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Coral · Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 2756 Location: Hold 'em, Texas

A pregnant woman can donate an organ to her dying Godchild. Without it the Godchild is certain to die. With it the child has good chance at life. But in doing so, the risks to her pregnancy are considered significant. The result is likely to be miscarriage. She is 4 months pregnant.

Who has the right to decide what she does and why? Should it be illegal for her to put the pregnancy at risk with the procedure? Should she be considered a criminal if the pregnancy is lost? If she does the procedure and loses the pregnancy has she committed negligent homicide? Murder? Or should the decision be hers and why?

(note: the above facts aren't in dispute - don't bring semantics and spin into this thread. The purpose is to discuss what if anything she should be able to do and why).

jlrobe · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 118

Coral wrote: A pregnant woman can donate an organ to her dying Godchild. Without it the Godchild is certain to die. With it the child has good chance at life. But in doing so, the risks to her pregnancy are considered significant. The result is likely to be miscarriage. She is 4 months pregnant.

Who has the right to decide what she does and why? Should it be illegal for her to put the pregnancy at risk with the procedure? Should she be considered a criminal if the pregnancy is lost? If she does the procedure and loses the pregnancy has she committed negligent homicide? Murder? Or should the decision be hers and why?

(note: the above facts aren't in dispute - don't bring semantics and spin into this thread. The purpose is to discuss what if anything she should be able to do and why).

Good questin. She wouldnt be liable, a doctor would. We would first have to assume that abortionis illegal. This situation you made up was great and it is something lawyers would battle over before a new law was made.
A lawyer could argue that by removing the organ, he knew the baby would die, and even though it was her choice, the doctor had an obligation to his other patient (the baby). After all, if abortion is illegal, that means the courts have given the unborn fetus as much of a say over its mother's body as the mother has. Thus, if the doctor grossly endangers one patient without its consent (a fetus cant consent) , the doctor would be violating her oath.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Coral wrote: A pregnant woman can donate an organ to her dying Godchild. Without it the Godchild is certain to die. With it the child has good chance at life. But in doing so, the risks to her pregnancy are considered significant. The result is likely to be miscarriage. She is 4 months pregnant.

Who has the right to decide what she does and why? Should it be illegal for her to put the pregnancy at risk with the procedure? Should she be considered a criminal if the pregnancy is lost? If she does the procedure and loses the pregnancy has she committed negligent homicide? Murder? Or should the decision be hers and why?

(note: the above facts aren't in dispute - don't bring semantics and spin into this thread. The purpose is to discuss what if anything she should be able to do and why).

Its her choice.. And no of course she shouldnt be considered a criminal if her fetus died. And you know what? This NEVER HAPPENS. This entire thread is started with a whole lot of spin incorporated into it.

Coral, why is it that the only things you dispute are the absolute least likely? Seriously.. I'm not being funny. I am asking you why on earth this is so important?

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Anyways, I cant think of any type of organ donation that would give any likelihood of causing the fetus to die.. I mean, even pregnant women only need one kidney, then theres the gallbladder, and the appendix...

What kind of organ donation (hypothetically) are you even discussing?????? This just isnt plausible. Sorry.

jlrobe · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 118

Sailor Moon wrote: Coral wrote: A pregnant woman can donate an organ to her dying Godchild. Without it the Godchild is certain to die. With it the child has good chance at life. But in doing so, the risks to her pregnancy are considered significant. The result is likely to be miscarriage. She is 4 months pregnant.

Who has the right to decide what she does and why? Should it be illegal for her to put the pregnancy at risk with the procedure? Should she be considered a criminal if the pregnancy is lost? If she does the procedure and loses the pregnancy has she committed negligent homicide? Murder? Or should the decision be hers and why?

(note: the above facts aren't in dispute - don't bring semantics and spin into this thread. The purpose is to discuss what if anything she should be able to do and why).

Its her choice.. And no of course she shouldnt be considered a criminal if her fetus died. And you know what? This NEVER HAPPENS. This entire thread is started with a whole lot of spin incorporated into it.

Coral, why is it that the only things you dispute are the absolute least likely? Seriously.. I'm not being funny. I am asking you why on earth this is so important?

First of all, because abortion is legal, this conversation has ZERO bearing. If abortion is illegal, then the courts would recognize the fetus as an entity with rights, right to life being one of them.

Sailor, I dont understand your logic. I can gaurantee you, with legal certaininty, a doctor would be prosecuted for this. Would he be acquitted, I don know, but he would be prosecuted.

Think about this LEGALLY, as if you were a member of the court. A doctor would be performing gross negligence under the current statute if the fetus had a right to life.

Coral · Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 2756 Location: Hold 'em, Texas

Sailor Moon wrote: Coral wrote: A pregnant woman can donate an organ to her dying Godchild. Without it the Godchild is certain to die. With it the child has good chance at life. But in doing so, the risks to her pregnancy are considered significant. The result is likely to be miscarriage. She is 4 months pregnant.

Who has the right to decide what she does and why? Should it be illegal for her to put the pregnancy at risk with the procedure? Should she be considered a criminal if the pregnancy is lost? If she does the procedure and loses the pregnancy has she committed negligent homicide? Murder? Or should the decision be hers and why?

(note: the above facts aren't in dispute - don't bring semantics and spin into this thread. The purpose is to discuss what if anything she should be able to do and why).

Its her choice.. And no of course she shouldnt be considered a criminal if her fetus died. And you know what? This NEVER HAPPENS. This entire thread is started with a whole lot of spin incorporated into it.

Coral, why is it that the only things you dispute are the absolute least likely? Seriously.. I'm not being funny. I am asking you why on earth this is so important?

Why don't you go blow your wad somewhere else.

Coral · Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 2756 Location: Hold 'em, Texas

Sailor Moon wrote: Anyways, I cant think of any type of organ donation that would give any likelihood of causing the fetus to die.. I mean, even pregnant women only need one kidney, then theres the gallbladder, and the appendix...

What kind of organ donation (hypothetically) are you even discussing?????? This just isnt plausible. Sorry.

Go F yourself.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Coral wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: Anyways, I cant think of any type of organ donation that would give any likelihood of causing the fetus to die.. I mean, even pregnant women only need one kidney, then theres the gallbladder, and the appendix...

What kind of organ donation (hypothetically) are you even discussing?????? This just isnt plausible. Sorry.

Go F yourself.

That was civil. :roll:

Cant answer?

Coral · Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 2756 Location: Hold 'em, Texas

Sailor Moon wrote: Coral wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: Anyways, I cant think of any type of organ donation that would give any likelihood of causing the fetus to die.. I mean, even pregnant women only need one kidney, then theres the gallbladder, and the appendix...

What kind of organ donation (hypothetically) are you even discussing?????? This just isnt plausible. Sorry.

Go F yourself.

That was civil. :roll:

Cant answer?

You can't read? Are you just a sh!t disturber or are you really really stupid?

Harvest Moon · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 10

Coral wrote: Go F yourself.
Suck balls..

Oh wait, you're liberal, you probably already have.. :roll:

jlrobe · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 118

I dont know why coral and sailor are fighting? Are people on this board jokers or something. What happened. I think I posed a very serious response, yet I was ignored and name calling started. What gives?

Coral · Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 2756 Location: Hold 'em, Texas

The righteous boneheads can't deal with the topic. You people are stunned. Not worth conversing with.

Harvest Moon · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 10

I'm just here for my own convient reasons, I could care less about your petty little topic and it's half-ass attempt at making murder appear civil..

Though I must admit, i'm intreagued by the idea, if only you were a fetus..

jlrobe · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 118

Coral wrote: The righteous boneheads can't deal with the topic. You people are stunned. Not worth conversing with.

Im lost. Were you being funny? do you disagee with me? Are you kidding? Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

I dont mind disagreeing, but I have no idea what your agenda is.

Coral · Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 2756 Location: Hold 'em, Texas

Harvest Moon wrote: I'm just here for my own convient reasons, I could care less about your petty little topic and it's half-ass attempt at making murder appear civil..

Though I must admit, i'm intreagued by the idea, if only you were a fetus..

What would you do, where a warm washcloth down your pants? Oh wait, you don't have any balls.

Harvest Moon · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 10

He's a liberal, what do you think his position is? :lol:

Coral · Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 2756 Location: Hold 'em, Texas

jlrobe wrote: Coral wrote: The righteous boneheads can't deal with the topic. You people are stunned. Not worth conversing with.

Im lost. Were you being funny? do you disagee with me? Are you kidding? Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

I dont mind disagreeing, but I have no idea what your agenda is.

I liked your post. It's these other nuts that make it impossible to have a discussion.

Coral · Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 2756 Location: Hold 'em, Texas

Harvest Moon wrote: He's a liberal, what do you think his position is? :lol:

Some where this side of your fairy tales.

jlrobe · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 118

Harvest Moon wrote: He's a liberal, what do you think his position is? :lol:

I dont know. But he told me. I am brand new to the board as you can see, so I dont know much of anything I guess.

So, I am guessing that you are opposed to abortion. Well, what do you think would happen? I am not trying to burn bridges, I am just curios.

The Grandmaster · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:37 am Post subject:

Coral is pro-choice (aka Pro-reason) as am I. Anything ending in Moon is not.