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xsuite · Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 688 Location: The Colonies (USA)

hey ima christian who is curious. a few weeks ago i was watching the dailyshow w/ jon stewart and on that show jon stewart sayd "mohammed mo' problems" now how exactly do you worshipers of islam respond to thatkind of balsphemey? how come people arent protesting that yet they are protesting i little picture in a newspaper? please note i do not support that at all.
also can ayone tell me if christians, jews and muslims all worship the same god>eg God, allah, Jehovah, YHWH ?

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16431 Location: On Earth

xsuite wrote: hey ima christian who is curious. a few weeks ago i was watching the dailyshow w/ jon stewart and on that show jon stewart sayd "mohammed mo' problems" now how exactly do you worshipers of islam respond to thatkind of balsphemey? how come people arent protesting that yet they are protesting i little picture in a newspaper? please note i do not support that at all.
also can ayone tell me if christians, jews and muslims all worship the same god>eg God, allah, Jehovah, YHWH ?

For the first question, we couldn't care less about what people speak of our religion. It's their loss in the end.

For the second question, we do indeed worship the same God as the Christians and Jews.

Hope that helps. :)

xsuite · Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 688 Location: The Colonies (USA)

thank you.
id also like to know who mohamed is and his contributions.

sorry for all the questions but the only way to acheive tolerance and not be racsist is by educating yourself about other cultures or religions

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16431 Location: On Earth

I don't have time, but here is a good site to start off with.

xsuite · Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 688 Location: The Colonies (USA)

thank you very much

Glorfindel · Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Posts: 485 Location: AlRiyadh

xsuite wrote: hey ima christian who is curious. a few weeks ago i was watching the dailyshow w/ jon stewart and on that show jon stewart sayd "mohammed mo' problems" now how exactly do you worshipers of islam respond to thatkind of balsphemey? how come people arent protesting that yet they are protesting i little picture in a newspaper? please note i do not support that at all.
also can ayone tell me if christians, jews and muslims all worship the same god>eg God, allah, Jehovah, YHWH ?

first, I'm not sure I understand that joke. what is "mo'" supposed to mean? ... I'll answer you after you tell me what it meant

for the second question... Islam and Judaism and christianity all were ment to lead and teach humans to worship God... the same God ...the one God... but after the corruption and distortion that both christianity and judaism have gone through... the various perspectives of God would imply that muslims , christianity and judaism do not preach people to worship the same God...

for example... I, as a muslim , do not worship the God who would abandon his creatures or break a promise... and I do not worship the God who has a son ...

so the judaism or christianity perspective of God is very different from Islam's perspective...

thus, in fewer words, we muslims worship the same God that gave the original Torah ( the old testament) to Moses and the original bible to Jesus...but the modifications that changed the true teachings of Judaism and christianity oblige me to say that we don't worship the same God ... since our perspectives of him greatly differ. you understand what I am saying?

P.S: I know Jon Stewart and I don't expect him to show any respect to any religion but I am glad that his negative remarks made you curious to ask about Islam and it would be my pleasure to answer any of your questions. so dont hesitate to ask and i'll try to answer all your questions. it is very rare to see someone who would not trust the media's propagandas against Islam and would bother to ask and look for the truth himself.

peace

xsuite · Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 688 Location: The Colonies (USA)

mo' means more so it would be basically "mohammed, more problems". I dont know what is acclomplished from blasphemy and why Jon stewart would dare to disrespect a large majority of the world who are islamic. that is atrocious

HomoUniversalis · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: reply

xsuite wrote: mo' means more so it would be basically "mohammed, more problems". I dont know what is acclomplished from blasphemy and why Jon stewart would dare to disrespect a large majority of the world who are islamic. that is atrocious

I'm as some would call, a word-fetishist. Your choice of words here, that is, atrocious and disrespect, fall out of context. Atrocious describes a method of extremity. Saying a certain prophet makes for more problems is not extreme. In fact, one might say it is a nuanced statement. Unnuanced would be saying that all muslims are terrorists, or that muslims are a problem.
Disrespect? If anyone, he disrespects Muhammed here, not muslims. If I attack Noam Chomsky on his political ideology, by saying it will be the end of the world (ergo, making the same statement as Stewart would seem to make), I would by no means be disrespecting the following of Chomsky. Rather just, him and his ideology.

One need not disrespect another of that other to take offense at one's actions. If I were to present my left hand to an arab, I might offend him, even though it was not my intention to disrespect him. So too the intention of Stewart might have been to reflect upon the issues and problems that happen around the world, - not disrespect muslims.

Glorfindel wrote: it is very rare to see someone who would not trust the media's propagandas against Islam and would bother to ask and look for the truth himself.

I did the same, yet I doubt you would celebrate me as much ;)

Saracen wrote: For the first question, we couldn't care less about what people speak of our religion. It's their loss in the end.

Though arrogant, it is a response I think we can all live with.

Mr U

xsuite · Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 688 Location: The Colonies (USA)

sorry about that i cant really think of word that can explain what i am thinking. But it is Lowly for someone to deny and like a prophet of god to the turmoil that is currently occuring in the world. It is bad. lol

also i was thinking that if there was a religion that combined Islam/judaism/christianity would that be good?

secondly are the words Muslim and islam interchangable?

HomoUniversalis · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: correction

xsuite wrote: sorry about that i cant really think of word that can explain what i am thinking. But it is Lowly for someone to deny and like a prophet of god to the turmoil that is currently occuring in the world. It is bad. lol

Is it bad? Perhaps it is his method of giving meaning to events going on around the world that he can not explain, rather than bursting into anger and burning down places...

Though the pen is mightier than the sword, I'd rather be stabbed by the previous.

Quote: also i was thinking that if there was a religion that combined Islam/judaism/christianity would that be good?

Good? Define good. There are a lot of commongrounds between the three, and a lot of differences as well. What preference would you choose? I think it would be impossible, because every religion believes itself to be the true one, and as a result, will not compromise. I wouldn't, at least.

Quote: secondly are the words Muslim and islam interchangable?

Islam, meaning submisson, is used to describe the whole of religion that muslims practice. A muslim is a follower of islam. There are other definitions that speak more about the rituals about a muslim, and how he becomes an initiate, but I would not interchange them.
It is possible, to call someone an islamic follower, I presume, but it does not follow the preference of using the arabic terms.
Note that most muslims will not appreciate the usage of followers of muhammed, because they see the prophet as a man, not God. They follow God, not any of the prophets. Well, they also follow the divine teachings as seen in the behaviour of muhammed, but not actually the human muhammed. Hmm.. Just don't call them follower of muhammed :P

Mr U

xsuite · Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 688 Location: The Colonies (USA)

ok i wont lol

pharaoh · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:13 am Post subject:

Quote: Note that most muslims will not appreciate the usage of followers of muhammed, because they see the prophet as a man, not God. They follow God, not any of the prophets. Well, they also follow the divine teachings as seen in the behaviour of muhammed, but not actually the human muhammed. Hmm.. Just don't call them follower of muhammed

As a prophet it is logical that he knows best about his message. So when you want to apply correctly your religion you dont take for a teacher your son or your wife or your best friend, you take the prophet as a teacher.
Islam is the only religion from the big 4 (Christianity, Judaism, Budhism) that doesnt take its name after a man. There is a great meaning here.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16431 Location: On Earth

pharaoh wrote: Quote: Note that most muslims will not appreciate the usage of followers of muhammed, because they see the prophet as a man, not God. They follow God, not any of the prophets. Well, they also follow the divine teachings as seen in the behaviour of muhammed, but not actually the human muhammed. Hmm.. Just don't call them follower of muhammed

As a prophet it is logical that he knows best about his message. So when you want to apply correctly your religion you dont take for a teacher your son or your wife or your best friend, you take the prophet as a teacher.
Islam is the only religion from the big 4 (Christianity, Judaism, Budhism) that doesnt take its name after a man. There is a great meaning here.

Damn straight! :tu: I didn't catch this guy's comments until I saw your post, though. I was debating with him in another thread. Guess I got carried away.

HU wrote: Is it bad? Perhaps it is his method of giving meaning to events going on around the world that he can not explain, rather than bursting into anger and burning down places...

Are you lumping Muslims into one group like this? Because stereotyping is not a good argument. Just because a few of us, and I mean a few thousand out of 1.3+ billion, go crazy, does that damn the rest of us to their ridiculous mentatlity?

HU wrote: Good? Define good. There are a lot of commongrounds between the three, and a lot of differences as well. What preference would you choose? I think it would be impossible, because every religion believes itself to be the true one, and as a result, will not compromise. I wouldn't, at least.

I would consult the Bible, Torah and Koran and see what they all have in common regarding the basic tenets and principles of these religions, and see what they all have in common in defining what's good and what's bad. But of course, as you mentioned, "good" and "bad" are relativistic terms.

HomoUniversalis · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject:

Quote: Are you lumping Muslims into one group like this?

Am I? Who knows? It most certainly does not follow from the context of my post.

Quote: Just because a few of us, and I mean a few thousand out of 1.3+ billion, go crazy, does that damn the rest of us to their ridiculous mentatlity?

Presuming 1.3+ billion := '1.3 billion or more', where did you hear that ridiculous statistic? There is no good way to quantify faiths.

Ridiculous mentality? *sigh*
If there is - I'm not saying there is - a correlation between violence and islam, the statement 'muslims' are more violent then non-violent, is not a stereotype, but a statement one can support. It does not mean that a random muslim is more violent than a non-muslim, it speaks about a general. Whether or not the source of this lies in the actual teachings of islam, or poverty, et cetera is a whole different question. However, do not project these secondary questions with the primary statement.
Anyway, I'm not so much interested in proving a correlation between violence and muslims, as I believe both muslims and non-muslims are responsible for their own actions, whereas such a research would merely add up the various social influences, as the social sciences have a history in doing.

You might say, "I'm a muslim", but to me such information is irrelevant, I judge you on whether or not you ARE protesting by burning down buildings.
Do not toss me on the heap of people who foolishly judge islam. Rather, at the heap who has a nuanced view of the world, but looks at islam as something that might not - by definition - be beneficial to the west.

Mr U

ieatfood · Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 6505

i look at it this way
it is not correct that all muslims are more violent than non-muslims

but it is correct that Muslims take their religion a lot more seriously than christians. Islam is simply more "hardcore" than Christianity. There is a lot of evidence for this.

Becuase islam is more "hardcore," islamic extremists are also more violent than christian extremists. That is where the stereotype comes from. We tend a judge a religion by its more extreme members.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16431 Location: On Earth

ieatfood wrote: i look at it this way
it is not correct that all muslims are more violent than non-muslims

but it is correct that Muslims take their religion a lot more seriously than christians. Islam is simply more "hardcore" than Christianity. There is a lot of evidence for this.

Becuase islam is more "hardcore," islamic extremists are also more violent than christian extremists. That is where the stereotype comes from. We tend a judge a religion by its more extreme members.

You are correct, sir.

Locke25 · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 3636 Location: Georgia

ieatfood wrote: but it is correct that Muslims take their religion a lot more seriously than christians. Islam is simply more "hardcore" than Christianity. There is a lot of evidence for this.

Please share your evidence!

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16431 Location: On Earth

Locke25 wrote: ieatfood wrote: but it is correct that Muslims take their religion a lot more seriously than christians. Islam is simply more "hardcore" than Christianity. There is a lot of evidence for this.

Please share your evidence!

I didn't notice that part of his argument. :?

But yeah, I would like to see his evidence.

Dagger · Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Location: Vancouver BC

Evidence...

i Can provide that because i agree, Muslims are "more hardcore"

Muslims pray 5 times a day, although alto do not pray 5 times a day a high percentage of Muslims pray 5 times a day. Also muslims read the Quran, alot still pray before they eat. etc

Where as today many people claim to be Christian because they believe in Jesus and god,but don't go to church pray etc. they just believe.

I'm not sure if that helps, or is 100% correct, but thats how it makes sense to me.

Muslims are more scared of judgement day then are christians, where both do belive in heavan and hell.

All though i dont have the percentages, im sure both for muslim and christians, visits to mosques and churches have dropped. Although i think the christian pop. visits to church have decreased alot more than the muslims prayers.

Does that make sense, sorry i know there are alot of assumptions in this post, but im sure, most people will agree.

lowchen · Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 421

Dagger wrote: Evidence...

i Can provide that because i agree, Muslims are "more hardcore"

Muslims pray 5 times a day, although alto do not pray 5 times a day a high percentage of Muslims pray 5 times a day. Also muslims read the Quran, alot still pray before they eat. etc

Where as today many people claim to be Christian because they believe in Jesus and god,but don't go to church pray etc. they just believe.

I'm not sure if that helps, or is 100% correct, but thats how it makes sense to me.

Muslims are more scared of judgement day then are christians, where both do belive in heavan and hell.

All though i dont have the percentages, im sure both for muslim and christians, visits to mosques and churches have dropped. Although i think the christian pop. visits to church have decreased alot more than the muslims prayers.

Does that make sense, sorry i know there are alot of assumptions in this post, but im sure, most people will agree.

Muslims arent any more hardcore. what a crock of crap. Its just that some of thier leaders dont allow discourse and thus, there is less enlightened people who follow Islam as oppossed to Christianity.