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[steen]

Plodder wrote: Quote: Mindless tissue can never rise to equal status with a person. yeat you are somehow blathering away at us... Ah, yes. Back to the personal attacks and ad hominems. Pro-life as expected.

[AllAmericanMan]

Quote: Mindless tissue can never rise to equal status with a person. I see this same thing said over and over. Do you not realize how insane this logic is? The "mindless tissue" is a person, just totally undeveloped. Doesnt make it not human, just young.

[Plodder]

Quote: Ah, yes. Back to the personal attacks and ad hominems. Pro-life as expected how hypocryitval i see. you obviously dont think about what I write do you? you say
Quote: Mindless tissue can never rise to equal status with a person. and you as in you! were once mindless tissue, yet somehow that "mindless tissue"is now trolling the abortion forum saying the same thing.

[steen]

AllAmericanMan wrote: Quote: Mindless tissue can never rise to equal status with a person. I see this same thing said over and over. Do you not realize how insane this logic is? Facts are never insane. Pro-life lies are, but perhaps you have become so steeped in them that you no longer notice them?

Quote: The "mindless tissue" is a person, just totally undeveloped. false. "Person" is a legal term and clearly is not applied until after birth. Are you so adverse to facts that you don't get this?

Quote: Doesnt make it not human, just young. Absolutely. But then, you were talking about "person" not "human." Could you cease so incredibly dishonestly substituting terminology like that? I could get the impression that you are deliberately lying if you continue to do so.

[Plodder]

Quote: Facts are never insane. once agin I will ask you: how are you talking to us since you were once this "mindless tissue that can never rise to the equal status of a person".? your logic is null and void.

[steen]

Plodder wrote: Quote: Facts are never insane. once agin I will ask you: how are you talking to us since you were once this "mindless tissue that can never rise to the equal status of a person".? your logic is null and void. I find it odd that you are so unaware that development happens? How bizzarly ignorant of you.

[Plodder]

according to you it doent.
"mindless tissue that can never rise to the equal status of a person".

this = no baby can ever become a person.

your are in the wrong forum. this is the facts , you deal in fiction.

[steen]

Plodder wrote: according to you it doent. You are lying.

Quote: "mindless tissue that can never rise to the equal status of a person". That would be the embryo, not a baby. Any other lies and misrepresentation you want to spew to make your lying argument?

Quote: this = no baby can ever become a person. False.

Quote: your are in the wrong forum. this is the facts , you deal in fiction. Careful, Plodder, you are talking to the mirror again.

[Revenant]

Burning Fertility Clinic, Who Do You Save?

Myself, I run out screaming and knocking others down in my scramble for self-preservation.

[Plodder]

Quote: Plodder wrote:
according to you it doent.

You are lying.


Quote:
"mindless tissue that can never rise to the equal status of a person".

That would be the embryo, not a baby. Any other lies and misrepresentation you want to spew to make your lying argument?


Quote:
this = no baby can ever become a person.

False.
`according to your self then you never wrote this.. pretending like you dont know what im talking about. again.

you communicate like a 15 yr old liberal.

[steen]

Plodder wrote: Quote: Plodder wrote:
according to you it doent.

You are lying.


Quote:
"mindless tissue that can never rise to the equal status of a person".

That would be the embryo, not a baby. Any other lies and misrepresentation you want to spew to make your lying argument?


Quote:
this = no baby can ever become a person.

False.
`according to your self then you never wrote this.. How so? Please provide evidence for your lie.

Quote: pretending like you dont know what im talking about. again. As your posts are garbled, incoherent and so full of lies that it is hard to see when you actually are saying something meaningful, it is rather difficult to know what you are talking about.

[Plodder]

Quote: How so? Please provide evidence for your lie. so are you negating your negation?

its prettiy simple logic



All humans are concieved.
all zygote's are human life.
All zygotes and fetuses are "non sensate, nonsentient human tissue"
Steen belives: "mindless tissue that can never rise to the equal status of a person".
Fetus will never be a person not now or in the future.
Development cannot happen


(steen must be an alien life form from Mars since he was never a fetus. he was always a person and therefore was never a fetus.)


or are you going to negate this simple logic?
of course you are. if steen doent saty it, its a lie.
or are you going to do the right thing and retract your idiotic statement therefore conceding the fact that fetuses/zygotes (babies) are persons.

[LostSoul3412]

Plodder wrote: its prettiy simple logic



All humans are concieved.

... And become the potential for human life...

Plodder wrote: all zygote's are human life.

Buzz, wrong answer. A zygote is the potential to become human life, not actual human life.

Plodder wrote: All zygotes and fetuses are "non sensate, nonsentient human tissue"

That is my point exactly, they are non-sentient, and therefore are not life, they are the potential to become life.

Plodder wrote: Steen belives: "mindless tissue that can never rise to the equal status of a person".

... I don't recall him saying that...

Plodder wrote: Fetus will never be a person not now or in the future.
Development cannot happen

To say that one does not develop is to say that one does not truly live. Life is nothing more than a series of developments through the context of our environment. If you believe that humans, or any creature, does not develop, then that is to say that you, or any other creature, is not really alive.

Plodder wrote: (steen must be an alien life form from Mars since he was never a fetus. he was always a person and therefore was never a fetus.)

Evidence?

Plodder wrote: or are you going to negate this simple logic?

Already done.

Plodder wrote: of course you are. if steen doent saty it, its a lie.

If that's what you believe... personally, I like to believe in relative truth.

Plodder wrote: or are you going to do the right thing and retract your idiotic statement therefore conceding the fact that fetuses/zygotes (babies) are persons.

Don't hold your breath.

[Plodder]

Quote: A zygote is the potential to become human life, not actual human life

...potential.... ok if that sthe bs that you must make up then.....

you are the only person ive ever herad say that. even steen recognizes that a zygote is human life, (or at least he did a while back)

[LostSoul3412]

Plodder wrote: Quote: A zygote is the potential to become human life, not actual human life

...potential.... ok if that sthe bs that you must make up then.....

you are the only person ive ever herad say that. even steen recognizes that a zygote is human life, (or at least he did a while back)

Does that make it wrong? An individual standing up for that individual's beliefs should not be scorned, it should be encouraged. If you cannot refute my argument, then that is fine, but do not resort to attacking it without justified claims. Debate is a respectable art, like fencing, and once it resorts to name-calling and simple "You're wrong!" or "if that sthe bs that you must make up then....." comments, it's no longer debate.

[Plodder]

how is a zygote not life?

that sis a very unscientific staement. it is the befginning of all life.

a bacteria is a fiorm of life annd truste it aint potential cause when I get some bad bacteria, i dont get potentially sick.

[LostSoul3412]

Plodder wrote: how is a zygote not life?

that sis a very unscientific staement. it is the befginning of all life.

a bacteria is a fiorm of life annd truste it aint potential cause when I get some bad bacteria, i dont get potentially sick.

The difference between a human and bacteria is that the bacteria that infects you is already fully developed into its life. The zygote, on the other hand, is only the potential to become that developed human life.

And actually, you do get potentially sick. Thousands of "bad bacteria" enter your body every day, but our own immune systems fight them off before we become infected. Nothing is absolute, everything is potential.

[PseuesoFlo]

I would save the two year old child simply because it seems more human, as an above poster explained. The two year old is a definite life, while a few hundred embryos are potential lifes.

[Plodder]

Quote: The difference between a human and bacteria is that the bacteria that infects you is already fully developed into its life. The zygote, on the other hand, is only the potential to become that developed human life.

And actually, you do get potentially sick. Thousands of "bad bacteria" enter your body every day, but our own immune systems fight them off before we become infected. Nothing is absolute, everything is potential if they are noit alive then why can they remain alive ndepenfently, you are making an inference that thiose things that cannot survive alone are not alive. and plenty of anilmals do that.

[LostSoul3412]

Plodder wrote: if they are noit alive then why can they remain alive ndepenfently, you are making an inference that thiose things that cannot survive alone are not alive. and plenty of anilmals do that.

Actually, I am saying the exact opposite. Bacteria do live and do exist independently, unlike an embryo. An embryo does not exist independently, because of the dependence on the physical attachment to the mother. All animals exist independently because that is a requirement of life, and the physical attachment, and overwhelming dependence on the mother shows that an embryo is not independent life; and therefore not life.