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[mathurin]

actually it would mean he has applied a blanket ideology to everything and will not consider things outside of it, i mostly discount these people out of hand

an example would be a war protestor, who doesnt give a crap about which war but protests because they dislike war in general


this kind of persons eyes will never be open to any kind of opposing influence, though its fun to tear apart the half facts they hand, please start up another thread about milk or beef cattle and i will show you what i mean, i whupped AD on the milk cow thing

[Kindred]

mathurin wrote: actually it would mean he has applied a blanket ideology to everything and will not consider things outside of it, i mostly discount these people out of hand

an example would be a war protestor, who doesnt give a crap about which war but protests because they dislike war in general


this kind of persons eyes will never be open to any kind of opposing influence, though its fun to tear apart the half facts they hand, please start up another thread about milk or beef cattle and i will show you what i mean, i whupped AD on the milk cow thing

Actually, for your information, I didn't conclude a single thing about the ethics of the situation- that was not the point.

Milk cow thing? I can't even remember that, but I assume I was right.... :-D

[anselfir]

of course.

but it is hopeless to find a justifiable objective structure to deal with these sort of things. the best arrangement is stil the steward one.

[Wolverine]

Seapearl wrote:
Well, yes they are, you can develop some kind of relation or communication that with other farm animals is impossible. To tell you the truth I would never eat horse as I don't eat rabbits, ducks, dogs and cats.....I would never eat my pet......
For sure, I don't understand this new found trend eating horses and making their skin carpets and trendy bags.....Is this some kind of fashion? Is it that people starve and have to resort to horse meat in order to feed their hunger.....
I had a duck that knew its name, and we have a few extremely friendly chickens. You can can them for hours and they are fine with that. Even the geese come by thier name.
So I guess your post isn't entierly accurate. I guess I will await another reason way horses are different from other farm animals.

I wouldn't eat my pets either, but I don't care if people eat thiers.

A.D wrote:

Oh, I know more about this topic than anyone else IN THE WORLD!

That is to say, I recently finished a 28,000 word thesis on the subject (and have since been working on a paper for publication) and I never want to talk about it again :lol:
uh..... wow...... *quivers in fear wondering what side of the fence AD is on....*

[eynon]

aren't pigs smarter then horses? :-|

[Canada_Rocks]

Eynon81 wrote: aren't pigs smarter then horses? :-|

Pigs are definately smarter then Ten Kennedy. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

But as for your question, I don't know. I do know that pigs are pretty smart though.

[mathurin]

A.D wrote: mathurin wrote: actually it would mean he has applied a blanket ideology to everything and will not consider things outside of it, i mostly discount these people out of hand

an example would be a war protestor, who doesnt give a crap about which war but protests because they dislike war in general


this kind of persons eyes will never be open to any kind of opposing influence, though its fun to tear apart the half facts they hand, please start up another thread about milk or beef cattle and i will show you what i mean, i whupped AD on the milk cow thing

Actually, for your information, I didn't conclude a single thing about the ethics of the situation- that was not the point.

Milk cow thing? I can't even remember that, but I assume I was right.... :-D
but of course hypothetically if that was the point we know what you would conclude

the milk thing was here
http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27458&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60
i totally trashed your points, you said you would be back and never came back, i even bumped it for you

[Canada_Rocks]

When? When you brought up your family farm to compare it to atrocities at factory farms or when you spinned the fact that carcinogenic hormones cause cancer?

Seriosly. I didnt see any "trashing".

[mathurin]

then revive that thread

and as i said in that thread, the common element is the cow, it does not change, so the comparison is sound, but i really do want to get back into that discussion if you are willing

[Canada_Rocks]

mathurin wrote: then revive that thread

and as i said in that thread, the common element is the cow, it does not change, so the comparison is sound, but i really do want to get back into that discussion if you are willing

The point is the abuse that the cow recieves. The cow is the constant but the abuse is the variable. This is why you can't compare your farm to a factory farm becasue the amount of abuse that happens at each is different. It is really obvious to me.

[Canada_Rocks]

Quote: but i really do want to get back into that discussion if you are willing

A BTW, if you declare what went on in that thread as "you trashing AD's points"...I really do not want to have that discusion with oyou becasue you failed to miss a very obvious point and you declared a false victory. Both traits are not well recieved by me.

If you wish to admit that living conditions and the abuse factor are different at your farm and factory farms that is different, but then of course your whole argument would be shot to hell which would suggest reasons why you are refusing to admit that point.

[Canadian_Patriot]

Then shoot the arguement to hell.

Farming creates jobs and people who work those jobs would probably beat the s**t out of any PETA member who cries animal rights to them.

They are stupid f***ing animals and you animal rights people are in a canoe with one paddle and a slow leak. Soon PETA will tank i am sure and when it does HA HA! :twisted:

[Canada_Rocks]

Canadian_Patriot wrote: Then shoot the arguement to hell.

Farming creates jobs and people who work those jobs would probably beat the s**t out of any PETA member who cries animal rights to them.

They are stupid f***ing animals and you animal rights people are in a canoe with one paddle and a slow leak. Soon PETA will tank i am sure and when it does HA HA! :twisted:

:roll:

Obviously an angry victom of the Manitoba farming recession

[anselfir]

I don't think AD got anywhere with his thesis.

[Kindred]

oneofthem wrote: I don't think AD got anywhere with his thesis.

Well, not yet (except a first class honours degree and a Ph.D scholarship...)...

[anselfir]

so?
:lol:

[mathurin]

Gogo Yubari wrote: mathurin wrote: then revive that thread

and as i said in that thread, the common element is the cow, it does not change, so the comparison is sound, but i really do want to get back into that discussion if you are willing

The point is the abuse that the cow recieves. The cow is the constant but the abuse is the variable. This is why you can't compare your farm to a factory farm becasue the amount of abuse that happens at each is different. It is really obvious to me.

Gogo Yubari wrote:
A BTW, if you declare what went on in that thread as "you trashing AD's points"...I really do not want to have that discusion with oyou becasue you failed to miss a very obvious point and you declared a false victory. Both traits are not well recieved by me.

If you wish to admit that living conditions and the abuse factor are different at your farm and factory farms that is different, but then of course your whole argument would be shot to hell which would suggest reasons why you are refusing to admit that point.

very well, if you dont want to continue this in the proper thread we can continue it here

as i explained to AD, the farm might be different but th cow is not, even growth hormones wont change the cow that much, therefore the treatment cannot differ much either, therefore the differences between factory and family milk farms cannot be great

what people cannot understand is that milk cattle must be treated properly or they dry up, they are the happiest healthiest and longest lived of all cattle, excepting pets

i did trash his points, because his points were written by people with no knowledge of the industry, and while i do not live on such a farm my mother did, and there are several dairy farms in this area, please show some evidence of cruelty, then we will talk

[Pzatchok]

Dairy cows need to be kept far cleaner and in as clean an evironment as possible.

People like to see white milk not brown.

A few hundred bucks spent cleaning the cows and the barns saves thousands in milking machine repairs.

[Canada_Rocks]

mathurin wrote: Gogo Yubari wrote: mathurin wrote: then revive that thread

and as i said in that thread, the common element is the cow, it does not change, so the comparison is sound, but i really do want to get back into that discussion if you are willing

The point is the abuse that the cow recieves. The cow is the constant but the abuse is the variable. This is why you can't compare your farm to a factory farm becasue the amount of abuse that happens at each is different. It is really obvious to me.

Gogo Yubari wrote:
A BTW, if you declare what went on in that thread as "you trashing AD's points"...I really do not want to have that discusion with oyou becasue you failed to miss a very obvious point and you declared a false victory. Both traits are not well recieved by me.

If you wish to admit that living conditions and the abuse factor are different at your farm and factory farms that is different, but then of course your whole argument would be shot to hell which would suggest reasons why you are refusing to admit that point.

very well, if you dont want to continue this in the proper thread we can continue it here

as i explained to AD, the farm might be different but th cow is not, even growth hormones wont change the cow that much, therefore the treatment cannot differ much either, therefore the differences between factory and family milk farms cannot be great

what people cannot understand is that milk cattle must be treated properly or they dry up, they are the happiest healthiest and longest lived of all cattle, excepting pets

i did trash his points, because his points were written by people with no knowledge of the industry, and while i do not live on such a farm my mother did, and there are several dairy farms in this area, please show some evidence of cruelty, then we will talk

You can't possibly think that becasue your mother lived on a family farm that your opinions are more valid then ADs about factory farming. That is ridiculous.

Here's your evidence.

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=meet_your_meat&Player=wm&speed=_med

You will have to sit through it. There is not way to fast forward.

This is really getting tiresome. You should come prepared into a debate before throwing your ego around acting like you know it all.

[mathurin]

ill try to watch it, but i am on dialup so it not work

why do i think my information is better than ADs?
because his comes from a group that is all about banning the practice, and my information comes from someone who lived the life, knows the cattle

translation, his sources were fed to him, mine comes from the experiences of myself and others with milk and beef cattle

did i forget to mention my grandpa also ran a dairy, i can recall how large but ill ask and let you know, it was a good sized dairy for its time if i recall

about the only thing i object to is the hormones, but even those dont bother me as much as PETA faking facts, or at the very least exagerating them far beyond the scope of a fact