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anselfir · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 22919 Location: ZzZzZzZz

UrielsFyre wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: Korimyr the Rat wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: Negligence is a BAD idea to use in conjunction with miscarriage.

I agree. That is why I can not agree with the idea that deliberate surgical abortion is immoral or that it should be illegal.

It's logically inconsistent to say that one method of killing a baby is morally better than another-- especially if it involves a greater possibility of inflicting pain or, worse, a greater possibility that the child will survive but be permanently deformed.

I am never saying that one "method of abortion" is moral.. I am stating that a fetus does not have an entitlement to live, even with abortion being illegal in the future.

I am asking people to take the blinders off and think outside the box, just once.

So, if the fetus doesn't have an entitlement to live, why outlaw abortion? Because it is wrong to kill it. Are you entitled to your house? What happens if a fire destroys it? Are you entitled to be paid back? What if someone burns it down, is that wrong?

-_-;;

anselfir · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 22919 Location: ZzZzZzZz

Sailor Moon wrote: oneofthem wrote: We dont charge people for accidents, to a certain degree. This applies to all situations dealing with human interactions, and may require a better framing of fetal entitlements.

And please don't use the word oppressive, use right and wrong.

I cant tell you whats right and wrong, but I can tell you what would feel oppressive to me as a woman.. Youre not a woman, and you will never have to worry about being restrained from living a normal life due to pregnancy law, so dont tell me how to word my responses, thank you. Oppressive is an emotionally charged word. Sowhat if you feel you are oppressed? if your oppression is wrong it is wrong, fi it si right it is right. The mere feeling of it being oppressive(an unilateral judgement at that) is not enough to justify anything.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

oneofthem wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: oneofthem wrote: We dont charge people for accidents, to a certain degree. This applies to all situations dealing with human interactions, and may require a better framing of fetal entitlements.

And please don't use the word oppressive, use right and wrong.

I cant tell you whats right and wrong, but I can tell you what would feel oppressive to me as a woman.. Youre not a woman, and you will never have to worry about being restrained from living a normal life due to pregnancy law, so dont tell me how to word my responses, thank you. Oppressive is an emotionally charged word. Sowhat if you feel you are oppressed? if your oppression is wrong it is wrong, fi it si right it is right. The mere feeling of it being obsessive(an unilateral judgement at that) is not enough to justify anything.

Oppression isnt a fact, it IS a feeling.. whether you wish to decide my feelings are right or wrong, is your choice...

However, although it is merely a feeling, the fact that remains, is that a general feeling of oppression against women is common among people in general.. why else would we have/ or what else would you call it, when there are affirmative action committees and sexual harassment lawsuits all the time, and Domestic Violence advocates all over the place, among so many other things...

Also, did you mean to type opressive, rather than obsessive? I'm sure you did, but I figured I might as well ask..

I really dont understand why youre even bickering with every post I make.. seems a little petty if you ask me, esp. when we pretty much are in agreement with the basis of the thread being a well worded law that protects women against accidents, and miscarriages when abortion becomes illegal again.. I see no reason to bicker about opinions, and it seems counterproductive, so lets not do it, k? :-D

anselfir · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 22919 Location: ZzZzZzZz

I'm not deciding or even commenting on your feeling.

eh, meh

Hecatomb · Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 46

Hey now guys, let's not argue, we got real villains to be bashing..

Avengers Assemble!

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

:lol:

anselfir · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 22919 Location: ZzZzZzZz

w.t.f. nvm

The Grandmaster · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject:

Oneofthem....what does this mean?

-_-;;

We were about to get into an argument the other day, and you asked me something, a shift of the burdon of proof, and I told you the onus was on you to verify your position, not for me to verify the opposite, and you responded with that sign thing up there. But I do not know what that thing means. I even put it in yahoo and yahoo was like.."Buh...what the hell is this?"

Also, I never thought I'd see the day Sailor and oneofthem argued. Just...for some reason, never thought I'd see it. Two people who never cross paths I guess. Interesting.

anselfir · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 22919 Location: ZzZzZzZz

It is so fking obvious what you were missing. so -_-;;

The Grandmaster · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject:

oneofthem wrote: It is so fking obvious what you were missing. so -_-;;

Jesus, that was fast! I'll give you that!

I'm sorry though, I still don't understand what you mean. Your style of typing is often imcomprehensible to most members of the forum. Do you mean that that sign means literally “It is so fking obvious what you were missing” If so, then you sort of lost the debate the other day by abandonment anyway, as that wasn’t a rebuttal to what I said.

If that's not what that sign means, then what does it mean?

anselfir · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 22919 Location: ZzZzZzZz

If you didn't figure out what you did wrong with that argument, I'm not bothering helping you. Like roflmao you won that argument.

The Grandmaster · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject:

oneofthem wrote: If you didn't figure out what you did wrong with that argument, I'm not bothering helping you. Like roflmao you won that argument.

That’s a slick way to bow out, I like it. In the absence of a response, claim your opponent is wrong and run away. However, you’ll understand that I’m not convinced simply because you say this is so. It wasn’t so much a victory for me as you simply gave up. Perhaps someday, you’ll understand more about informal logic, and realize your error.

anselfir · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 22919 Location: ZzZzZzZz

I have already responded. It's one sentence, and it is enough. As for you, stop with teh bulls**t already and think.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Whaaaa? TGM1- What part of the discussion were you even continuing? Much less winning?

YOU bowed out.. not him... Dude you just love to jump in and without arguing ANY point, just claim victory or something?

WTF?? -_-;; I dont even know WTF that crap means.. -_-;; ...but WHATEVA'

I win. :lol:

nighty nite.

The Grandmaster · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject:

oneofthem wrote: I have already responded. It's one sentence, and it is enough. As for you, stop with teh bulls**t already and think.

Oh, you mean this?

oneofthem wrote: you'd think it impossible to avoid making a statement on the rights and therefore the identity of the embryo/fetus when it is directly involved in this thingy, eh? -_-

Very well onofthem, demonstrate for me it is a life then. Demonstrate their is a scientific consensus that a human being begins at conception.

Sorry I missed it...I'm just used to responding to posts writting in proper English, instead of a disjointed nightmare.

Sailor Moon wrote: Whaaaa? TGM1- What part of the discussion were you even continuing? Much less winning?

YOU bowed out.. not him... Dude you just love to jump in and without arguing ANY point, just claim victory or something?

WTF?? -_-;; I dont even know WTF that crap means.. -_-;; ...but WHATEVA'

I win. :lol:

nighty nite.

Hey there. You simmer down over there. Besides. I thought you dissapeared on one of the other threads.

anselfir · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 22919 Location: ZzZzZzZz

No need. The point was already won. You yourself acknowledged the need to assess its identity before coming ot a legitimate conclusion.

The Grandmaster · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject:

oneofthem wrote: No need.

So you are unable to carry your burdon of proof? This isn't looking good for you Mr. Smithers.

Edit...Oh...you added to the post. Hold on then, let me respond to the rest of it.

anselfir · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 22919 Location: ZzZzZzZz

It's not a f***ing courtcase. It's ethics. Duh.

The Grandmaster · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:39 pm Post subject:

oneofthem wrote: No need. The point was already won. You yourself acknowledged the need to assess its identity before coming ot a legitimate conclusion.

Exactly. So assess it's identity why don't you, so that we can verify it has rights, for something without rights surely cannot supercede the rights of the mother.

anselfir · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 22919 Location: ZzZzZzZz

Why don't YOU? If you can't even see your own argument then what are you doing?

I'm not going to explain this in detail, figure it out yourself.

Clue, check your assumption.