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[gary the cheater]

suppose i'm dying and wimp out at the last second and want someone to bless me so i don't go to hell..what religion should i ask for?

[cap'n queasy]

If you end up in that spot what you need to do is search your heart and ask Jesus Christ to forgive you for your sins and come into your heart. Tell Him that you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior. If this is what is in your heart, He will do this, and all will be good.

That's my opinion of what someone in that particular predicament should do, anyway. It doesn't matter if you get a blessing from a Catholic priest or a Protestant minister, just that you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior and repent your sins.

[ieatfood]

Catholic is the original. Protestanism is a spin-off.

SO you have to ask yourself, would you rather watch Friends or Joey...
Would you rather drink Coca-cola classic or Coca-cola diet vanilla?

But if you wanna be safe, go with Catholic.
It matters very much whether you get blessed by a Catholic or Protestant priest.
It's OK if a protestant person attends a catholic mass. But if a catholic attends a protestant mass, then that doesn't count as going to mass. Also, you need to do the whole confession thing too. Otherwise, no heaven for you. The catholic god doesn't recognize protestants as being worthy of heaven. But the protestant god is a bit more tolerant of catholics. So be safe--go catholic.

Although, maybe the Muslims are the ones who are right. In that case, we're all screwed. I guess I'll see you guys in hell. :twisted:

[Random Evil Guy]

that's like asking, what's worse. losing your right or your left leg...?

[John]

Quote: Catholic is the original. Protestanism is a spin-off.


Read the book of Acts.

Catholicism is a spin off....Protestantism is the protest against this "spin off" and call to return to the original roots.

[Gilbert1908]

gary the cheater wrote: suppose i'm dying and wimp out at the last second and want someone to bless me so i don't go to hell..what religion should i ask for?

Neither, if you acknowledge you sins and humbly and truly seek God's forgiveness and accept and believe in Jesus Christ no blessing on earth from anyone will do more.

[Gilbert1908]

ieatfood wrote: Catholic is the original. Protestanism is a spin-off.

SO you have to ask yourself, would you rather watch Friends or Joey...
Would you rather drink Coca-cola classic or Coca-cola diet vanilla?

But if you wanna be safe, go with Catholic.
It matters very much whether you get blessed by a Catholic or Protestant priest.
It's OK if a protestant person attends a catholic mass. But if a catholic attends a protestant mass, then that doesn't count as going to mass. Also, you need to do the whole confession thing too. Otherwise, no heaven for you. The catholic god doesn't recognize protestants as being worthy of heaven. But the protestant god is a bit more tolerant of catholics. So be safe--go catholic.

Although, maybe the Muslims are the ones who are right. In that case, we're all screwed. I guess I'll see you guys in hell. :twisted:

The only thing accurate in your statement is that Catholics do not "count" attending a protestant service.

Other than that NOTHING else is true.

The sacrament of confession is part of the Catholic experience but NOT a requirement for salvation.

One can be of any faith and reach salvation, I have posted this several times in answer to this issue and just don't feel like doing so for the Nth time. I am sure my Protestant friends John and the Capn will recall.

The God all Christians worship is the same God, we as human beings over time have some theological difference which in the end amount to next to nothing. We share far more in common than we share differences and from a salvation stand point no differences that are significant.

I for one do not plan on attending your meeting, and John and I already have agreed that when we have our meeting there will be no concern about who had it "more" right.

[Gilbert1908]

John wrote: Quote: Catholic is the original. Protestanism is a spin-off.


Read the book of Acts.

Catholicism is a spin off....Protestantism is the protest against this "spin off" and call to return to the original roots.

Jesus created a society of faithful. That society has by virtue of it being comprised of imperfect human beings grown, changed, split and disagreed on vaious aspect of our own faith.

But what has never changed and remains the central, critical and essential beliefs are that Jesus Christ is the Risen God, that upon the instant of His sacrifice he freed us from sin and provided us eternal salvation- that we all believe;

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you know me, then you will also know my Father. From now on you do know him and have seen him."

Our mutual beliefs bring us together they do not split us apart as unbelievers would no doubt prefer.

And I for one don't care who is a spin off of which, since I KNOW that we are all spin offs of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It is not a race to the beginning it is a race to the end, the focus is not where we were but where we are meant to go.

[ieatfood]

John wrote: Quote: Catholic is the original. Protestanism is a spin-off.


Read the book of Acts.

Catholicism is a spin off....Protestantism is the protest against this "spin off" and call to return to the original roots.

not according to history

[ieatfood]

Gilbert1908 wrote: John wrote: Quote: Catholic is the original. Protestanism is a spin-off.


Read the book of Acts.

Catholicism is a spin off....Protestantism is the protest against this "spin off" and call to return to the original roots.

Jesus created a society of faithful. That society has by virtue of it being comprised of imperfect human beings grown, changed, split and disagreed on vaious aspect of our own faith.

But what has never changed and remains the central, critical and essential beliefs are that Jesus Christ is the Risen God, that upon the instant of His sacrifice he freed us from sin and provided us eternal salvation- that we all believe;

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you know me, then you will also know my Father. From now on you do know him and have seen him."

Our mutual beliefs bring us together they do not split us apart as unbelievers would no doubt prefer.

And I for one don't care who is a spin off of which, since I KNOW that we are all spin offs of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It is not a race to the beginning it is a race to the end, the focus is not where we were but where we are meant to go.

my question is, how do you know that you're doing what it takes to get to heaven.

what if god really does require people to goto a catholic priest to get salvation? how would you know? you THINK that you're doing the right things to get to heaven. But most of what you think is based on what people have told you. But people are fallible. how do you know what are god's real requirements for heaven?

[ieatfood]

Gilbert1908 wrote: ieatfood wrote: Catholic is the original. Protestanism is a spin-off.

SO you have to ask yourself, would you rather watch Friends or Joey...
Would you rather drink Coca-cola classic or Coca-cola diet vanilla?

But if you wanna be safe, go with Catholic.
It matters very much whether you get blessed by a Catholic or Protestant priest.
It's OK if a protestant person attends a catholic mass. But if a catholic attends a protestant mass, then that doesn't count as going to mass. Also, you need to do the whole confession thing too. Otherwise, no heaven for you. The catholic god doesn't recognize protestants as being worthy of heaven. But the protestant god is a bit more tolerant of catholics. So be safe--go catholic.

Although, maybe the Muslims are the ones who are right. In that case, we're all screwed. I guess I'll see you guys in hell. :twisted:

The only thing accurate in your statement is that Catholics do not "count" attending a protestant service.

Other than that NOTHING else is true.

The sacrament of confession is part of the Catholic experience but NOT a requirement for salvation.

One can be of any faith and reach salvation, I have posted this several times in answer to this issue and just don't feel like doing so for the Nth time. I am sure my Protestant friends John and the Capn will recall.

The God all Christians worship is the same God, we as human beings over time have some theological difference which in the end amount to next to nothing. We share far more in common than we share differences and from a salvation stand point no differences that are significant.

I for one do not plan on attending your meeting, and John and I already have agreed that when we have our meeting there will be no concern about who had it "more" right.

how do you know what is or is not a requirement for salvation?
have you spoken to god yourself? are you a prophet or something?

it doesnt make sense that a catholic can be 100% faithful all his life, never miss a mass, and then attend a protestant service one week and get hit by a bus and be denied heaven

but that's how it works in catholicism

meanwhile, some protestant guy has been going to protestant services all his life and he gets to goto heaven? what kind of bs is that?

if i were a catholic, i'd be mad pissed.

[Gilbert1908]

ieatfood wrote: Gilbert1908 wrote: John wrote: Quote: Catholic is the original. Protestanism is a spin-off.


Read the book of Acts.

Catholicism is a spin off....Protestantism is the protest against this "spin off" and call to return to the original roots.

Jesus created a society of faithful. That society has by virtue of it being comprised of imperfect human beings grown, changed, split and disagreed on vaious aspect of our own faith.

But what has never changed and remains the central, critical and essential beliefs are that Jesus Christ is the Risen God, that upon the instant of His sacrifice he freed us from sin and provided us eternal salvation- that we all believe;

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you know me, then you will also know my Father. From now on you do know him and have seen him."

Our mutual beliefs bring us together they do not split us apart as unbelievers would no doubt prefer.

And I for one don't care who is a spin off of which, since I KNOW that we are all spin offs of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It is not a race to the beginning it is a race to the end, the focus is not where we were but where we are meant to go.

my question is, how do you know that you're doing what it takes to get to heaven.

what if god really does require people to goto a catholic priest to get salvation? how would you know? you THINK that you're doing the right things to get to heaven. But most of what you think is based on what people have told you. But people are fallible. how do you know what are god's real requirements for heaven?

I am telling you that even Catholic dogma does not require you to go to a priest for salvation.

I believe being a Catholic and practicing Catholicism will lead more people to share in God's Grace, but I have no doubt that other Christians, Jews, Muslims even some pagans etc. will also share in such Grace. I believe this because my Catholic faith instrcts me that it is so.

[ieatfood]

and no one has answered my last question.

what if the Muslims are correct?

how can you be sure that Jesus is the savior and not Mohammed?
How did you come to the decision that the Bible is correct and not the Koran?

do you have any evidence one way or the other? Or did you just choose the Bible over the Koran by flipping a coin?

If you have any evidence that one is correct, I'd like to hear it. THanks.

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: And I for one don't care who is a spin off of which, since I KNOW that we are all spin offs of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

:lol: I like that. Let's all strive to be chips off the ol' block.

The Cornerstone.

[Saracen]

In my opinion, saying which of the two sects is better is like saying which of Sunnite Islam and Shi'ite Islam is better. In other words, it's just a matter of opinion.

[psholtz]

gary the cheater wrote: suppose i'm dying and wimp out at the last second and want someone to bless me so i don't go to hell..what religion should i ask for?
Deathbed "conversions" are less than useless.. They are an expression of cowardice and of a desire to evade responsibility for acts you have committed during your life and w/ the Free Will that the Father bestowed upon you before you were born .. To even express a desire to evade the workings of Justice (i.e.,, Law) in this manner is itself a sin, and will be counted against you when your Soul is judged after passing into the hereafter..

If you desire to find the Kingdom of Heaven, you must begin your search here and now, while you are still "alive" and in the "flesh".. not 30 seconds before you shake off your mortal coil..

[Saracen]

Who here is a non-denominational Christian?

[psholtz]

John wrote: Quote: Catholic is the original. Protestanism is a spin-off.


Read the book of Acts.

Catholicism is a spin off....Protestantism is the protest against this "spin off" and call to return to the original roots.
Why is it so important to you, John?

[Deadlifta]

soldierofchrist wrote: John wrote: Quote: Catholic is the original. Protestanism is a spin-off.


Read the book of Acts.

Catholicism is a spin off....Protestantism is the protest against this "spin off" and call to return to the original roots.
Meh, we can debate this all day. Catholics think we're the first, you think you are, it's all subjective.

I say this with all humility, but you are both wrong. Orthodox Christianity is the original and unchanged church. Catholicism is something very different in many ways (not necessarily in practice all the time, but definitely in mentality). Protestantism is a protest against an altered church, however they "spun off" in a wrong direction and also practice a flawed doctrine.

[Deadlifta]

Gilbert1908 wrote: ieatfood wrote: Catholic is the original. Protestanism is a spin-off.

SO you have to ask yourself, would you rather watch Friends or Joey...
Would you rather drink Coca-cola classic or Coca-cola diet vanilla?

But if you wanna be safe, go with Catholic.
It matters very much whether you get blessed by a Catholic or Protestant priest.
It's OK if a protestant person attends a catholic mass. But if a catholic attends a protestant mass, then that doesn't count as going to mass. Also, you need to do the whole confession thing too. Otherwise, no heaven for you. The catholic god doesn't recognize protestants as being worthy of heaven. But the protestant god is a bit more tolerant of catholics. So be safe--go catholic.

Although, maybe the Muslims are the ones who are right. In that case, we're all screwed. I guess I'll see you guys in hell. :twisted:

The only thing accurate in your statement is that Catholics do not "count" attending a protestant service.

Other than that NOTHING else is true.

The sacrament of confession is part of the Catholic experience but NOT a requirement for salvation.

One can be of any faith and reach salvation, I have posted this several times in answer to this issue and just don't feel like doing so for the Nth time. I am sure my Protestant friends John and the Capn will recall.

The God all Christians worship is the same God, we as human beings over time have some theological difference which in the end amount to next to nothing. We share far more in common than we share differences and from a salvation stand point no differences that are significant.

I for one do not plan on attending your meeting, and John and I already have agreed that when we have our meeting there will be no concern about who had it "more" right.

Very well said Gilbert