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John
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:12 pm Post subject: Mohammed's grave. |
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| How did Mohammed ascend into Heaven on a horse if he is buried in Al-Madinah Al-Munawarah, Saudi Arabia? |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: Mohammed's grave. |
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John wrote: How did Mohammed ascend into Heaven on a horse if he is buried in Al-Madinah Al-Munawarah, Saudi Arabia?
Hey, John. How's it going? :)
Well, Muhammad (PBUH) didn't ascend into Heaven on a horse after his death. He ascended to Heaven during a trip known as the Israa Wal Mi'raaj. Years after his many battles with the aggressive Al Qureysh and other tribes of Mecca, he came to Mecca and conquered it without shedding a drop of blood. A few years after that, he died and was buried in Medinatul Munawwarah (The Enlightened City, or something like that...).
I'll give you a link and a timeline as soon as I have time on my hands.
If you have any other relevant questions, feel free to post them here. |
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John
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Man...that had to stink to have to come back....
Just to have to die a slow painful death of a failed assassination attempt of being poisoned.
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Saracen
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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John wrote: Man...that had to stink to have to come back....
Just to have to die a slow painful death of a failed assassination attempt of being poisoned.
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What are you talking about? :-| |
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cap'n queasy
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| Historical facts. |
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Glorfindel
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:10 am Post subject: |
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John wrote: Man...that had to stink to have to come back....
Just to have to die a slow painful death of a failed assassination attempt of being poisoned.
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the prophet had a prophecy to fullfil and a message to deliver and his destiny on earth was not over yet... his Journey of Israa and Mi'raaj was just a part of his prophecy to learn more about the religion and the teachings of Islam |
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DawoodN
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:16 am Post subject: |
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John wrote: Man...that had to stink to have to come back....
Just to have to die a slow painful death of a failed assassination attempt of being poisoned.
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He passed away at 62. Given that life expectancy in those parts is about the same now, I highly doubt his death was anything out of the ordinary in terms of age. |
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DawoodN
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:18 am Post subject: |
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cap'n queasy wrote: Historical facts.
I've noticed something about you... you don't contribute much to any debate. You simply troll and make rather snide comments. Maybe you should take a step back and realize that you're not fooling anyone about your ignorance. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:22 am Post subject: |
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DawoodN wrote: John wrote: Man...that had to stink to have to come back....
Just to have to die a slow painful death of a failed assassination attempt of being poisoned.
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He passed away at 62. Given that life expectancy in those parts is about the same now, I highly doubt his death was anything out of the ordinary in terms of age.
Are you sure it was 62, or was it 63?
By the way, Dawood, good to see you again. It's me, Moath. Where have you been? :) |
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pharaoh
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:39 am Post subject: |
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Saracen wrote: DawoodN wrote: John wrote: Man...that had to stink to have to come back....
Just to have to die a slow painful death of a failed assassination attempt of being poisoned.
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He passed away at 62. Given that life expectancy in those parts is about the same now, I highly doubt his death was anything out of the ordinary in terms of age.
Are you sure it was 62, or was it 63?
By the way, Dawood, good to see you again. It's me, Moath. Where have you been? :)
Yeah prophet Muhammed was 63 when he died, I wish I would die when Im 63. |
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Robin Hood
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:07 am Post subject: |
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Quote: Yeah prophet Muhammed was 63 when he died, I wish I would die when Im 63.
Man, I'm sure if Mohammed were alive (and I know this is not something I should be doing - second guessing people's prophet) he'd want to live as long as you can. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:20 am Post subject: |
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Reason wrote: Quote: Yeah prophet Muhammed was 63 when he died, I wish I would die when Im 63.
Man, I'm sure if Mohammed were alive (and I know this is not something I should be doing - second guessing people's prophet) he'd want to live as long as you can.
Considering the darkness that has befallen upon our world... no. The Prophet (PBUH) has been through so much hardship, and he's what we consider a perfect example to mankind. So I don't think he'll have a hard time adjusting to today's world. |
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pharaoh
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Reason wrote: Quote: Yeah prophet Muhammed was 63 when he died, I wish I would die when Im 63.
Man, I'm sure if Mohammed were alive (and I know this is not something I should be doing - second guessing people's prophet) he'd want to live as long as you can.
There are alot of things that you dont know about prophet Muhammed, so I understand why you said such a thing. |
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Robin Hood
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Considering the darkness that has befallen upon our world... no. The Prophet (PBUH) has been through so much hardship, and he's what we consider a perfect example to mankind. So I don't think he'll have a hard time adjusting to today's world.
Sorry I made a typing error...really sorry
I meant: Man, I'm sure if Mohammed were alive (and I know this is not something I should be doing - second guessing people's prophet) he'd want you to live as long as you can. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Reason wrote: Quote:
Considering the darkness that has befallen upon our world... no. The Prophet (PBUH) has been through so much hardship, and he's what we consider a perfect example to mankind. So I don't think he'll have a hard time adjusting to today's world.
Sorry I made a typing error...really sorry
I meant: Man, I'm sure if Mohammed were alive (and I know this is not something I should be doing - second guessing people's prophet) he'd want you to live as long as you can.
No worries. I just hope you're not back into your bashing days, Reason. And your answer made some sense. |
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Robin Hood
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Quote: No worries. I just hope you're not back into your bashing days, Reason. And your answer made some sense.
I never had any 'bashing days', you may have misudnerstood the implications of what I was saying but I've never shown intolerance to anything but intolerance.
I did however have a very negative view of Islam because I didn't know any Muslims who believed in liberty (my core value) and was never fortunate enough to read anything by a Muslim who did.
This view has been corrected by something of an Islamic libertarian fightback, even if it is very minor. Reflected in both your exemplary values and those of a new friend I made at university, it also reflected in a variety of articles and books I've been reading.
In fact I consider that I starting to have a special interest in Islamic libertarianism. I was far from optimistic about the fate of over a billion people and now i have been given hope. A hope which I cherish and am now reading a great deal about.
I also have a general dislike of religion because I don't believe in it. I used to have the same attitude to Christianity, until people with the equally exemplary viewpoint of your proved me wrong. It's really nice to be proved wrong on something that I was sad about. |
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Robin Hood
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I was basically trying to tell the guy that he shouldn't wish to die at 63, that'd be sad, and that anyone who cared for him/her and humanity wouldn't wish that either - of course including your prophet |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Understood. Thanks for the compliment. :)
Salaam. |
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pharaoh
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Quote: In fact I consider that I starting to have a special interest in Islamic libertarianism.
There is nothing called "Islamic libertarianism" or even "Islamic extremism" there is only ISLAM. Its either you apply it correctly or you apply it wrongly. God gave us Islam as a blessing to humanity so we can all be happy in our lives, if we set apart from the path specified by god then we are not applying god's will and we can call that "extremism" or "libertarianism". You know what im saying?
Quote: I was basically trying to tell the guy that he shouldn't wish to die at 63, that'd be sad, and that anyone who cared for him/her and humanity wouldn't wish that either - of course including your prophet
What you dont know is that prophet Muhammed had a choice between dying and joining god's kingdom or continue living, prophet Muhammed, ofcourse, chose to meet god.
This is a fundamental difference between people like you and people like me, people like me believe that there is life after death and that life would be bizzilion time better than this life, people like me consider this life as just a phase, a test and then we shall all return to our real home. On the other hand, people like you dont believe in life after death, people like you believe that this life is everything there is and that one should enjoy his life to the max, so people like you dont wanna die even if they are very old and very ill because they are afraid of dying. So obviously you would never understand me, you just cant.
And it would be indeed a blessing from god if I died at the same age of that of prophet Muhammed. Kalif Abu bakr and Omar both died at the age of 63, I dont consider it a coincidence. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:08 am Post subject: |
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pharaoh wrote: There is nothing called "Islamic libertarianism" or even "Islamic extremism" there is only ISLAM. Its either you apply it correctly or you apply it wrongly. God gave us Islam as a blessing to humanity so we can all be happy in our lives, if we set apart from the path specified by god then we are not applying god's will and we can call that "extremism" or "libertarianism". You know what im saying?
110% true. But what he's trying to say is that Islamic Libertarianism is actually libertarianism influenced by Islam, not the other way around.
I think what he's trying to say is that liberal Muslims like you and me are the truest of Muslims or something to that effect ... :?
As for the second part of your post...
:tu: :clap: |
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