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Mangas_Coloradas · Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 119

I was searching for the age of consent in different countries and noticed that several islamic countries have laws against homosexual sex.

Is this based on Islam (the Koran) or on other traditions/culture ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Ages_of_consent_in_various_countries

Egypt: homosexual sex is not mentioned in the law but homosexuals are prosecuted under various moral statutes

Iran: extramarital sex is illegal (see: Marriageable age), note that homosexual sex may be punishable by death

Malaysia: homosexual sex is illegal (maximum 20 years' jail)
Anal penetration is illegal in Malaysia, regardless of age.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16428 Location: On Earth

Christianity and Judaism are also against homosexual sexual contact, particularly sodomy. Extramarital sex is also forbidden in Islam. In Iran only is homosexuality punishable by death. However, the Gulf states have plenty of homosexuals and they are not prosecuted whatsoever.

jeechoscopy · Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject:

I think the prevention laws are good.
Those stop men to rather change their gender (virtually)...

I think the half reason of the less population is that in the west...
:roll:

Mangas_Coloradas · Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 119

Saracen wrote: Christianity and Judaism are also against homosexual sexual contact, particularly sodomy. Extramarital sex is also forbidden in Islam. In Iran only is homosexuality punishable by death. However, the Gulf states have plenty of homosexuals and they are not prosecuted whatsoever.

I knew about Christianity and Judaism but wasn't sure about Islam.
For some reason a lot of christians ignore the parts of the bible that is against homosexuality. In fact we have homosexual priests here in
Norway.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16428 Location: On Earth

Mangas_Coloradas wrote: Saracen wrote: Christianity and Judaism are also against homosexual sexual contact, particularly sodomy. Extramarital sex is also forbidden in Islam. In Iran only is homosexuality punishable by death. However, the Gulf states have plenty of homosexuals and they are not prosecuted whatsoever.

I knew about Christianity and Judaism but wasn't sure about Islam.
For some reason a lot of christians ignore the parts of the bible that is against homosexuality. In fact we have homosexual priests here in
Norway.

Well, that's strange. Now you know that homosexuality is dealt with equally by all three religions; however, tolerance for homosexuals, especially non-Muslim homosexuals, is strongly recommended.

jeechoscopy · Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject:

After appeasing the cartoon thread... a voice for homosexuality would be raised from the west...

I guess the next thread...

Darth Tiberius · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 2001 Location: Oxford

But aren't the penalties in the countries mentioned in the first post a bit extreme for most Muslims? I'm for a free society that accomodates all people with all walks of life. Putting jail on moral grounds when homosexual sex doesn't affect the public is going to way to far methinks.

I understand that the Baltic States (like Saracen said) have homosexuals and no penalties for it, but in most ARab countries that allow homosexual sex, is there any backlash from the other communties? Is it better or worse than the crap that American homosexuals get in America from the non-gay communities?

Zeeman · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:55 pm Post subject:

Any sex outside of marriage is prohibited,not that stops people but if caught (ofcourse it would be in public to be caught) it would be punishable...The harshness of the punishment depends on the country though.Many countries just give a slap on the wrist...I am talking here sex in general not just homosexual intercourse..

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16428 Location: On Earth

Zeeman wrote: Any sex outside of marriage is prohibited,not that stops people but if caught (ofcourse it would be in public to be caught) it would be punishable...The harshness of the punishment depends on the country though.Many countries just give a slap on the wrist...I am talking here sex in general not just homosexual intercourse..

That's right.

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1642

even though it is unacceptable
i think these people should be taught the right way and should be admited to counseling centres and what not

it is also unacceptable to kill or prosecute them!

Seapearl

Mangas_Coloradas wrote: I was searching for the age of consent in different countries and noticed that several islamic countries have laws against homosexual sex.

Is this based on Islam (the Koran) or on other traditions/culture ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Ages_of_consent_in_various_countries

Egypt: homosexual sex is not mentioned in the law but homosexuals are prosecuted under various moral statutes

Iran: extramarital sex is illegal (see: Marriageable age), note that homosexual sex may be punishable by death

Malaysia: homosexual sex is illegal (maximum 20 years' jail)
Anal penetration is illegal in Malaysia, regardless of age.

I didn´t know that, I actually thought the opposite.... :shock: :shock: The Ottoman local governors had these male servants (called giousoufakia in Greek) about the relations of whom there are lots of rumours and sexual hints. That is stated clearly in great authors' books such as Kazantzakis...

Anyway, is adultery punished when commited only by women or that's irrelevant?

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16428 Location: On Earth

Seapearl wrote: Anyway, is adultery punished when commited only by women or that's irrelevant?

Adultery on part of both men and women is punishable. The Ottomans were very brutal and corrupt, so they are a different story.

jeechoscopy · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:56 am Post subject:

Muslima wrote: even though it is unacceptable
i think these people should be taught the right way and should be admited to counseling centres and what not

it is also unacceptable to kill or prosecute them!

agreed...

spearsy23 · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 5632 Location: Fulton, Ks

Muslima wrote: even though it is unacceptable
i think these people should be taught the right way and should be admited to counseling centres and what not

it is also unacceptable to kill or prosecute them!

Whys it unacceptable? There is no "right way" in this argument it is purely based on ones own views.

As for the priest being homosexual, it's not like there's something that says homosexuality is worse than any other sin. All the preachers that i've known could be found gossiping after church service, why do religious people (that are against homosexuality) always act like homosexuality is a much bigger sin?

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1642

well most people don't accept homosexulaity....

Plodder · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 803 Location: USA

very true

Dagger · Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Location: Vancouver BC

My personal take on it is that 'hey, if your homosexual, good for you, thats your business.'

Same Sex Marriages is a BIG NO! because marriage is a RELIGIOUS contract. In the eyes of god, and god in all three religions is against homosexuality.

Also you cant be a priest and homosexual... its impossible, How can you preachy, homosexuality is wrong... when you are homosexual your self. know what i mean?

Its like letting a criminal, be a judge, or a cop... and the cop/judge continue there criminal ways...

Mangas_Coloradas · Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 119

Dagger wrote:

Also you cant be a priest and homosexual... its impossible, How can you preachy, homosexuality is wrong... when you are homosexual your self. know what i mean?

There are christians that think it is ok to be gay. I don't understand it but it is a fact that there are gay priests.