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[nrhy]

What makes us different? Apparently, no matter how much we object to this fact, we will always surrender ourselves to the "never disapproved" paradigm: "We live to be victims of society"...of course many of you will object to the quote, many whom may be anarchists(I think), contradicting this paradigm, by displaying their alliance to the destruction of all governments, making them in some ways unique, or perhaps "different".

My question is whether any of you have any ideas of what may be a revolutionary paradigm that can replace the current theory... :-|

A word of caution; society is the community in which every person contributes the slightest result of his or her actions, which is controlled by the government. Men like Gandhi, Hitler, Freud, Einstein and so on... all lived to provide society with more knowledge of unexplored areas in politics, psychology, ethics and math(and so on)...

This is more of a theory of knowledge type of question like "how do you know what you know?"
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Note: this has been disapproved

[The Ferryman]

Knowledge is a very cellular thing, dude!

[nrhy]

never said it was easy: /

but yeah, i guess people dont explore that realm as frequently as i thought

[The Ferryman]

I once read a really far out book that knowledge was really cellular. It held the theory that each individual is sort of like a historical hologram of that's encoded in our cells.
For example, you can take one cell from an apple and recreate that apple in whole.
The book contended that you could potentially recreate Hitler and his knowledge if you had lived during Hitler's time and breathed the same air as Hitler, (or Ghandi, or Darwin, etc.), as cells are transferred through air.
It was very exotic stuff.
You did request something completely different, didn't you?

[nrhy]

yes, and i think your the closest one,considering your the only replier, and everyone else doesn´t have anything to say...

One question though, you are talking about cloning, no? because the extraction of one cell, and its formation into a whole new organism is basically the concept of biology...(?)

I was reading extracts from Freud, and other scientists, and found out that the only way of being different from a society, is by establishing a new "race", an "emotionless race", where they would depend on instincts for means of survival, learn to live longer than any other human being (proved: emotions are the flaws of young deaths), and be able to devise a new manner of thinking(used in Plato and Aristotle´s), which would have the power of pointing out every flaw in society...It is a theory, yet to be proven of course...

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[Robin Hood]

Free will and reason. Have you ever had the feeling of really wanting to do something especially something bad? Perhaps when you're really angry you want to punch someone who's done nothing wrong? This is an example of what we might term 'an instinct' (I'd term a whim); however most people will consider their feeling and reject it based on a reasoned outcome. THis is what humans can do, and what makes us 'special', it is also what allows us to build seeminglymiraculous things like computers, the internet, and cancer treatments.

There is a television presenter/magician/mind game artist or something called Derren Brown (in the UK). He, through underhand methods, influenced a group of people (chosen because they were literally weak-willed) to walk past an armoured vehicle (a random one for picking up money from banks) and try to rob it. He made them do it on a whim. One of the four, however, obviously less weak-willed said that he had the strong feeling of wanting to rob the vehicle but instead stopped - thought about it - and laughed.

He exercised free will and reason whilst the others didn't. He acted in a mroally sound manner, whilst the others acted literally like animals.

[Rozzlapeed]

I think the last post is right on. The key is the strength of a person's will. A person's will is complete separate from knowledge. Our knowledge is our ability to recognize possibilities that exist beyond the limits of personal experience. It is a tool that magnifies the potential of the will. But it can not replace the will.

My definition of it is that a 'will' is the ability to observe a reality before the steps necessary to bring it to fruition have been completed. In other words, it is living your life by moving between a series of personally-desired outcomes, and investigating the paths that you must follow in order to get from one to the next, rather than living by following signposts that say "This way is better than that way."

A stronger will allows someone to focus on realizing more difficult or longer-term outcomes.

Knowledge can make the process of choosing the right path easier and faster, because it can reduce the number of paths that we have to investigate, in order to make a decision. On the other hand, knowledge is often imperfect, and relying upon it can often lead us to make mistakes in judgement.

What makes us different is not our knowledge, which is contributed to by many sources, but our willpower, which we develop on our own.

The "current theory" that we live for the approval of society, is flawed. In this day and age, the reason so many people are content to live as conformists, is that we are given knowledge at such an early age, that we already have the tools to live a contented life without having to exercise our wills. Common knowledge would say that life in general becomes easier when we earn approval from our society. And that those who are looking for an easy life are logically going to seek that approval. But as someone who has greater and more specific goals to achieve in my life, I will also, logically, seek the approval of the establishment in order to further my own ends. But that doesn't mean I live for society's approval.

The only people who claim that everybody else lives for society's approval are the ones for whom that is their only motivation. This is because they are incapable of recognizing the difference between a goal and a path.

[nrhy]

very interesting, but knowing that you have the right to do whatever you want say and so on...as a citizen, you still need to pay taxes, and if not, you will be penalized...free will is included in the process, yet you are always limited to provide some sort of thread to society...making us still attached to it.

In my opinion I believe that, as long as government exists, there will be 2 different classes...those above and those below the laws of humanity. (note: im not praising anarchist beliefs...just making a point)