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[George W Bush]

Why the vile hate against this non-profit organization?
Have you been disenfranchised by them in some way? Are you upset that their protests have WORKED and organizations like Gilette have been forced to altar their cruelty to animals standards in the name of compassion?
Are you upset that such an organization has celebrity endorsement and creates a subculture of pretty good-looking people because of the healthy way they eat?
I guess I dont understand how PETA affects you and want to understand, what seems to be, opportunity to let steam loose.

[Stygma]

"Arson, property destruction, burglary, and theft are acceptable crimes when used for the animal cause." (Alex Pacheco, director of PETA at the time, and its co-founder, in 1989)

Could pretty much sum up why I don't like them.

[TheGirlNextDoor]

George W Bush wrote: Why the vile hate against this non-profit organization?
Have you been disenfranchised by them in some way? Are you upset that their protests have WORKED and organizations like Gilette have been forced to altar their cruelty to animals standards in the name of compassion?
Are you upset that such an organization has celebrity endorsement and creates a subculture of pretty good-looking people because of the healthy way they eat?
I guess I dont understand how PETA affects you and want to understand, what seems to be, opportunity to let steam loose.

Well, let's see. They have been known to target children to get their message across.. and it's not exactly the kind of message that a reputable organization would ever give to children.

Case in point (just one of many):

[url=http://www.tbsource.com/tbLIFE/index.asp?cid=69115]So, Dan was surprised when his ten-year-old son, Daniel came home from school and told him about the videos he'd seen in the public school he attends.

'Don't Kill the Animals' made by MTV, depicted that it 'was all right to steal and go into businesses and destroy property to protect animals'. The other video that Daniel was shown came from PETA, (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals). As young Daniel puts it, 'it showed hogs getting bashed in the head with blood all over the place, and rabbits being tested in labs. Then it basically said we should all be vegetarians. Both videos did.' Concerned about what was going on in the classroom, Mr. Bottos talked to the principal, who said he had no idea the videos were being shown. No other parents had voiced concern, possibly because they didn't know what was taking place. Although young Daniel wasn't swayed by the videos he saw, he feels most of his classmates were.[/url]

And this one:

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,176739,00.html]People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, or PETA, has begun a campaign to scare children into becoming vegetarians.

The group, which formed to stop animal testing of consumer products but made its name by attacking women in fur coats with fake blood, is producing comic books that portray fathers as homicidal maniacs.

The handout, titled "Your Daddy Kills Animals," features a grinning lunatic gutting a fish, and warns kids to keep their puppies and kittens away from Dad because he's "hooked on killing."[/url]



And not to mention:

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

[Korimyr the Rat]

GirlNextDoor has it pegged.

Anyone who tries to scare my kids by telling them I'm a crazed killer will find out just how correct they are.

[Kindred]

Korimyr the Rat wrote: GirlNextDoor has it pegged.

Anyone who tries to scare my kids by telling them I'm a crazed killer will find out just how correct they are.


Advertisers regularly focus on children. Do you both feel equally outraged by McHappy meals? Or for that matter child advertising in general? Do you feel angered that some public schools still have Religeous Education programs? If not, it’s obviously the message its self, and not the fact it is being focused on children which you find abhorrent.

[George W Bush]

Stygma wrote: "Arson, property destruction, burglary, and theft are acceptable crimes when used for the animal cause." (Alex Pacheco, director of PETA at the time, and its co-founder, in 1989)

Could pretty much sum up why I don't like them.

Despite Alex's OPINION, there is no organization wide support of terrorism - there is encouragement for non-violent, peaceful demonstration. Had terrorism been the case, PETA would be on the same list as the ALF as a 'terrorist organisation' - (ALF = Animal Liberation Front).

[TNBiologist]

In addition to targeting children and at least the upper leadership supporting criminal acts, PETA has no basis in Biology for most of the stunts they pull. Go to any university's biology department and talk to professors or students and the vast majority will be so anti-PETA it isn't funny. If PETA wanted to do some real good they would at least use science instead of emotion to determine what course of action it takes.

[Stygma]

George W Bush wrote: Stygma wrote: "Arson, property destruction, burglary, and theft are acceptable crimes when used for the animal cause." (Alex Pacheco, director of PETA at the time, and its co-founder, in 1989)

Could pretty much sum up why I don't like them.

Despite Alex's OPINION, there is no organization wide support of terrorism - there is encouragement for non-violent, peaceful demonstration. Had terrorism been the case, PETA would be on the same list as the ALF as a 'terrorist organisation' - (ALF = Animal Liberation Front).

I'd say Alex's opinion matters quite a bit, seeing as how he's the co-founder of the organization and former chairman.

PETA financially supports members of the Animal Liberation Front.

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/2080 wrote: it gave $7,500 to Fran Stephanie Trutt, who tried to murder the president of a medical research company. It gave $5,000 to Josh Harper, who attacked Native Americans on a whale hunt by throwing smoke bombs, shooting flares, and spraying their faces with chemical fire extinguishers.

And PETA gave convicted arsonist Rodney Coronado more than $70,000. The same Coronado told hundreds of young people at American University: "I think [food producers] should appreciate that we're only targeting their property. Because frankly I think it's time to start targeting them." Just a few weeks later Newkirk called Coronado "a fine young man."

Newkirk is the president of PETA.

So it seems that they support terrorists (yes, the ALF is considered a terrorist organization) and criminals quite a bit.

[George W Bush]

Stygma wrote: George W Bush wrote: Stygma wrote: "Arson, property destruction, burglary, and theft are acceptable crimes when used for the animal cause." (Alex Pacheco, director of PETA at the time, and its co-founder, in 1989)

Could pretty much sum up why I don't like them.

Despite Alex's OPINION, there is no organization wide support of terrorism - there is encouragement for non-violent, peaceful demonstration. Had terrorism been the case, PETA would be on the same list as the ALF as a 'terrorist organisation' - (ALF = Animal Liberation Front).

I'd say Alex's opinion matters quite a bit, seeing as how he's the co-founder of the organization and former chairman.

PETA financially supports members of the Animal Liberation Front.

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/2080 wrote: it gave $7,500 to Fran Stephanie Trutt, who tried to murder the president of a medical research company. It gave $5,000 to Josh Harper, who attacked Native Americans on a whale hunt by throwing smoke bombs, shooting flares, and spraying their faces with chemical fire extinguishers.

And PETA gave convicted arsonist Rodney Coronado more than $70,000. The same Coronado told hundreds of young people at American University: "I think [food producers] should appreciate that we're only targeting their property. Because frankly I think it's time to start targeting them." Just a few weeks later Newkirk called Coronado "a fine young man."

Newkirk is the president of PETA.

So it seems that they support terrorists (yes, the ALF is considered a terrorist organization) and criminals quite a bit.

Thats funny. None of my PETA membership material supports what you insist is PETA policy.

PETA has pissed off alot of major corporations who have no care in the world about being honest regarding PETA. I wouldnt doubt if the 'evidence' found implicating PETA members found its way by the vengeful hands of upset corporations.

Notice I said PETA members. The organzation works in DC, they dont have any other motivation of conduct other than what is legally allowed. What their members do is not their issue.

Let me ask you: Should the NRA be responsible for gun murders associated with their supporters?

[mathurin]

actually i have seen the evidence before, and it comes from PETAs own financial reports, as a non-profit company it has to make them public, so out comes money given to defend ALF members


YOU want to see PETA as sane caring and intelligent individuals, they arent, but your perception will stand as long as you wish it too.

AD: we object to a fringe group pushing propaganda on our children when they are too young to now better AND behind our backs. advertising isnt propaganda, perhaps they exagerate the amount of "happy" that is in a happy meal but thats has little impact on the parents decision to buy or not. i would have to see the religious programs to decide about them. its not the message, its the method, Mcdonalds doesnt try to scare your kid into eating happy meals by saying they are going to kill your parents, using blind fear is a tactic i abhor

george bush: these are quotes from the leaders and founders of PETA, the tactics of PETA in general are those of desperation, if a group has to resort to sensationalist tactics to be heard then they are rarely saying something worthwhile.

as for the NRA. find a quote by a reasonably modern leader of the NRA (the NRA has been around for 150 years or so, try to find one in the past 30) that condones murder, murder, not self defense, or even that condones allowing real criminals to have guns legally
good luck, the NRA is about letting law abiding citizens own guns for recreation and self defense



bottom line: PETA uses senasationalistic desperation tactics to attract attention and really only has a following amonst people who are disconnected from the real world, who soon enough get connected and drop out of the program, so they have to recruit more, these people generally include

ideological communists (real communists would be dead fro speaking against the gov)
children
californians
anybody in show business
college students
college proffessors
high school students
stupid people

in the end a profile of the people in peta is about the same as a profile of terrorists, because the recruitment and attention getting tactics of the organizations are much the same the comparison is pretty good, the only difference between direct PETA actions and terror attacks, PETA puts naked women on a corner to get publicity, terrorists use bombs
both also have little worth fighting for, both want to make your decisions for you

i believe i am not alone in saying

PI$$ OFF!!!

[TheGirlNextDoor]

A.D wrote: Korimyr the Rat wrote: GirlNextDoor has it pegged.

Anyone who tries to scare my kids by telling them I'm a crazed killer will find out just how correct they are.


Advertisers regularly focus on children. Do you both feel equally outraged by McHappy meals? Or for that matter child advertising in general? Do you feel angered that some public schools still have Religeous Education programs? If not, it’s obviously the message its self, and not the fact it is being focused on children which you find abhorrent.

I believe they are an organization, much like McDonald's is, and they have final say over what is presented as advertising.

Not entirely sure, but I would like to think that maybe people would be a bit more responsible in their advertising as to ensure that they are getting their message across in a responsible and respectful manner. Something like handing out those sorts of pamphets, doesn't send any message except for one that "We'll use whatever means necessary at the expense of your children, to get ourselves some PR time." The initial message is lost, if you ask me. :?

I find ANY advertising geared toward children as being offensive. It is MY job as a parent, to monitor these things - and if I do not like the way any organization (corporate or not) goes about SOLICITING children to further their skewed message, then you may bet your last dollar that I will not support them in any way, shape or form.

[Luigidel]

In my opinion, I would have to say that PETA is little more than a group of animal's rights terrorists. For once, i can say i actually agree with everything TGND is saying, and everyone else who is speaking agaiinst PETA, you all bring up very good points. PETA is frequently out of line, and does little to change anyone's mind on anything. In fact, they have completely alienated me to the animal's rights cause with their "tactics." I refuse to even listen to their propoganda anymore, they, in my mind, have nothing useful to say, and very little, if anything, to offer to our society.

[Korimyr the Rat]

A.D wrote: Advertisers regularly focus on children. Do you both feel equally outraged by McHappy meals?

As loathesome as McDonald's is, their advertising does not attempt to make my children afraid of me.

A.D wrote: Do you feel angered that some public schools still have Religious Education programs?

Awwyeah. Get me started one of these days on the anti-family police state atrocity that is DARE. It is precisely the same kind of intolerable behavior-- a deliberate and concerted attempt to turn children against parents.

A.D wrote: If not, it’s obviously the message its self, and not the fact it is being focused on children which you find abhorrent.

The message itself is, at worst, amusingly naïve. I don't object to people telling children that animals have rights and that Bambi doesn't like being eaten. I don't even object to the fundamental errors in their understanding of ecology.

I object to telling small children that their parents are murderers.

[George W Bush]

mathurin wrote: actually i have seen the evidence before, and it comes from PETAs own financial reports, as a non-profit company it has to make them public, so out comes money given to defend ALF members


YOU want to see PETA as sane caring and intelligent individuals, they arent, but your perception will stand as long as you wish it too.

AD: we object to a fringe group pushing propaganda on our children when they are too young to now better AND behind our backs. advertising isnt propaganda, perhaps they exagerate the amount of "happy" that is in a happy meal but thats has little impact on the parents decision to buy or not. i would have to see the religious programs to decide about them. its not the message, its the method, Mcdonalds doesnt try to scare your kid into eating happy meals by saying they are going to kill your parents, using blind fear is a tactic i abhor

george bush: these are quotes from the leaders and founders of PETA, the tactics of PETA in general are those of desperation, if a group has to resort to sensationalist tactics to be heard then they are rarely saying something worthwhile.

as for the NRA. find a quote by a reasonably modern leader of the NRA (the NRA has been around for 150 years or so, try to find one in the past 30) that condones murder, murder, not self defense, or even that condones allowing real criminals to have guns legally
good luck, the NRA is about letting law abiding citizens own guns for recreation and self defense



bottom line: PETA uses senasationalistic desperation tactics to attract attention and really only has a following amonst people who are disconnected from the real world, who soon enough get connected and drop out of the program, so they have to recruit more, these people generally include

ideological communists (real communists would be dead fro speaking against the gov)
children
californians
anybody in show business
college students
college proffessors
high school students
stupid people

in the end a profile of the people in peta is about the same as a profile of terrorists, because the recruitment and attention getting tactics of the organizations are much the same the comparison is pretty good, the only difference between direct PETA actions and terror attacks, PETA puts naked women on a corner to get publicity, terrorists use bombs
both also have little worth fighting for, both want to make your decisions for you

i believe i am not alone in saying

PI$$ OFF!!!

Actually, you are 100% WRONG>

I am none of the above, as you stated. BUt lets keep it clean.

Your perspective is OPINION. Not based on any rationale attributed to 'TERRORISM' -

you also want society to look after your freaking children. NOT.
They are YOUR kids. You raise them and DONT EXPECT ME and OTHERS to put on a HAPPY MEAL face when they are around. Dont expect me to CENSOR myself just because your kids are around. I WILL NOT!

Finally, your opinions are yours. Dont expect me, a PETA member, to adopt your 'sensationalist' view against PETA.

The 'evidence' you site as being BAD, is an OPINION.
I support them with my money, if it goes to help an accused ALF member,

G-O-O-O-O-O-O-D

I'm sending an extra big donation after this.

[George W Bush]

How has PETA said YOUR PARENTS ARE MURDERERS?

Because of this message:

"MEAT IS MURDER"

It says nothing about someones parents being murder.

If you take this message LITERALLY......seek help.

[Stygma]

George W Bush wrote: ow has PETA said YOUR PARENTS ARE MURDERERS?

Because of this message:

"MEAT IS MURDER"

It says nothing about someones parents being murder.

If you take this message LITERALLY......seek help.

TheGirlNextDoor wrote:
[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,176739,00.html]People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, or PETA, has begun a campaign to scare children into becoming vegetarians.

The group, which formed to stop animal testing of consumer products but made its name by attacking women in fur coats with fake blood, is producing comic books that portray fathers as homicidal maniacs.

The handout, titled "Your Daddy Kills Animals," features a grinning lunatic gutting a fish, and warns kids to keep their puppies and kittens away from Dad because he's "hooked on killing."[/url]

[TNBiologist]

Here is the "Comic" that the PETA a$$holes are giving to children without their parents knowing.

www.fishinghurts.com/pdfs/DaddyKillsAnimals.pdf

Here is an example of the crap that is in this:
"Children will read: “Imagine that a man dangles a piece of candy in front of you. ... As you grab the candy, a huge metal hook stabs through your hand and you’re ripped off the ground. You fight to get away, but it doesn’t do any good... That would be an awful trick to play on someone, wouldn’t it?”

Having passion about animal cruelity is one thing, adopt a pet, have it fixed and donate to you local animal shelter. If you disagree with fur or eating meat thats fine but there is no need to throw paint on people wearing fur or any of the other stunts that the news happy PETA freaks have pulled.

[OneZero]

PETA is overboard, they oppose fishing and hunting so I hate them. :-D

[Luigidel]

Wow, after trying to control my hysterical laughter after reading that comic, I'm extremely outraged. It seems like a low blow to the rest of society when a supposedly peaceful organization targets kids with crap like that. As far as I'm concerned PETA, the scum of this country, even under all the liberals, can go crawl up in a hole and die. That's ridiculous. In no way does that compare to any form of McDonalds advertising, no matter how carrot chomping hippies try toi twist it. As far as I'm concerned, PETA is single-handedly defeating its own cause.

[mathurin]

George W Bush wrote: mathurin wrote: actually i have seen the evidence before, and it comes from PETAs own financial reports, as a non-profit company it has to make them public, so out comes money given to defend ALF members


YOU want to see PETA as sane caring and intelligent individuals, they arent, but your perception will stand as long as you wish it too.

AD: we object to a fringe group pushing propaganda on our children when they are too young to now better AND behind our backs. advertising isnt propaganda, perhaps they exagerate the amount of "happy" that is in a happy meal but thats has little impact on the parents decision to buy or not. i would have to see the religious programs to decide about them. its not the message, its the method, Mcdonalds doesnt try to scare your kid into eating happy meals by saying they are going to kill your parents, using blind fear is a tactic i abhor

george bush: these are quotes from the leaders and founders of PETA, the tactics of PETA in general are those of desperation, if a group has to resort to sensationalist tactics to be heard then they are rarely saying something worthwhile.

as for the NRA. find a quote by a reasonably modern leader of the NRA (the NRA has been around for 150 years or so, try to find one in the past 30) that condones murder, murder, not self defense, or even that condones allowing real criminals to have guns legally
good luck, the NRA is about letting law abiding citizens own guns for recreation and self defense



bottom line: PETA uses senasationalistic desperation tactics to attract attention and really only has a following amonst people who are disconnected from the real world, who soon enough get connected and drop out of the program, so they have to recruit more, these people generally include

ideological communists (real communists would be dead fro speaking against the gov)
children
californians
anybody in show business
college students
college proffessors
high school students
stupid people

in the end a profile of the people in peta is about the same as a profile of terrorists, because the recruitment and attention getting tactics of the organizations are much the same the comparison is pretty good, the only difference between direct PETA actions and terror attacks, PETA puts naked women on a corner to get publicity, terrorists use bombs
both also have little worth fighting for, both want to make your decisions for you

i believe i am not alone in saying

PI$$ OFF!!!

Actually, you are 100% WRONG>

I am none of the above, as you stated. BUt lets keep it clean.

Your perspective is OPINION. Not based on any rationale attributed to 'TERRORISM' -

so then describe yourself, you may not think you are one, but i am sure you are related, mostly naive disconnected people are truly that much into PETA

sure, its my opinion, backed up by logic, lets see if anybody else on the forum finds them to be in corrent

George W Bush wrote:
you also want society to look after your freaking children. NOT.
They are YOUR kids. You raise them and DONT EXPECT ME and OTHERS to put on a HAPPY MEAL face when they are around. Dont expect me to CENSOR myself just because your kids are around. I WILL NOT!


actually no, if i have kids im going to home school them, i want public channels to be within PG limits, as they currently are

its not about censoring yourself when my kids are around, its about PETA directly targeting children when their parents arent around, its reprehensible, especially when they are of this kind of objectionable nature

http://www.fishinghurts.com/pdfs/DaddyKillsAnimals.pdf


George W Bush wrote:
Finally, your opinions are yours. Dont expect me, a PETA member, to adopt your 'sensationalist' view against PETA.


are you kidding, seriously, a PETA member is telling me to keep my opinions to myself

dont worry, in a few years you will likely grow out of this stage, realize how silly you were and become a productive member of society, but there is no garuntee, some people continue with the disease for life

George W Bush wrote:
The 'evidence' you site as being BAD, is an OPINION.
I support them with my money, if it goes to help an accused ALF member,

G-O-O-O-O-O-O-D

I'm sending an extra big donation after this.
what have i heard many times from ARAs talking about how it is wrong to kill animals and that violence begets violence, yet you dont seem to subscribe to this school of thought

how about this,

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?Id=1965
pro-life groups comdemn the actions of abortion clinic bombers:
"The National Right to Life Committee unequivocally condemns any such acts of violence used by individuals regardless of their motivation," said David N. O'Steen, executive director of the nation's largest pro-life group


condone terror tactics all you want, it only shows your true vein, seems my previous comparison is apt after all