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Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

I seriously want to know where, for anybody who believes a conception is a non life, you got that from...

Was that what you learned in health class? Seriously.. This is a real question, and I demand answers.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9042

The mere wording of the poll is biased. I won't answer. As, after all, it appears to be just a new form of the last troll thread that was locked.

Prole · Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 2259 Location: Edinburgh

I voted, "How dare you ask such a question." I'm actually seething. :wink:

To be honest, I don't remember abortion being covered in health class. However, no health teacher worth their salt (and I am aware that there are many who unfortunately are not) would say that a preborn human is not alive. However, what constitutes "a life" any more than my finger or nose is "a life" is a moral and an ethical question, not just a scientific one.

So, if any health teacher went around implying that a preborn human was definitively "a life" or "a non-life" I'd probably be pretty agitated, and would definitely call him/her on it.

It's a good thing that I went to secular schools.

Gilbert1908 · Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 5209 Location: Boston, MA

Prole wrote: I voted, "How dare you ask such a question." I'm actually seething. :wink:

To be honest, I don't remember abortion being covered in health class. However, no health teacher worth their salt (and I am aware that there are many who unfortunately are not) would say that a preborn human is not alive. However, what constitutes "a life" any more than my finger or nose is "a life" is a moral and an ethical question, not just a scientific one.

So, if any health teacher went around implying that a preborn human was definitively "a life" or "a non-life" I'd probably be pretty agitated, and would definitely call him/her on it.

It's a good thing that I went to secular schools.

I happen to agree with your premise Prole although I may not agree with your conclusion. And I think you and I understand where we stand on this issue.

The question becomes how and why you determine that a living being is worthy of being.

I know you and I do not an most likely will not agree on the answer, but we do agree on the question which is a start.

I also agree with your exception to the question in this thread.

Sage Orator · Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 335

I don't like people ordering me around. j/k

Anyway, I have formed that opinion through consideration in various science classes. The first question I asked myself is, are we going to classify where life starts. This led me to research on the subject which gave me this. Which explains the controversy. I would recommend reading it, it seems to provide a good view on the issue. If you prefer you can read the summary. After careful consideration I decided that my views fit into both the neurological view and the ecological/technological view though not perfectly into either one. I have found nothing that has convinced me otherwise, especially attempts that merely point at fleeting remarks in science books and movies.

So I suppose I got it from not believing that it starts at conception, getting assurance that it could be opinion and not fact, and seeing nothing that convinces me otherwise.

Coral · Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 2759 Location: Hold 'em, Texas

Who cares what you call it. Is a a guy on death row a non-life? Sometimes doing what's right is more important than playing word games with zealots.

_Locke_ · Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 182 Location: Bailey

tell u the true my teacher never told us that it was living or nonliving cuz when someone asked her, she said that she didn't want to answer

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

The purpose of the thread is to find out where the information being posted that the product of conception is a non life, is derived. Certainly it must count as life.

Prole · Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 2259 Location: Edinburgh

Sailor Moon wrote: The purpose of the thread is to find out where the information being posted that the product of conception is a non life, is derived. Certainly it must count as life.
I don't see anyone arguing that a preborn human is not alive. So if that is the perception you are contending, then this is yet another troll thread; such a view is a pure strawman. Of course a preborn human is life, as are my finger and my nose.

As to the view of whether a preborn human is "a life" or not, well that view is derived from many places, and is completely subjective. I would venture to guess, though, that "health class" is near the bottom of the list on important influences regarding people's attitudes towards abortion.

Harvest Moon · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 10

No prole, your finger and nose are not alive in any sense, that's just retarded..

You CONTROL your finger/nose, they're a part of your body, a fetus however is not partof your body. It's "connected" to your body, gaining nutrients through it, but it's not a partof your body, this is the disturbing reality of "democracy" We can litteraly own lives and treat them like furniture because some dumbass says it doesn't constitute as real life. Then they turn around and try to get someone who stuck a machete through a guy's throat a leniant sentencing because they feel the death penalty is too harsh..

I can't begin to immagine where such thought process comes from, nor would I want too.. You know, it doesn't even bother me you want to kill children, really.. but atleast be honost, for once.. just be honost. It would help the whole damn country, seriously.

"I am an idiot, I slept around and did not think ahead to use protection and play it safe, and now I don't want to take the responsibility for my actions."

You still suck, but hey, your honosty atleast earns you enough respect by me to not spit at you..

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

I didnt ask you if you thought it was a life or a non life, I asked where you got that it was a non life.

And not you, in particular... but there have been several members who have called it a non life in the past...

Just because the question is offensive, doesnt mean its meant to offend, either.

Harvest Moon · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 10

They want to talk offenssive, when they say stupid crap like "a fetus is a nose" that offends me. They MUST think i'm mentaly handicap if I'm actually going to take such a comment seriously..

jlrobe · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 118

Sailor Moon wrote: I seriously want to know where, for anybody who believes a conception is a non life, you got that from...

Was that what you learned in health class? Seriously.. This is a real question, and I demand answers.

The poll cannot be answered, but I will answer anyways.

My teacher never mentioned life until the baby was born. Conception was a biological system. She refained from feeding us her opinions, which I believe is required of her by law.

The Grandmaster · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:11 am Post subject:

Harvest Moon wrote: No prole, your finger and nose are not alive in any sense, that's just retarded..

*Sigh* Get off here Spelljammer and Big Evil. Quit with the trolling.

If Prole's finger and nose are not alive,

then are they dead?

the_doctor · Joined: 01 Jan 2006 Posts: 353 Location: Sydney

Sailor Moon wrote: I seriously want to know where, for anybody who believes a conception is a non life, you got that from...

Was that what you learned in health class? Seriously.. This is a real question, and I demand answers.

I am not too sure if I understand the question but here goes...

Biologically speaking an female egg and male sperm are raw material and at point of conception they form a cluster and turn into a fetus begin to develop towards a being a life and it happens much later on down the line. I would say at least 5 months.

I do not recall what my biology teacher said about it (17 or so years ago) - so I couldn't vote.

Harvest Moon · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 10

Sorry grandmaster, but you liberals brought this upon yourselves. You're going to learn one way or another..

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Lets stay on topic here, though..

Where did anybody come up with the term "non life" for an embryo/fertilized egg/ fetus/ whatever?

jlrobe · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 118

Sailor Moon wrote: Lets stay on topic here, though..

Where did anybody come up with the term "non life" for an embryo/fertilized egg/ fetus/ whatever?

Good question. I have no idea, and that is why i coudlnt answer the question. To be honest, I dont think teachers are allowed to call it anything.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

jlrobe- can you tell me what health education is, in regards to reproduction? Is it the study of non life, or life?

Obviously, the study of reproduction is the study of life.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9042

Sailor Moon wrote: jlrobe- can you tell me what health education is, in regards to reproduction? Is it the study of non life, or life?

Obviously, the study of reproduction is the study of life.

I have a question for you Sailor. Why does it matter what was taught in school health classes? Really, how is it relevant to the debate at hand about whether abortion should be legal or illegal?

I know you said....

Sailor Moon wrote: The purpose of the thread is to find out where the information being posted that the product of conception is a non life, is derived. Certainly it must count as life.

But, that doesn't answer my question as to "who cares?"

I am not trying to be rude, so forgive me if that is how it came across.