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[Wolverine]

Quote: WASHINGTON — A coalition of animal rights groups and people who live near the nation's three horse slaughter plants sued Tuesday to prevent the Agriculture Department from providing horse meat inspections for a fee.

The groups alleged that USDA's plans to provide the inspections next month violates a law passed as part of the 2006 agriculture spending bill signed by President Bush.

In that legislation, Congress cut funding for salaries and expenses of horse meat inspectors.

The plants have contended the law will cost jobs and economic benefits. The plants slaughter horses for the meat, which is consumed in Europe and Asia and used in some zoos.

Two of the plants are in Texas — Fort Worth-based Beltex Corp. and Dallas Crown Inc., based in Kaufman. The third plant, Cavel International Inc. is based in DeKalb, Ill.

The House and Senate voted overwhelmingly last year for the provision cutting off money for the horse meat inspectors. The measure was a crafted by its sponsors as a way to end horse slaughter, after other efforts to pass outright bans had failed in previous years.

Wayne Pacelle, president of the Humane Society of the United States, said USDA is subverting the law to appease the horse slaughter industry.
"Americans want horses treated with dignity and respect, not served up on a plate in Belgium or France. The U.S. Department of Agriculture is rewriting the rules as if the views of the Congress and the American people don't even exist," Pacelle said in a statement.

A USDA spokesman could not be immediately reached for comment.

Along with the Humane Society of the United States, plaintiffs in the suit filed in federal court in Washington are the Animal Welfare Institute, The Fund for Animals, Society for Animal Protective Legislation, Doris Day Animal League, the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, and American Humane Association.

The groups said citizens affected by reduced property values, smell from the plant and "horses' cries as they enter the kill chute," also are plaintiffs. Their names were not immediately available.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184863,00.html

Well? Should people be allowed to eat horses?

I vote yes, it's an animal, like any other, people just have an emotional attachment to them. So they is no real reason for it to be illegal.

If a horse is not a persons property, they have no right to dictate what happens to the animal. If its that important to save an animals life, then they should just buy the horse from whomever is going to butcher the horse for profit and/or food.

[Korimyr the Rat]

Voted Maybe. Horses may be property, but like all other animals, they're a specific kind of property that doesn't include unlimited property rights.

I don't have a problem with butchering horses for food or leather, but like other livestock, I think there should be professional and regulatory standards that govern how it is done.

Yeah, they're work animals too, and a lot of people have special attachments to them-- but that isn't much different from dogs.

[John Galt]

They are dog food and jello.

[Canada_Rocks]

ProGunAmerican wrote: Quote: WASHINGTON — A coalition of animal rights groups and people who live near the nation's three horse slaughter plants sued Tuesday to prevent the Agriculture Department from providing horse meat inspections for a fee.

The groups alleged that USDA's plans to provide the inspections next month violates a law passed as part of the 2006 agriculture spending bill signed by President Bush.

In that legislation, Congress cut funding for salaries and expenses of horse meat inspectors.

The plants have contended the law will cost jobs and economic benefits. The plants slaughter horses for the meat, which is consumed in Europe and Asia and used in some zoos.

Two of the plants are in Texas — Fort Worth-based Beltex Corp. and Dallas Crown Inc., based in Kaufman. The third plant, Cavel International Inc. is based in DeKalb, Ill.

The House and Senate voted overwhelmingly last year for the provision cutting off money for the horse meat inspectors. The measure was a crafted by its sponsors as a way to end horse slaughter, after other efforts to pass outright bans had failed in previous years.

Wayne Pacelle, president of the Humane Society of the United States, said USDA is subverting the law to appease the horse slaughter industry.
"Americans want horses treated with dignity and respect, not served up on a plate in Belgium or France. The U.S. Department of Agriculture is rewriting the rules as if the views of the Congress and the American people don't even exist," Pacelle said in a statement.

A USDA spokesman could not be immediately reached for comment.

Along with the Humane Society of the United States, plaintiffs in the suit filed in federal court in Washington are the Animal Welfare Institute, The Fund for Animals, Society for Animal Protective Legislation, Doris Day Animal League, the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, and American Humane Association.

The groups said citizens affected by reduced property values, smell from the plant and "horses' cries as they enter the kill chute," also are plaintiffs. Their names were not immediately available.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184863,00.html

Well? Should people be allowed to eat horses?

I vote yes, it's an animal, like any other, people just have an emotional attachment to them. So they is no real reason for it to be illegal.

If a horse is not a persons property, they have no right to dictate what happens to the animal. If its that important to save an animals life, then they should just buy the horse from whomever is going to butcher the horse for profit and/or food.

Hourses aren't personal property, but that doesn't mean they should be slaughtered...maybe to a lerbertarian it does..but that's why libertarian is just an ideology...just like fascism and tree huggin'.

[Seapearl]

OH GOD :!oops: :!oops: :!oops:

Since I was a baby, I have adored horses...they're magnificent creatures but have suffered a lot from men :evil: :evil: So, I'm quite clear when it comes to this matter, those who slaughter horses are criminals.

[Stygma]

John Galt wrote: They are dog food and jello.

What about glue?

Seapearl wrote: Since I was a baby, I have adored horses...they're magnificent creatures but have suffered a lot from men :evil: :evil: So, I'm quite clear when it comes to this matter, those who slaughter horses are criminals.

Of course, you only care because you like horses. If you liked pigs, or cows, would you want people who slaughter them to be considered criminals? Of course not. Don't be ridiculous, horses are no better than cows or pigs, and are far below humans.

[Wolverine]

Seapearl wrote: OH GOD :!oops: :!oops: :!oops:

Since I was a baby, I have adored horses...they're magnificent creatures but have suffered a lot from men :evil: :evil: So, I'm quite clear when it comes to this matter, those who slaughter horses are criminals.
I don't suppose you can come up with a argument that some how horses are different from other farm animals?

[mathurin]

hmm, i had horse once, i think

a native kazakh dish called bish-per-mak (i think, i never saw it spelled) had some kind of folded noodles and meat piled on top, they told me it had horse and beef in it, i had some meat but i would be lying if i told you i knew which was which

[Seapearl]

Wolverine wrote: Seapearl wrote: OH GOD :!oops: :!oops: :!oops:

Since I was a baby, I have adored horses...they're magnificent creatures but have suffered a lot from men :evil: :evil: So, I'm quite clear when it comes to this matter, those who slaughter horses are criminals.
I don't suppose you can come up with a argument that some how horses are different from other farm animals?

Well, yes they are, you can develop some kind of relation or communication that with other farm animals is impossible. To tell you the truth I would never eat horse as I don't eat rabbits, ducks, dogs and cats.....I would never eat my pet......
For sure, I don't understand this new found trend eating horses and making their skin carpets and trendy bags.....Is this some kind of fashion? Is it that people starve and have to resort to horse meat in order to feed their hunger.....

[Seapearl]

mathurin wrote: hmm, i had horse once, i think

a native kazakh dish called bish-per-mak (i think, i never saw it spelled) had some kind of folded noodles and meat piled on top, they told me it had horse and beef in it, i had some meat but i would be lying if i told you i knew which was which

How come? Did you really like it?

[mathurin]

Seapearl wrote: mathurin wrote: hmm, i had horse once, i think

a native kazakh dish called bish-per-mak (i think, i never saw it spelled) had some kind of folded noodles and meat piled on top, they told me it had horse and beef in it, i had some meat but i would be lying if i told you i knew which was which

How come? Did you really like it?

chalk it up to cultural experience
tasted like very lightly seasoned meat, i still dont know what meat i got for sure

[Pzatchok]

I do beleive that the enlightend and advanced nation of France now imports horse flesh from the US for sale in markets.


My aunt had a trained bull. It would come when you called its name and you could ride it almost like a horse.
It tasted good.

[Kindred]

Wolverine wrote: Quote: WASHINGTON — A coalition of animal rights groups and people who live near the nation's three horse slaughter plants sued Tuesday to prevent the Agriculture Department from providing horse meat inspections for a fee.

The groups alleged that USDA's plans to provide the inspections next month violates a law passed as part of the 2006 agriculture spending bill signed by President Bush.

In that legislation, Congress cut funding for salaries and expenses of horse meat inspectors.

The plants have contended the law will cost jobs and economic benefits. The plants slaughter horses for the meat, which is consumed in Europe and Asia and used in some zoos.

Two of the plants are in Texas — Fort Worth-based Beltex Corp. and Dallas Crown Inc., based in Kaufman. The third plant, Cavel International Inc. is based in DeKalb, Ill.

The House and Senate voted overwhelmingly last year for the provision cutting off money for the horse meat inspectors. The measure was a crafted by its sponsors as a way to end horse slaughter, after other efforts to pass outright bans had failed in previous years.

Wayne Pacelle, president of the Humane Society of the United States, said USDA is subverting the law to appease the horse slaughter industry.
"Americans want horses treated with dignity and respect, not served up on a plate in Belgium or France. The U.S. Department of Agriculture is rewriting the rules as if the views of the Congress and the American people don't even exist," Pacelle said in a statement.

A USDA spokesman could not be immediately reached for comment.

Along with the Humane Society of the United States, plaintiffs in the suit filed in federal court in Washington are the Animal Welfare Institute, The Fund for Animals, Society for Animal Protective Legislation, Doris Day Animal League, the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, and American Humane Association.

The groups said citizens affected by reduced property values, smell from the plant and "horses' cries as they enter the kill chute," also are plaintiffs. Their names were not immediately available.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184863,00.html

Well? Should people be allowed to eat horses?

I vote yes, it's an animal, like any other, people just have an emotional attachment to them. So they is no real reason for it to be illegal.



Oh, I know more about this topic than anyone else IN THE WORLD!

That is to say, I recently finished a 28,000 word thesis on the subject (and have since been working on a paper for publication) and I never want to talk about it again :lol:

[Canada_Rocks]

You wrote a thesis on eating horses?

[Pzatchok]

Can you guess which side and angle A.D. took?

I respect his view point but its just not mine. Or the majorities either.

[Canada_Rocks]

If you are against eating horses then you should be against eating any animal. I do however think that these "should you eat whales" and "should you eat horses" threads are immature discusions created to mock vegans.

[Pzatchok]

possibly they are.


But my idea is If I can catch it and it doesn't kill me then at some point it might just be food for me. Animal, Insect or plant. I make no distinction when it comes to starvation.

If someone wants to eat it then they can.

[Canada_Rocks]

Pzatchok wrote: possibly they are.


But my idea is If I can catch it and it doesn't kill me then at some point it might just be food for me. Animal, Insect or plant. I make no distinction when it comes to starvation.

If someone wants to eat it then they can.

Well that's your decision. I am not somebody that will argue the moral card. I only get involved when somebody is attacking animal rights people and vegans because they feel like it.

[mathurin]

ADs a veghead im sure you know, so we all know what he concluded

[Canada_Rocks]

Well if he is a vegan then he is being consistant.