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[Deemoore]

Was it a surprise to hear Bush tell you we are addicted to oil?
What a genius he was to have figured that one out.
Well maybe we can figure this one out.

Moose herds are moving north.
Birds are changing thier migratorial patterns.
The list is endless ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/19/national/19lake.html?ex=1298005200&en=a889d2e43f0d4394&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
Quote: For the first time that anyone in Put-in-Bay could remember, the Great Lakes were ice-free in the middle of winter. Even Lake Erie, the shallowest of the five lakes and usually the first to freeze over, was clear

Don't worry ...
If the polar ice caps melt to much
these lakes will once again be covered with glaciers.

[Carl]

I recall while growing up that the sun was.....hot.

This morning here in my town it was about 20 degrees right before sunrise. After a couple hours it's above 40.

When man can figure out how to warm all of Long Island by 20 degrees in a couple hours, I might start considering the notion that he can warm the entire globe.

Until then, I'll just appreciate Mother Nature's endless cycles....

[Ameriman]

12 degrees outside...the Moose are huddled around a trashcan with a fire in it...

[Deemoore]

Quote: In 2005, the ice cap covering the Arctic Ocean shrank to its smallest size since researchers began keeping records a century ago. In the past five years, scientists reported that many Greenland glaciers are sliding faster to the sea and melting at their edges. Climate simulations indicate that the buildup of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere will accelerate melting.

Are these temporary phenomena or the first hints of long-term climate change? The answers are critical because the Arctic will not just feel the impacts of climate change, it will also cause a cascade of other global changes. As the Arctic goes, most scientists say, so goes the planet.

http://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/viewArticle.do?id=9206&sectionid=1000



Mad scientists telling us the sky is falling?

[Carl]

Deemoore wrote: Quote: In 2005, the ice cap covering the Arctic Ocean shrank to its smallest size since researchers began keeping records a century ago.

Wow, a whole century. Now how do you suppose they kept the ink in their fountain pens from freezing?

[Deemoore]

Carl wrote: Deemoore wrote: Quote: In 2005, the ice cap covering the Arctic Ocean shrank to its smallest size since researchers began keeping records a century ago.

Wow, a whole century.
I would take that over .." when I was a kid it was hot".

[Carl]

Deemoore wrote: I would take that over .." when I was a kid it was hot".

Heh heh heh. The scary part is that *you* are serious.....

[bob.appleyard]

It's bloody cold where I am. Not as much as it has been, though.

If Greenland does melt enough (for whatever reasons), then I'm likely to have colder winters. I'm ~4 degrees north of Vancouver, and it would be the winter I should have.

[Deemoore]

Carl wrote: Deemoore wrote: I would take that over .." when I was a kid it was hot".

Heh heh heh. The scary part is that *you* are serious.....
ask yourself why.

[foadi]

cold weather is eval. this entire planet needs to be turned into a huge city wit a bangkok-like climate.

[bob.appleyard]

foadi wrote: cold weather is eval. this entire planet needs to be turned into a huge city wit a bangkok-like climate.

I like the cold. You can put a jumper on. Not alot you can do if it's too hot.

[anselfir]

and lotsa of rain too

[foadi]

bob.appleyard wrote:
I like the cold. You can put a jumper on. Not alot you can do if it's too hot.
yer not human. yer some kind of alien freakazoid. i prefer 35-45 and humid, year round.

[Deemoore]

I like ignorance you can always learn something .. not much you can do if you are smart. :lol:

[bob.appleyard]

foadi wrote: bob.appleyard wrote:
I like the cold. You can put a jumper on. Not alot you can do if it's too hot.
yer not human. yer some kind of alien freakazoid. i prefer 35-45 and humid, year round.

Urrrrgggh. Couldn't do that. I have trouble visiting Italy for work.

[TheCreepyApostate]

I prefer cold and overcast year round. Something of a Seattle meets Alaska climes.

[pedagogue]

Carl wrote: I recall while growing up that the sun was.....hot.

This morning here in my town it was about 20 degrees right before sunrise. After a couple hours it's above 40.

When man can figure out how to warm all of Long Island by 20 degrees in a couple hours, I might start considering the notion that he can warm the entire globe.

Until then, I'll just appreciate Mother Nature's endless cycles....

One topic that is always of concern to me is what effect man is having on the planet, especially since the island on which I live only averages, outside of the incorporated city, two and a half feet above mean sea level. So when I see stories like 'Study: Greenland lost more ice than thought—Finding suggests warming glaciers are melting faster than a decade ago, raising sea levels,' I tend to pay attention because other stories like ... Guardian Unlimited wrote: Global warming rate discovered—

Computer models of future global warming suggest that planetary temperatures could rise by as much as 5.8C in the next century, with sea level rises of a metre. Since 1993, the world's oceans have risen at the rate of 3.2cm per decade. This is twice the sea level rise of the last 100 years. The warmer the oceans, the faster the planet's ice sheets will melt. ... would mean that by the end of this century, my little heaven in this universe could quite easily be gone as my posterity seeks to learn about their roots.

In the debate over whether or not global warming is real ... and who or what's causing it ... many on the right are of the opinion that global warming is merely a natural and on-going process entirely caused by the sun, and that this warming has been going on since time began; it's constant, unchanging, we didn't cause it, and there's nothing we can, or should, do about it. OK; so let's look at this "theory" and logically follow through time backwards to see where this "theory" leads. As an aerospace engineer, we have a number of constants we use to design components for use in air and space craft, one of which is the standard global temperature, 59 degrees farenheit. And given the current average rate of temperature increase provided by William F. Buckley Jr. in 'Answering the moral call to be the stewards of nature' of one degree per generation, we have a starting point and rate to measure the accuracy of this "theory."

Given this rate of one degree per generation as a constant in global warming temperatures, let's look back at what this rate would mean if we were to adjust temperatures back to various times in history. Within my lifetime, the average global temperature would have risen just a little more than two degrees, truly an insignificant amount that might be explained away in more accurate measurements; so going back ten generations to 1766, temperatures would've been 10 degrees cooler, or 46 degrees farenheit; going back 20 generations to 1526, 20 degrees cooler, or 39 degrees farenheit; going back 40 generations to 1046, 40 degrees cooler, or 19 degrees farenheit, making our planet's average temperature sub-freezing; going back 70 generations to 326 A.D., 70 degrees cooler, or minus eleven degrees farenheit; and going back to the time that Egypt's pyramids were built, approximately 4,500 years ago, the average temperature would have been a truly crisp 129 degrees below zero farenheit. And all of these time periods, outside of the pyramids, fall within historical time, so we know better. If temperatures during the dark ages were so cold that people could not drink water, some scribe would have commented.

[Plodder]

so?....