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Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Hey pro choicers- heres a novel idea- go spend 50 bucks, go to an amusement park, and ride a few roller coasters. Better yet- go bungee jumping, or hey- jump on your trampoline! Spend a week doing belly flops off the diving board!

Whoever heard of a 2 week pregnant woman dying from miscarriage complications?

Save your hard earned money, and HAVE FUN!

Better yet, take some herbs (below), mixed together, in some soups and salads- just the ones you know are safe, and eat all the soup you can handle for a couple weeks.

6-10 grams of pure ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) a day for 5 days can work as a morning after pill does, with nearly the same occurrence of results.

http://www.sisterzeus.com/vit_c_ab.html

Look, people, I am not telling anyone they should have an abortion- ok? But if you want to avoid all the trouble and expense, there are other ways.

Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

Sailor Moon wrote:
Look, people, I am not telling anyone they should have an abortion- ok? But if you want to avoid all the trouble and expense, there are other ways.
oh, like clotheshangers?

conguy · Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 28

Sailor Moon wrote: But if you want to avoid all the trouble and expense, there are other ways.

Try abstinence?

brendan101 · Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 16 Location: houston

Abstinence as in the rejection of a natural human emotion that creates psychological and physiological distress when rejected, which is what it actually is? 50 dollars to save yourself from the 100,000 dollars a child that you are not fit to take care of, cannot take care of, or do not want to take care of, seems perfectly reasonable. Any I don't know what other ways, people can get pregnant with condoms/diaphragms/the pill, nothing is 100% effective. Even abstience will lead to wilder behavior at the point at which you see sex as okay.

Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

conguy wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: But if you want to avoid all the trouble and expense, there are other ways.

Try abstinence?
Human beings need sex to stay emotionally stable.

conguy · Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 28

I am getting emotionally sick when I abstain? I dont think so. Its simple. Do not have sexual interactions unless your objective is a child. Then you will not find yourself it situations that force you to abort your child.

Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

conguy wrote: I am getting emotionally sick when I abstain? I dont think so. Its simple. Do not have sexual interactions unless your objective is a child. Then you will not find yourself it situations that force you to abort your child.
Then you must masturbate, right? Otherwise i doubt your sanity, no offense intended.

brendan101 · Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 16 Location: houston

Helena, even though you are not on my side on the issue, thank you for playing my advocate. It is difficult and unsafe to remain and abstinent, AND not masturbate. This is a serious problem now because the pro life people are typically religions and agains tmasturbation. So on a christian morality level, either you are A. crazy B. a hypocrite or C. very very lonely. If you agree with this on another personal level of morality, more power to you but im still going to be pro choice :-d

conguy · Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 28

I cannot claim to be a totally un-sexed person in my thoughts and mind, but if one can look past sex, there is a whole new world of personal sexuality. You can respect yourself and others, which I truly believe only brings you closer to the person that you love.

Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

brendan101 wrote: Helena, even though you are not on my side on the issue, thank you for playing my advocate. It is difficult and unsafe to remain and abstinent, AND not masturbate. This is a serious problem now because the pro life people are typically religions and agains tmasturbation. So on a christian morality level, either you are A. crazy B. a hypocrite or C. very very lonely. If you agree with this on another personal level of morality, more power to you but im still going to be pro choice :-d
Indeed, abstinence and lack of masturbation is tearing our world apart. Makes people too hyped up and violent, people have got to let those juices flow.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Helena` wrote: Sailor Moon wrote:
Look, people, I am not telling anyone they should have an abortion- ok? But if you want to avoid all the trouble and expense, there are other ways.
oh, like clotheshangers?

What a myth, youve fed into. Even in 1960, the director of planned parenthood said that 90% of (illegal) abortions are done by physicians in good standing.

http://www.cbrinfo.org/Resources/abortion13.html

Try again, Helena.

Conguy- Abstinence doesnt make anyone crazy, dont listen to these flaming blanket statements, theyve clearly never tried it. As I always say- dont knock it til ya tried it.. I'm abstinent too, and find my life more fulfilling, and less stressed..

I honestly dont know what all this has to do with MY thread, though.. :ot:

...And will ask for the flamers and trollers to please cease and desist.

Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

Sailor Moon wrote: Helena` wrote: Sailor Moon wrote:
Look, people, I am not telling anyone they should have an abortion- ok? But if you want to avoid all the trouble and expense, there are other ways.
oh, like clotheshangers?

What a myth, youve fed into. Even in 1960, the director of planned parenthood said that 90% of (illegal) abortions are done by physicians in good standing.

So? Abortion is the right of any mother, saying it's illegal is like saying praying in public is illegal, it's a human right, if the government outlaws it, the government is the one being illegal.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Helena` wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: Helena` wrote: Sailor Moon wrote:
Look, people, I am not telling anyone they should have an abortion- ok? But if you want to avoid all the trouble and expense, there are other ways.
oh, like clotheshangers?

What a myth, youve fed into. Even in 1960, the director of planned parenthood said that 90% of (illegal) abortions are done by physicians in good standing.

So? Abortion is the right of any mother, saying it's illegal is like saying praying in public is illegal, it's a human right, if the government outlaws it, the government is the one being illegal.

Was slavery a human right?

Just because its legal doesnt make it a right.

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

conguy wrote: I am getting emotionally sick when I abstain? I dont think so. Its simple. Do not have sexual interactions unless your objective is a child. Then you will not find yourself it situations that force you to abort your child. The true goal of pro-life moralistic control of others' sex-life is thus exposed.

Gdawg007 · Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Posts: 15337 Location: Albuquerque, NM

conguy wrote: I cannot claim to be a totally un-sexed person in my thoughts and mind, but if one can look past sex, there is a whole new world of personal sexuality. You can respect yourself and others, which I truly believe only brings you closer to the person that you love.

Not every form of sexual expression has to involve vaginal intercourse. People can choose to do what they want, and your viewpoints on sex and abstinance are fine, but you can't expect everyone else to be like you. And you certainly can't legislate what you think is right just to satisfy your own beliefs. There has to be a benefit to society, and right now, providing safe means for aboriton if needed suits society's needs.

Gdawg007 · Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Posts: 15337 Location: Albuquerque, NM

Sailor Moon wrote: Helena` wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: Helena` wrote: Sailor Moon wrote:
Look, people, I am not telling anyone they should have an abortion- ok? But if you want to avoid all the trouble and expense, there are other ways.
oh, like clotheshangers?

What a myth, youve fed into. Even in 1960, the director of planned parenthood said that 90% of (illegal) abortions are done by physicians in good standing.

So? Abortion is the right of any mother, saying it's illegal is like saying praying in public is illegal, it's a human right, if the government outlaws it, the government is the one being illegal.

Was slavery a human right?

Just because its legal doesnt make it a right.

Slavery was forcing people to live a way that another dictated. If you think "pro-life" is akin to being anti-slavery, you're mistaken. Pro-choice is, as it reserves rights to the individual.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Gdawg007 wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: Helena` wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: Helena` wrote: Sailor Moon wrote:
Look, people, I am not telling anyone they should have an abortion- ok? But if you want to avoid all the trouble and expense, there are other ways.
oh, like clotheshangers?

What a myth, youve fed into. Even in 1960, the director of planned parenthood said that 90% of (illegal) abortions are done by physicians in good standing.

So? Abortion is the right of any mother, saying it's illegal is like saying praying in public is illegal, it's a human right, if the government outlaws it, the government is the one being illegal.

Was slavery a human right?

Just because its legal doesnt make it a right.

Slavery was forcing people to live a way that another dictated. If you think "pro-life" is akin to being anti-slavery, you're mistaken. Pro-choice is, as it reserves rights to the individual.

I have to disagree. See, since slavery was putting a low value on human life, and using choice to trump that life, then it was very much the same as abortion.

All humans are people, semantics aside- and as long as human rights exist, there should be no existence of "possession" rights for one human life over another.

A woman, however, possesses her body- which is the shell feature in the abortion debate. The developing human baby inside, of course, is prone to any damages done to the shell (the womans body itself).. however- to peel open the shell in an obvious attempt to kill the human inside, the baby, is not in keeping with human rights.

I have said before, if the woman goes out and rides a roller coaster or goes bungee jumping, or something, then it is the shell (her body) that is being directly affected. It is her body, ad she has the right to govern her body as she sees fit- the shell that contains the other life, like I said, but the life inside is not being directly manipulated, or forced to die, on grounds of possession.

The supreme Court was wrong about slavery, and its wrong about abortion, as well- surgical abortion, at least. The other forms, with the exception of a saline injection, I cannot argue are not autonomous, but forcing another life to die inside of you, is nowhere near autonomous.

galba · Joined: 23 Nov 2005 Posts: 675 Location: Texas

steen wrote: conguy wrote: I am getting emotionally sick when I abstain? I dont think so. Its simple. Do not have sexual interactions unless your objective is a child. Then you will not find yourself it situations that force you to abort your child. The true goal of pro-life moralistic control of others' sex-life is thus exposed.
We don't care what you do, but if someone gets pregnant, that person has no right to kill their child. Most of us pro-lifers believe that abstenence is a good way of avoiding pregnancy.

SpellJammer · Joined: 19 Feb 2006 Posts: 84

Helena wrote: So? Abortion is the right of any mother,
How dare you call yourself a Pagan? What about the rule of three? The purpose of all living things? Karma?

Poser..

conguy · Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 28

Gdawg007 wrote: Not every form of sexual expression has to involve vaginal intercourse. People can choose to do what they want, and your viewpoints on sex and abstinance are fine, but you can't expect everyone else to be like you. And you certainly can't legislate what you think is right just to satisfy your own beliefs. There has to be a benefit to society, and right now, providing safe means for aboriton if needed suits society's needs.

Society would benefit if there wasn't even an issue about unplanned pregancy. If people didn't go and get sexed-up every month we wouldn't have problems like this!