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[OneZero]

Gogo Yubari wrote:
Quote: Oh yeah, I have another accusation... PETA KILLS ANIMALS!!!
Go ahead, try to disprove it.

First you would have to provide evidence for me to disprove.

Um.... do you not follow the news?

[Canada_Rocks]

OneZero wrote: Gogo Yubari wrote:
Quote: Oh yeah, I have another accusation... PETA KILLS ANIMALS!!!
Go ahead, try to disprove it.

First you would have to provide evidence for me to disprove.

Um.... do you not follow the news?

Are you going to give me some evidence or not.

[OneZero]

www.petakillsanimals.com/

[Canada_Rocks]

Ohhh I coupld of Peta employess were killing animals. I must CONDEMN the whole organization now. Not quite.

That's as far as I am going. I skimmed the first page so if you want to provide evidence...as learnt in university, you must provide and quote specific sources. Not an entire webpage.

I await your response.

[OneZero]

www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm

Quote: From July 1998 through the end of 2004, PETA killed over 12,400 dogs, cats, and other "companion animals" -- at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. That's more than five defenseless animals every day. Not counting the dogs and cats PETA spayed and neutered, the group put to death over 85 percent of the animals it took in during 2003 alone. And its angel-of-death pattern shows no sign of changing.

www.petakillsanimals.com/article_detail.cfm?article=134

Quote: PETA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals. This includes a 2001 donation of $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front (ELF), an FBI-certified “domestic terrorist” group responsible for dozens of firebombs and death threats. During the 1990s, PETA paid $70,200 to an Animal Liberation Front (ALF) activist convicted of burning down a Michigan State University research laboratory. In his sentencing recommendation, a federal prosecutor implicated PETA president Ingrid Newkirk in that crime. And PETA vegetarian campaign coordinator Bruce Friedrich told an animal rights convention in 2001 that “blowing stuff up and smashing windows” is “a great way to bring about animal liberation.”

[George W Bush]

revolution_reversal wrote: George W Bush wrote: OneZero wrote: I cannot believe people can support PETA, who is actively trying to turn children agains their parents (through lies; how many of you had mothers that knifed little bunnies?).

Oh and hey I have fur coats if anyone wants to wear one to the next PETA protest.

If your children are suggestible to the point that PETA can get them to hate you, whats up with YOU?

The small infraction of them making comic books to proliferate their feelings against eating meat, is not enough for me to disown the fundamental philosophy of compassion for animals.

As I said before, I eat meat. That doesnt mean I get "offended" when they suggest its murder.

Finally, what is so wrong with the notion of ethically treating animals?

Would you stop talking you are embarrassing all animal rights activists, with you inabilty to hold a solid arguement.

Quit pushing for PETA when the obviously don't represent you.

I dont represent animal activists so dont assume I speak for them.

As far as "pushing for PETA" is concerned, what do you mean? The irrationality of the anti-PETA crowd is unfounded? or is it acceptable?

Drop the labels and the need to define a "true PETA member". This isnt high school.

[George W Bush]

Luigidel wrote: Quote: George W Bush wrote:

Finally, your opinions are yours. Dont expect me, a PETA member, to adopt your 'sensationalist' view against PETA.



are you kidding, seriously, a PETA member is telling me to keep my opinions to myself

dont worry, in a few years you will likely grow out of this stage, realize how silly you were and become a productive member of society, but there is no garuntee, some people continue with the disease for life


Maybe after you grow out of this phase you'll move out of your parents' house, get a job, maybe even a girlfriend, and finally get a dose of reality and the real world, But you really sound like a lost cause, so im not gnna hold out any hope.

People that dont adhere to your mindset live with their parents and need to grow up? Thats quite arrogant.
Ive probably got a better job than you, but why go there?
My progress as an adult would put you to shame - I am not deluded as you seem to be with your ASSumptions and childish insults.

[George W Bush]

OneZero wrote: www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm

Quote: From July 1998 through the end of 2004, PETA killed over 12,400 dogs, cats, and other "companion animals" -- at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. That's more than five defenseless animals every day. Not counting the dogs and cats PETA spayed and neutered, the group put to death over 85 percent of the animals it took in during 2003 alone. And its angel-of-death pattern shows no sign of changing.

www.petakillsanimals.com/article_detail.cfm?article=134

Quote: PETA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals. This includes a 2001 donation of $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front (ELF), an FBI-certified “domestic terrorist” group responsible for dozens of firebombs and death threats. During the 1990s, PETA paid $70,200 to an Animal Liberation Front (ALF) activist convicted of burning down a Michigan State University research laboratory. In his sentencing recommendation, a federal prosecutor implicated PETA president Ingrid Newkirk in that crime. And PETA vegetarian campaign coordinator Bruce Friedrich told an animal rights convention in 2001 that “blowing stuff up and smashing windows” is “a great way to bring about animal liberation.”

Well, you see .. for 25 bucks I can register a website and post anything I want too.

Such 'evidence' doesnt resonate with any subsequent judicial process. In other words, such so-called evidence is not evidence if it is not used to prosecute.

Who is prosecuting PETA?

No one?

The 'evidence' is blatant smear propaganda campaign, in that case.

Engage a civil dispute judicially, then we can talk about your 'evidence'.

[Canada_Rocks]

George W Bush wrote: OneZero wrote: www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm

Quote: From July 1998 through the end of 2004, PETA killed over 12,400 dogs, cats, and other "companion animals" -- at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. That's more than five defenseless animals every day. Not counting the dogs and cats PETA spayed and neutered, the group put to death over 85 percent of the animals it took in during 2003 alone. And its angel-of-death pattern shows no sign of changing.

www.petakillsanimals.com/article_detail.cfm?article=134

Quote: PETA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals. This includes a 2001 donation of $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front (ELF), an FBI-certified “domestic terrorist” group responsible for dozens of firebombs and death threats. During the 1990s, PETA paid $70,200 to an Animal Liberation Front (ALF) activist convicted of burning down a Michigan State University research laboratory. In his sentencing recommendation, a federal prosecutor implicated PETA president Ingrid Newkirk in that crime. And PETA vegetarian campaign coordinator Bruce Friedrich told an animal rights convention in 2001 that “blowing stuff up and smashing windows” is “a great way to bring about animal liberation.”

Well, you see .. for 25 bucks I can register a website and post anything I want too.

Such 'evidence' doesnt resonate with any subsequent judicial process. In other words, such so-called evidence is not evidence if it is not used to prosecute.

Who is prosecuting PETA?

No one?

The 'evidence' is blatant smear propaganda campaign, in that case.

Engage a civil dispute judicially, then we can talk about your 'evidence'.

The SPCA dooes the same thing. If animals cannot be adobted, they are put down. It is common practice and a limited budget allows organizations to keep animals for a specific amount of time. So yes, Peta kills animals. The same way the spca does. This isn't very shocking.

[OneZero]

But SPCA isn't quite as radical as PETA.
I'm betting you didn't go to either link and read thoroughly....

[Canada_Rocks]

OneZero wrote: But SPCA isn't quite as radical as PETA.
I'm betting you didn't go to either link and read thoroughly....

What you call "radical" I call half facts and conjecture. I don't paint all of PETA with the same brush. The SPCA preforms the same euthanasia as Peta does. That was my point in that specific post. Once again, I debunk and explain irrational hatred towards PETA.

NEXT.

[Canadian_Patriot]

If you are so all into animal rights and their survival why let your mother organization euthanize them?

[mathurin]

George W Bush wrote: OneZero wrote: www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm

Quote: From July 1998 through the end of 2004, PETA killed over 12,400 dogs, cats, and other "companion animals" -- at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. That's more than five defenseless animals every day. Not counting the dogs and cats PETA spayed and neutered, the group put to death over 85 percent of the animals it took in during 2003 alone. And its angel-of-death pattern shows no sign of changing.

www.petakillsanimals.com/article_detail.cfm?article=134

Quote: PETA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals. This includes a 2001 donation of $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front (ELF), an FBI-certified “domestic terrorist” group responsible for dozens of firebombs and death threats. During the 1990s, PETA paid $70,200 to an Animal Liberation Front (ALF) activist convicted of burning down a Michigan State University research laboratory. In his sentencing recommendation, a federal prosecutor implicated PETA president Ingrid Newkirk in that crime. And PETA vegetarian campaign coordinator Bruce Friedrich told an animal rights convention in 2001 that “blowing stuff up and smashing windows” is “a great way to bring about animal liberation.”

Well, you see .. for 25 bucks I can register a website and post anything I want too.

Such 'evidence' doesnt resonate with any subsequent judicial process. In other words, such so-called evidence is not evidence if it is not used to prosecute.

Who is prosecuting PETA?

No one?

The 'evidence' is blatant smear propaganda campaign, in that case.

Engage a civil dispute judicially, then we can talk about your 'evidence'.


ah, the old standby, refute the evidence, though it you had looked you would see sources
but here is one
http://www.greenwatch.org/search/orgdisplay.asp?Org=PET100#grant
ill post the links but if you go down it gives the IRS forms

hmm, they gave 50k to SNAP, spay neauter assistance program, i dont have problem with this program, but PETA should, they get angry that farmers castrate livestock, but not that others castrate cats, just a minor hipocracy

perhaps you missed the link on this page
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm
under the chart it says "skeptical? click here to see the proof" the words are linked to this page http://www.petakillsanimals.com/downloads/PetaKillsAnimals.pdf
which is still downloading
which is forms submitted to the virginia department of agriculture and consumer services confirming how many animals were euthanized
assuming you would counter that these forms are faked i went to the VDACS website and found the required forms
http://www.vdacs.virginia.gov/forms-pdf/ais/admin/animalrecord.pdf
the forms match almost perfectly, the differences easily explained by copying and a slight change in the years


so then, is this faked? any quick fixes, PETA kills animals

as i said, i already dislike them, you just need to see them as what they are

gogo, the SPCA performs euthanizations, but they also do not spout animal rights retoric as PETA does, its about hipocracy, not the act itself