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[Hecatomb]

It's not quite human yet as alot of pro-choice advocates like to point out, but it still thinks and feels, so I'd classfefy it as animal abuse. And yes, no matter how you look at it it's murder because you're ending a life that wasn't in self-defence..

We have more laws protecting a dog's pups then we do human-children.. it's absurb..

And I for one, can honostly say i'm no "hypocrite", as I actively try my best not even to kill insects, who invade my personal space and can become a real pest to my household and possibly my hygene.. but I try to encourage them to not come in by natural means and normaly just put them in a jar or something and throw them outside..

I think this is why most pro-choice and "those types" in general don't have pets and children very often. Animals and kids can sense that sortof thing..

[Selfish_Meme]

Hecatomb wrote: It's not quite human yet as alot of pro-choice advocates like to point out, but it still thinks and feels, so I'd classfefy it as animal abuse. And yes, no matter how you look at it it's murder because you're ending a life that wasn't in self-defence..

We have more laws protecting a dog's pups then we do human-children.. it's absurb..

And I for one, can honostly say i'm no "hypocrite", as I actively try my best not even to kill insects, who invade my personal space and can become a real pest to my household and possibly my hygene.. but I try to encourage them to not come in by natural means and normaly just put them in a jar or something and throw them outside..

I think this is why most pro-choice and "those types" in general don't have pets and children very often. Animals and kids can sense that sortof thing..
Bless me I'm not sure where to start in that disgorgement of half digested pap.

[Sailor Moon]

Selfish_Meme wrote: Hecatomb wrote: It's not quite human yet as alot of pro-choice advocates like to point out, but it still thinks and feels, so I'd classfefy it as animal abuse. And yes, no matter how you look at it it's murder because you're ending a life that wasn't in self-defence..

We have more laws protecting a dog's pups then we do human-children.. it's absurb..

And I for one, can honostly say i'm no "hypocrite", as I actively try my best not even to kill insects, who invade my personal space and can become a real pest to my household and possibly my hygene.. but I try to encourage them to not come in by natural means and normaly just put them in a jar or something and throw them outside..

I think this is why most pro-choice and "those types" in general don't have pets and children very often. Animals and kids can sense that sortof thing..
Bless me I'm not sure where to start in that disgorgement of half digested pap.

U have kids and pets, then?

[Selfish_Meme]

Have had pets, and probably will have more when I have finished travelling and settle down. Am married and want to have kids, again when we are settled.

[Hecatomb]

Well then, untill you "settle down" I'm proven right aren't I?

This isn't about probability, it's about reality, get with the program..

[Selfish_Meme]

Hecatomb wrote: Well then, untill you "settle down" I'm proven right aren't I?

This isn't about probability, it's about reality, get with the program..
Not really, your conjecture is untested as yet. So you can't be right as their is no evidence either way. One is not a valid sample size. At the moment it is just your opinion.

[Hecatomb]

There you go again, my-my, how you people LOVE to play that opinion-card whenever you're proven wrong. Do you sleep with it at night? :roll:

I suppose the holocaust was just an opinion too right?

I know you don't believe in God, and there's no valid evidence to prove for or against Him, but, you spew your crap about how untill He's proven to exsist, it's logicaly more acceptable to disprove Him.

Well, the same applies to you. Life s*cks kiddo, get use to it.

[Selfish_Meme]

Hecatomb wrote: There you go again, my-my, how you people LOVE to play that opinion-card whenever you're proven wrong. Do you sleep with it at night? :roll:

I suppose the holocaust was just an opinion too right?

I know you don't believe in God, and there's no valid evidence to prove for or against Him, but, you spew your crap about how untill He's proven to exsist, it's logicaly more acceptable to disprove Him.

Well, the same applies to you. Life s*cks kiddo, get use to it.
I'm not sure what you think opinion is, as far as I know it is conjecture without evidence. How do you sleep knowing the foundation of your existence is pinned on the completely unprovable.

As far as I am aware there is plenty of proof for the holocaust.

I do think that god doesn't exist, but it's not because his existence is unprovable. I think there is sufficient evidence to prove that he doesn't exist outright.

But thats just my opinion, unless you want me to provide proof. That should be for a different forum though I think.

[Hecatomb]

But your "proof" is nothing but opinion as well, because proof can be intterupeted differantly from person-to-person.

See why this whole opinion thing is a fallable and dead-end argument? It just screws everybody over, demeaning what they say, and showing no respect to anyone, not even yourself.. are you that self-loathing to rely on such a double-edge sword?

[Selfish_Meme]

Selfish_Meme wrote:
But thats just my opinion, unless you want me to provide proof. That should be for a different forum though I think.
Are you sure you want to go the ad hominem attack route?

Science determines if something is provable, by experimentation. if you conduct the same experiment as someone else you can verify their evidence and process. If you can't do that there is no proof of your conjecture or opinion. So we will feel free to disregard it.

[Sailor Moon]

Selfish_Meme wrote: Have had pets, and probably will have more when I have finished travelling and settle down. Am married and want to have kids, again when we are settled.

So you are a procrastinator? :lol:

What makes you think your kids will want you to be settled down? My dad was a lawyer, and the best lesson I ever learned from him was to never settle.. :lol:

[Selfish_Meme]

Sailor Moon wrote: Selfish_Meme wrote: Have had pets, and probably will have more when I have finished travelling and settle down. Am married and want to have kids, again when we are settled.

So you are a procrastinator? :lol:

What makes you think your kids will want you to be settled down? My dad was a lawyer, and the best lesson I ever learned from him was to never settle.. :lol:
Are you insulting me? I don't get it.

[WilliamTheGreat]

The question is not is abortion murder, even if it is it is some time nescessary to murder. Isn't it? We grow up in a soft and sheltered society nowadays we don't realize that sometimes death has to happen if our species is to live sometimes sacrifices have to be made for greater good. some of these abortions are nescessary because the families can't afford to raise a child to let it be born would just be like a cruel joke.

[Hecatomb]

For the sake of human fitness, I feel the offspring should live before thier foolish parents, let's put it this way..

If someone chooses to have an abortion, they have a selfish reasoning, let's call this the evil gene..

If one of the parents was against it, (preffbly the mother as our ass-backward society only allows thier opinion to matter..) then that gene decreases by .5, resulting in a only "half" as evil in that specific category..

Therfore, as long as both parents aren't bleeding hearts, the child will always only be half as bad as the parent.. That's a net-gain in human advancement, however, if both are pro-choice from the start, then by all means abort, the less of you.. the better.. You may not like to hear this, but the way you think is a disease, it's destructive and chaotic, both from a moraly religous and scientificaly settlment standpoint..

[Selfish_Meme]

Hecatomb wrote: For the sake of human fitness, I feel the offspring should live before thier foolish parents, let's put it this way..

If someone chooses to have an abortion, they have a selfish reasoning, let's call this the evil gene..

If one of the parents was against it, (preffbly the mother as our ass-backward society only allows thier opinion to matter..) then that gene decreases by .5, resulting in a only "half" as evil in that specific category..

Therfore, as long as both parents aren't bleeding hearts, the child will always only be half as bad as the parent.. That's a net-gain in human advancement, however, if both are pro-choice from the start, then by all means abort, the less of you.. the better.. You may not like to hear this, but the way you think is a disease, it's destructive and chaotic, both from a moraly religous and scientificaly settlment standpoint..
Thats a nice theory, have you got any evidence for it or should we just ignore it.

By the way calling people a disease is not going to get your point across, your reputation for enlightened rational thought is zero so far.

[EugenicHegemony]

Selfish_Meme wrote: Hecatomb wrote: It's not quite human yet as alot of pro-choice advocates like to point out, but it still thinks and feels, so I'd classfefy it as animal abuse. And yes, no matter how you look at it it's murder because you're ending a life that wasn't in self-defence..

We have more laws protecting a dog's pups then we do human-children.. it's absurb..

And I for one, can honostly say i'm no "hypocrite", as I actively try my best not even to kill insects, who invade my personal space and can become a real pest to my household and possibly my hygene.. but I try to encourage them to not come in by natural means and normaly just put them in a jar or something and throw them outside..

I think this is why most pro-choice and "those types" in general don't have pets and children very often. Animals and kids can sense that sortof thing..
Bless me I'm not sure where to start in that disgorgement of half digested pap.

"Animal abuse"? :lol: :lol:

[Sailor Moon]

Selfish_Meme wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: Selfish_Meme wrote: Have had pets, and probably will have more when I have finished travelling and settle down. Am married and want to have kids, again when we are settled.

So you are a procrastinator? :lol:

What makes you think your kids will want you to be settled down? My dad was a lawyer, and the best lesson I ever learned from him was to never settle.. :lol:
Are you insulting me? I don't get it.

Nope not insulting you at all.. Youre username has the subtitle "procrastinator", and I was pointing out that you really ARE a procrastinator.

And the dad bit was serious too.. me and my dad had loads of fun together. We went traveling alot, he taught me how to play pool, we went boating, him and my sister took scuba lessons together..

Sometimes, and I really do speak from experience, its just that much more fun with kids! In fact, people who have kids straight out of college, before they do much traveling, tend to have fewer financial problems, also- since they never get used to spending more without having kids, you know... it may be hard to adjust to a lower standard of living if you wait too long, is all..

Anyways, the moral of the story is to never settle. NEVER. Just have fun, with kids, or without! Life is worth living, and even if you gave kids half a chance, you might even learn a whole new culture- the culture of childhood- before youre too old and tired to appreciate it, I mean...

My son had this best friend whose parents were in their 50s, and I mean these two kids were in Kindergarten. They were good parents, and all, but just REALLY tired, and they were getting old, too, so they really dont understand or remember enough about childhood to be able to relate well... its tough when youre older, anyways..

Eh.. I am sure you will be happy with your decisions, whenever you end up having kids, if you do. Just dont wait too long.. My dad was 46 when he died, and my mom was 51, so I just really worry about kids whose parents are older. You just never know, I reckon..