for moderate Muslims.

Meet Wafa Sultan, my new best friend.

[Saracen]

More like my worst enemy. :1evil:

The whole conversation was a farce to begin with.

Even the sheik wasn't in the right mind.

[Robin Hood]

What is it that you disagree with?

[spearsy23]

Well for one the women being treated like their nothings. Moath has repeatedly said that they respect their women way more than outsiders think. Anybody can win an argument if they use misconceptions and smoke and mirrors.

2nd giving a six year old verses like that isn't going to matter. A six year old is NOT going to be a terrorist. When people grow up and still mis-understand what is said in the quaran(sp?) that is how they become terrorist. Because they do not want to understand.

3rd about the supposed bigotry, how is saying someone else is worshipping the wrong god different from what ANY religion does? Come on now she's just trying to make it look like muslims are all the "bad guys". Who's a bigot now.

[Robin Hood]

Quote: Well for one the women being treated like their nothings. Moath has repeatedly said that they respect their women way more than outsiders think. Anybody can win an argument if they use misconceptions and smoke and mirrors.

Woman are not exactly well treated in much of Muslim world, they are heavily restricted by the state so much so that it's illegal for women to drive in Saudi Arabia.

The post also talks about how in Muslim families (like the bloggers) woman often run the house but that is obvious. It is the state, and theocratic restrictions that this post is attacking.

Quote: 2nd giving a six year old verses like that isn't going to matter. A six year old is NOT going to be a terrorist. When people grow up and still mis-understand what is said in the quaran(sp?) that is how they become terrorist. Because they do not want to understand.

The argument contained in the passage was that top down teaching espeically of violent verses without the prerequisite of student thought is not a good education.

Quote: 3rd about the supposed bigotry, how is saying someone else is worshipping the wrong god different from what ANY religion does? Come on now she's just trying to make it look like muslims are all the "bad guys". Who's a bigot now.

She's probably a Muslim and with a surname like 'Sultan' certainly of Islamic ancestry. She feels that she is attacking Muslims who are stupid, not Islam itself. She point's out the hypocrisiy of many leaders in the Muslim world - of which there is an awful lot.

It's not trying to paint Muslims as bad guys, if you'd read it you'd see that the woman is probably a Muslim and that the site I posted it off was written by a Muslim. It's trying to paint bad guys as they are, not Muslims. These ones just happen to hide behind Islam.

[Saracen]

She's a secular athiest Arab who lashes out against Islam.
Reason, I already addressed her nonsense in the Islam forum.