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[Luigidel]

Quote: George W Bush wrote:

Finally, your opinions are yours. Dont expect me, a PETA member, to adopt your 'sensationalist' view against PETA.



are you kidding, seriously, a PETA member is telling me to keep my opinions to myself

dont worry, in a few years you will likely grow out of this stage, realize how silly you were and become a productive member of society, but there is no garuntee, some people continue with the disease for life


Maybe after you grow out of this phase you'll move out of your parents' house, get a job, maybe even a girlfriend, and finally get a dose of reality and the real world, But you really sound like a lost cause, so im not gnna hold out any hope.

[Luigidel]

Here's a link to another one of the comics as well.
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/downloads/reference/docs/040726_mommykills.pdf

They distribute this stuff to kids at school, along with trading cards and videos of animal abuse. Its ridiculous when our schools are becoming political brainwashing asylums for kids as young as 6, who can be potentially mentally scarred by the graphic bullsh*t PETA forcefeeds them.

[Luigidel]

Heres another one of PETA's friendly comics.
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/downloads/reference/docs/040726_mommykills.pdf

PEta distributes this crap, along with trading cards and videos to children at school behind their parents' back. Its appauling when our schools are becoming political brainwashing asylums that forcefeed this bullsh*t down our kids throats. It has been proven that graphic material such as this can mentally scar youg children, yet PETA disegards this evidence in favor of the "animal cause." The message they appear to be sending is that animals are more important than the youth of this country. Someone please correct me if i'm wrong or out of line...

[OneZero]

I cannot believe people can support PETA, who is actively trying to turn children agains their parents (through lies; how many of you had mothers that knifed little bunnies?).

Oh and hey I have fur coats if anyone wants to wear one to the next PETA protest.

[Canadian_Patriot]

I have read news article after article of scandle involving PETA. Everthing from blowing something up, fraud and even euthanizing animals.

Ingrid Newkirk is a fraud and a liar. This whole holocaust on your plate thing is ridiculus. PETA says if they had it they're way ou could not even own a gold fish in a bowl and that's bulls**t.

[mathurin]

OneZero wrote: (through lies; how many of you had mothers that knifed little bunnies?).

actually i did, to be fair my brother shot it and she just taught him how to clean it, and of course it was an adult bunny, it was tasty, we really need to start selling rabbit in stores

when she was young she raised them for sale, prolly as food, its how she bought her school clothes
OneZero wrote:
Oh and hey I have fur coats if anyone wants to wear one to the next PETA protest.
not really any PETA demonstrations in kansas, i suppose they would get laughed at too much, or maybe most of the people in my area grew up handling animals and know how stupid they are, therefore are not PETA members, though i have met a few vegans

i cant wait to live somewhere else so i can laugh at any PETA demonstrations i happen to see, though i might have to look them up just so i can be there

[George W Bush]

OneZero wrote: I cannot believe people can support PETA, who is actively trying to turn children agains their parents (through lies; how many of you had mothers that knifed little bunnies?).

Oh and hey I have fur coats if anyone wants to wear one to the next PETA protest.

If your children are suggestible to the point that PETA can get them to hate you, whats up with YOU?

The small infraction of them making comic books to proliferate their feelings against eating meat, is not enough for me to disown the fundamental philosophy of compassion for animals.

As I said before, I eat meat. That doesnt mean I get "offended" when they suggest its murder.

Finally, what is so wrong with the notion of ethically treating animals?

[mathurin]

because they stand for more than just treating animals ethically, they stand for giving rights to animals and preventing anyone from eating meat

they mean well, but are deluded

the road to hell is paved with good intentions

[Canada_Rocks]

TheGirlNextDoor wrote: George W Bush wrote: Why the vile hate against this non-profit organization?
Have you been disenfranchised by them in some way? Are you upset that their protests have WORKED and organizations like Gilette have been forced to altar their cruelty to animals standards in the name of compassion?
Are you upset that such an organization has celebrity endorsement and creates a subculture of pretty good-looking people because of the healthy way they eat?
I guess I dont understand how PETA affects you and want to understand, what seems to be, opportunity to let steam loose.

Well, let's see. They have been known to target children to get their message across.. and it's not exactly the kind of message that a reputable organization would ever give to children.

Case in point (just one of many):

[url=http://www.tbsource.com/tbLIFE/index.asp?cid=69115]So, Dan was surprised when his ten-year-old son, Daniel came home from school and told him about the videos he'd seen in the public school he attends.

'Don't Kill the Animals' made by MTV, depicted that it 'was all right to steal and go into businesses and destroy property to protect animals'. The other video that Daniel was shown came from PETA, (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals). As young Daniel puts it, 'it showed hogs getting bashed in the head with blood all over the place, and rabbits being tested in labs. Then it basically said we should all be vegetarians. Both videos did.' Concerned about what was going on in the classroom, Mr. Bottos talked to the principal, who said he had no idea the videos were being shown. No other parents had voiced concern, possibly because they didn't know what was taking place. Although young Daniel wasn't swayed by the videos he saw, he feels most of his classmates were.[/url]

And this one:

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,176739,00.html]People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, or PETA, has begun a campaign to scare children into becoming vegetarians.

The group, which formed to stop animal testing of consumer products but made its name by attacking women in fur coats with fake blood, is producing comic books that portray fathers as homicidal maniacs.

The handout, titled "Your Daddy Kills Animals," features a grinning lunatic gutting a fish, and warns kids to keep their puppies and kittens away from Dad because he's "hooked on killing."[/url]



And not to mention:

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

This content of this post reminds me of what religion does.

[OneZero]

George W Bush wrote:
If your children are suggestible to the point that PETA can get them to hate you, whats up with YOU?

Kids are very susceptible to that kind of targeting. They used cute little animals and plain language to say that their mommy kills animals. That is wrong.
Do you support what PETA did with those flyers?

Quote: The small infraction of them making comic books to proliferate their feelings against eating meat, is not enough for me to disown the fundamental philosophy of compassion for animals.

I think people are starting to realize that PETA is a little too radical. If they just opposed the eating of meat, and did it in a professional manner, I would have no problem with them.

Quote: Finally, what is so wrong with the notion of ethically treating animals?

PETA doesn't like the idea of assistance dogs (dogs that help the blind, deaf, etc.), despite the fact that these dogs are extremely effective.
PETA cares more about the animals than about people.

[Canada_Rocks]

I agree GWB. The hate is also very illogical.

They usually present the:

We hate them becasue (insert random insult here)

We hate them becasue they force people to not eat meant
Yet, they don't force anybody to do anything and I have never seen anybpdy prove that they do.

Peta are terrorists
What a stupid statement. Peta is harmless. You don't judge the majority of an organization by the actions of it's fringe group. If anybody here actually put their money where their mouth is and went to peta's webpage, they would see the 99 percent of the "action" is getting people to right letters. That's right..writing letters. How very terrorist of them...LOL

We are meant to eat meat
Well, this isn't an argument against peta as much as a statement. 'We are able to eat meat' is more appropriate.

You guys want to hate for fun.. go into P&G and bash Bush. Atleast then you have concrete examples of him being a moron.

[OneZero]

Gogo Yubari wrote:
Peta are terrorists
What a stupid statement. Peta is harmless. You don't judge the majority of an organization by the actions of it's fringe group. If anybody here actually put their money where their mouth is and went to peta's webpage, they would see the 99 percent of the "action" is getting people to right letters. That's right..writing letters. How very terrorist of them...LOL


A fringe group and supporting the group are two different things.

Oh yeah, I have another accusation... PETA KILLS ANIMALS!!!
Go ahead, try to disprove it.

[TNBiologist]

Here is the into for petition to get PETA's tax-free status pulled by the US Government.

To: The Internal Revenue Service of the United States.
Peta (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) have been making over 10 million dollars per year in donations over the last 5 years. On their website, it is shown that your donation will go to help the animals, but it has been discovered otherwise.

Peta has been granted a tax-exempt status on all donations they receive.

To be eligible for 501(c) (3) tax exemption, a group must be organized and operate exclusively for charitable purposes. Its activities cannot be illegal, or "in conflict with express statutory restrictions." And its activities must promote its main purpose.

It was recently discovered that Peta donated $1,500 to the Earth Liberation Front (ELF) to support their ìprogram activities" back in the year 2000.

ELF is considered a terrorist organization by the FBI, and they are not unjustified.

Their "program activities" include the arson of a $12 million mountaintop lodge at Vail, spiking trees in Idaho's Nez Perce National, burning down a barn and cutting fences at a wild horse facility run by the Bureau of Land Management, setting fire to a biotechnology research facility at the University of Minnesota, and numerous other destructive acts. According to the FBI's counterterrorism division, ELF has caused $43 million in damage in the past six years.

The Center for Consumer Freedom has recently discovered that Peta donated $45,000 to the "support committee" for Rodney Coronado, who was convicted of setting fire to a research facility at Michigan State University. They have also discovered that Peta donated $5,000 dollars to the committee for Josh Harper, an associate with ELF's sister organization, the Animal Liberation Front, (ALF) who also commit to violent acts.

I view these as acts of terrorism, extortion, and intimidation, and certainly do not consider them applicatory to the definition of requirements for eligibility for tax-exempt status.

We would like the IRS to please launch a review of Peta's tax exempt status, and become familiarized with the organization. They may find that Peta, as an organization, does not deserve the tax exemption they recieve.

Here, again, is the definition.

To be eligible for 501(c)(3) tax exemption, a group must be organized and operate exclusively for charitable purposes. Its activities cannot be illegal, or "in conflict with express statutory restrictions." And its activities must promote its main purpose.

Do they fit?

Petition for the review by the IRS for tax-exempt donations to Peta.

Thanks for the consideration -Jack McLarty
www.petaa.com petaa@petaa.com

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

The whole thing can be found here:
http://www.petitiononline.com/rvkptaex/petition.html

[TNBiologist]

The sad thing is that other animal interest gourps condem PETA.

National Animal Interest Alliance
http://www.naiaonline.org/body/ca_arson_terrorist(8-7-03).htm

[revolution_reversal]

George W Bush wrote: OneZero wrote: I cannot believe people can support PETA, who is actively trying to turn children agains their parents (through lies; how many of you had mothers that knifed little bunnies?).

Oh and hey I have fur coats if anyone wants to wear one to the next PETA protest.

If your children are suggestible to the point that PETA can get them to hate you, whats up with YOU?

The small infraction of them making comic books to proliferate their feelings against eating meat, is not enough for me to disown the fundamental philosophy of compassion for animals.

As I said before, I eat meat. That doesnt mean I get "offended" when they suggest its murder.

Finally, what is so wrong with the notion of ethically treating animals?

Would you stop talking you are embarrassing all animal rights activists, with you inabilty to hold a solid arguement.

Quit pushing for PETA when the obviously don't represent you.

[Canada_Rocks]

OneZero wrote: Gogo Yubari wrote:
Peta are terrorists
What a stupid statement. Peta is harmless. You don't judge the majority of an organization by the actions of it's fringe group. If anybody here actually put their money where their mouth is and went to peta's webpage, they would see the 99 percent of the "action" is getting people to right letters. That's right..writing letters. How very terrorist of them...LOL


A fringe group and supporting the group are two different things.

And semantics and an argument are 2 differen't things.

Quote: Oh yeah, I have another accusation... PETA KILLS ANIMALS!!!
Go ahead, try to disprove it.

First you would have to provide evidence for me to disprove.

[mathurin]

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

i think youll find a plethora of evidence

[Canadian_Patriot]

I said it before and i will say it again. As in terms of evidence again'st PETA there is tons and i feel that ingrid Newkirk should be in jail for life because death is too easy.

Here in Canada i have not seen the little skinny people that protest and protesting is fine however is there a need to spray paint old ladies in fur coats red or throw flour at models?

If the cause is really listened to animal testing would have been banned and it's not. Anyone who supports any of these so called animal rights organizations like PETA are being led blindly and are pawns in a much bigger plot. PETA people are violent protesters real extremists no better then the ones who burn't that embassy over a cartoon.

The first skinny **** who tries to spray paint my ass for wearing leather etc won't want what i'm bringin. The same goes for anyone really who gets agressive and i won't take s**t from anyone.

I would rather put my time and intellect towards a real cause and not to make BBQ Newkirk another $.

[revolution_reversal]

mathurin wrote: http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

i think youll find a plethora of evidence

Have you heard of the COINTEPRO program?

[mathurin]

did you spell that wrong?

COINTELPRO

tell you what, go online and find the official version of PETAs financial records, they are required to be open to the public, if you are saying that somehow the gov (which really couldnt care less about PETA as they are pretty non-violent themselves) has faked them, well thats one hell of an accusation

regardless, i dislike PETA because of their aims, they want to destroy humanity by ending its ownership and use of animals, i disagree with their agenda, so of course i dislike them already, and so does the majority of the nation, the Gov doesnt have to do anything to make PETA hated, PETA does it themselves, i hate them simply from reading the stupidity they put on their website, which is not faked or planted, anything else that exposes them as hypocrits is just icing on the cake, like a gun control advocate who carries a concealed weapon