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chary16 · Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 14

As i know and i believe that god is created us. But who created God? I know that he was, still, and will be. But it is hard if ya think becuase evrything must have begging.
I am really confused please tell yar answers!

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16039 Location: On Earth

Well, what we believe is that God wasn't created nor was he born out of something. He was the first efficient, non-material cause. There was no beginning and no end to this universe. God was there, all the time.
Hope that helps. :-D

chary16 · Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 14

Saracen wrote: Well, what we believe is that God wasn't created nor was he born out of something. He was the first efficient, non-material cause. There was no beginning and no end to this universe. God was there, all the time.
Hope that helps. :-D

I know that but there must be something that proves that. We critize Darvin by saying how first cell was produce from nothing. And the followers of Darwin can critice us how God(Allah) came. And i can;t figure out the answer. But did not Muhammed s.a.s did not leave any message about that? And it is hard even imagen that something was ans will be forever.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16039 Location: On Earth

chary wrote: I know that but there must be something that proves that. We critize Darvin by saying how first cell was produce from nothing. And the followers of Darwin can critice us how God(Allah) came. And i can;t figure out the answer. But did not Muhammed s.a.s did not leave any message about that? And it is hard even imagen that something was ans will be forever.

Are you a Muslim?
Yes, we know that Darwin is criticized for his theory. But this is the best that Islam can come up against this grave error.

Glorfindel · Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Posts: 485 Location: AlRiyadh

chary16 wrote: Saracen wrote: Well, what we believe is that God wasn't created nor was he born out of something. He was the first efficient, non-material cause. There was no beginning and no end to this universe. God was there, all the time.
Hope that helps. :-D

I know that but there must be something that proves that. We critize Darvin by saying how first cell was produce from nothing. And the followers of Darwin can critice us how God(Allah) came. And i can;t figure out the answer. But did not Muhammed s.a.s did not leave any message about that? And it is hard even imagen that something was ans will be forever.

there is a hadith from the prophet that teaches muslims what to do when one asks himself who created god. the prophet tells us that when a muslim wonders about who created godm he should answer such question by saying that he believes in God and his prophet. god created all and created he was not. what is created does not deserve to be worshipped..and God and only God deserves to be worshipped. a question about who created God comes from the devil to shake our faith and weaken it. that's why you should cut that line of thoughts and cut the way for the devil to make you suspicious of your God.

peace

eynon

chary16 wrote: As i know and i believe that god is created us. But who created God? I know that he was, still, and will be. But it is hard if ya think becuase evrything must have begging.
I am really confused please tell yar answers!

only in a demension with linear time is there such phenomena as cause and effect, we live in a universe of 4 demensions; height, width, depth, and linear(one directional) time. But there are mathmatical proofs for as many as 62 different demensions, and in theory there could exist a unlimited number of demensions, each with different rules applying to time, space, matter, etc.....

Now I know in the OT, NT and Koran God is shown and a manipulator of both time and space. The demensional rules, such as cause and effect, do not bind god.

So if god dwells apart from cause, then he needs no cause, nor creator.

Mangas_Coloradas · Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 116

chary16 wrote: As i know and i believe that god is created us. But who created God? I know that he was, still, and will be. But it is hard if ya think becuase evrything must have begging.
I am really confused please tell yar answers!

I assume you are saying that everything has a beginning.
Why ? How can you know if something has existed forever or not ?

jeechoscopy · Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject:

Interesting question!

Well, as we live in time and space we have to take a big “quantum leap” to understand the question.

God creates the world and the universe, even every creature… (Belief.)
Means, He makes a quantum period –the whole universe lives within… (Science.)

Then what remains is nothing but God. There is no time, space, move, light or dark but just one God.

It’s just an understanding of God. He is greater than our imagination. As God says that you would find God as you had been intuit/perceive him.

Not a limited imagination just Intuit him well!!

chary16 · Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 14

Mangas_Coloradas wrote: chary16 wrote: As i know and i believe that god is created us. But who created God? I know that he was, still, and will be. But it is hard if ya think becuase evrything must have begging.
I am really confused please tell yar answers!

I assume you are saying that everything has a beginning.
Why ? How can you know if something has existed forever or not ?

I know from my religion. Take youself as an example. You have yar begining and your end.( In the earth) .

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16039 Location: On Earth

chary16 wrote: Mangas_Coloradas wrote: chary16 wrote: As i know and i believe that god is created us. But who created God? I know that he was, still, and will be. But it is hard if ya think becuase evrything must have begging.
I am really confused please tell yar answers!

I assume you are saying that everything has a beginning.
Why ? How can you know if something has existed forever or not ?

I know from my religion. Take youself as an example. You have yar begining and your end.( In the earth) .

chary, are you Muslim?

snow · Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 669

Saracen wrote: chary wrote: I know that but there must be something that proves that. We critize Darvin by saying how first cell was produce from nothing. And the followers of Darwin can critice us how God(Allah) came. And i can;t figure out the answer. But did not Muhammed s.a.s did not leave any message about that? And it is hard even imagen that something was ans will be forever.

Are you a Muslim?
Yes, we know that Darwin is criticized for his theory. But this is the best that Islam can come up against this grave error.

From your link, first sentence. . .

The Christian Bible says that Adam & Eve were both created here on Earth, less than 10,000 years ago.

Already bad info. :-|

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16039 Location: On Earth

snow wrote: The Christian Bible says that Adam & Eve were both created here on Earth, less than 10,000 years ago.

Already bad info.

Dammit! Well, the rest of the info shouldn't be as bad. The info that sticks to the Islamic side of the story without attacking the Christian side... I'd call good on that one. Other than that, the first sentence and any other sentences like it are not to be taken seriously.

snow · Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 669

Saracen wrote:

Dammit! Well, the rest of the info shouldn't be as bad. The info that sticks to the Islamic side of the story without attacking the Christian side... I'd call good on that one. Other than that, the first sentence and any other sentences like it are not to be taken seriously.

Just nitpicking to give you a hard time :) :) :)

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16039 Location: On Earth

snow wrote: Saracen wrote: Dammit! Well, the rest of the info shouldn't be as bad. The info that sticks to the Islamic side of the story without attacking the Christian side... I'd call good on that one. Other than that, the first sentence and any other sentences like it are not to be taken seriously.

Just nitpicking to give you a hard time :) :) :)

No problem, snow. But pertaining to the topic, I'd appreciate it if you can read the link and tell me how similar or different it is to the Theory of Creation in Christianity. :)

snow · Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 669

Saracen wrote: snow wrote: Saracen wrote: Dammit! Well, the rest of the info shouldn't be as bad. The info that sticks to the Islamic side of the story without attacking the Christian side... I'd call good on that one. Other than that, the first sentence and any other sentences like it are not to be taken seriously.

Just nitpicking to give you a hard time :) :) :)

No problem, snow. But pertaining to the topic, I'd appreciate it if you can read the link and tell me how similar or different it is to the Theory of Creation in Christianity. :)

Well the problem is, people can interpret the Creation story any number of ways, so it's hard to say, outside of personal opinion, what the similarities and differences are.

I read a book by Jewish physicist, Gerald Schroder, entitled The Science of God, and it seems to somewhat agree with what your link provides. It states that evolution occurred, but as Genesis states, God breathed the breath of life and man became a living soul, making them truly human by giving them a soul through this "breath."

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16039 Location: On Earth

snow wrote: I read a book by Jewish physicist, Gerald Schroder, entitled The Science of God, and it seems to somewhat agree with what your link provides. It states that evolution occurred, but as Genesis states, God breathed the breath of life and man became a living soul, making them truly human by giving them a soul through this "breath."

That sounds a lot like the Islamic story of Creation. :think:

Zeeman · Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:34 am Post subject:

This seems to be a question because we take the concept of time and creation as part of it...While those two existed only with our existence and dont apply to the creator..does that make sense?

jeechoscopy · Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:35 am Post subject:

Zeeman wrote: This seems to be a question because we take the concept of time and creation as part of it...While those two existed only with our existence and dont apply to the creator..does that make sense?

Yes, it relates to...
Time and space is a part of God’s creation. It’s a very short spasm of the whole reality.
God created this spasm... in which we live and every thing will be winded up.

God is Creator of the spasm not any part of it.

Wallh alam…

We don't worship the created gods... It's cleare :-D